the yonkou (kaido and big mum) in regards to forces were always close to wb/roger
people forget it was revealed there was an old set of pseudo yonkou , WB , Shiki, big mum and roger
roger smack dab in his prime avoided fighting big mum intentionally,snuck and stole her poneglyph
shiki almost likey defeats roger if roger doesn't get lucky in the edd war, and again in his prime, even with his luck the battle is called a draw and it's called even
being a yonkou is not just strength, it's a component but there's information and crew gap that's important
Dude, at this point you're ignoring obvious portrayal involved here lol.
- Why did BM have to single out WB, when mentioning about the alliance with Elbaf?
- Why did pretty much everyone single out WB amongst the Yonkos (in the same way they single out Kaido since WB's death, though to a lesser extend)?
- Why did Doflamingo say WB could've taken the throne whenever he wanted? Note: he didn't say 20 years back, but the implication is WB could've taken the throne whenever he wanted during his reign.
- Why did everyone call him the strongest pirate? Not, not just the strongest man, but also the strongest pirate. The argument that you have to beat him to gain the title is an assumption. Who did WB beat to get this title? For all intents and purposes, it is simply Oda's way of telling us who was the strongest pirate then.
- Why did WB have the highest bounty, inspite of him being the least violent amongst them, and involved in no real criminal organizations? Since, as we know, bounty is a function of your strength and your criminality.
At the very least you have to agree that portrayal heavily favours him here.
There isn't a single area where Kaido has
portrayal above WB.
Prime WB pirates, even discounting Ace and considering times when WB was closer to his peak, had:
- WB in his mid-late 50s: stronger than Kaido
- Marco: stronger than King
- Vista, Jozu: stronger than Queen
- Thatch: about same level as Jack
- BB (without fruit): somewhere in commander tier
- Other commanders who are Tobiroppo tier by portrayal
Look at this lineup. WB pirates would wash the BP, it wouldn't even be close! You think he didn't invade Wano out of fear?
As to why WB didn't invade Wano, the reasoning was pretty clearly mentioned.
It was because Oden was already dead, and invading Wano and killing Kaido will accomplish nothing. Yea, he would be able to beat BP. For what? Oden is already dead. Cost would still be several of his men dying, and WB doesn't treat his men as dispersible footsoldiers.
WB is someone who went to war in a battle with marines to save Ace, when he knew he and his crew would be outmatched. WB fears noone.
This would be the same reason Roger didn't outright declare war on BMP.
Why do that, when he can sneak and get the poneglyph without much issues?
Roger had peak Rayleigh and Scopper behind him. In an outright fight, Roger pirates would beat BMP inspite of numerical disadvantage, the quality difference is too much. He was at a disadvantage in sea against Shiki, because well, if your ship gets sunk in sea, you're dead lol. Won't be an issue in land.
kaido also wasn't quite a yonkou at the time of roger's death and shiki had been defeated, wb was the next man up and strongest man alive i will give him that , but he wasn't interested
Sure. But he was quite close to his peak.
The dude was 39 when he fought Oden. Kaido had almost peaked by then. Even if he's stronger now, it isn't by much.
Oden, WB's right hand man, was strong enough to give him a run for his money. And was so strong that Kaido still reveres him.
i think there's floor of strength to be pk, but really the differentiator is having a voice of all things user and an information advantage really , roger was privy to things the other yonou didn't know and it's not like he beat them to become pk
I can agree there. PK should have a floor, which is satisfiable by someone of Yonko level in strength. And that it's more about who gets info and so on.
But it is also true that Oda went out of his way and had specially portrayed Roger and WB, inspite of this fact about PK (plus, PK is also the one who is most free. The strongest are usually the most free).
Roger and WB being stronger has a lot to do with various other portrayals involving them.
For starters, both had Yonko level right hand men in (prime) Rayleigh and Oden.
Narrative that Roger ruled the seas, with only WB as his rival, ever since Rocks was taken down.
Various other portrayals I mentioned above.
WB, in his old age and far from his peak (ignoring sickness), having conqueror's haki on par with Shanks'
nothing implies that roger/wb are unnatural monsters like kaido/big mum doesn't mean it was the end of it
also even on meds wb had limits , his body was still feeling it
True. And I recognized it. Roger and WB are humans with potential exceeding everyone. But at the end of the day, they are humans and can be hurt by fodder if not for their haki.
Still, he was able to go on for hours fighting Ace.
This does suggest that he can fight fine at least for hours after his meds are off.
WB in Marineford was off his meds
for days, which was why he couldn't use conqueror's and observation haki.
