One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Aaaa]

^ I wouldn't say Zoro is minimally stronger than Sanji. Tbh I think the difference between Zoro and Sanji is bigger than Zoro and Luffy as of now. ACoC is a huge buff in both attack and defence. Sure Zoro can’t maintain it that long but people forgetting Luffy couldn’t when he first used it too, it’s only after he healed up and came back he was miles better at using it and I’d imagine it’d be the same for Zoro once he heals up too

 

[Pirate Queen]

^ I wouldn't say Zoro is minimally stronger than Sanji. Tbh I think the difference between Zoro and Sanji is bigger than Zoro and Luffy as of now. ACoC is a huge buff in both attack and defence. Sure Zoro can’t maintain it that long but people forgetting Luffy couldn’t when he first used it too, it’s only after he healed up and came back he was miles better at using it and I’d imagine it’d be the same for Zoro once he heals up too

Yeah idk.

I'm somewhere of the opinion that Luffy is able to Mid-Dif Zoro(especially now)

Whereas Zoro and Sanji would be a High/Extreme-Dif in Zoro's favor

I wonder how well Sanji can tank ACoC with his Exoskeleton.

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Sanji can probably tank Luffy's ACoC better than Zoro's but when utilized with Internal Damage Luffy has better offensive output against a Tankier Sanji

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I think kaido would have beaten luffy regardless

 

[McNuss]

Kaido, Charlotte Linlin (&Prometheus, Hera & Napoleon), Monkey D. Garp, Sakazuki
Kuzan
Borsalino, Issho
Monkey D. Luffy
Roronoa Zoro, Trafalgar D. Water Law, Yamato
Charlotte Katakuri, Marco
Alber
Eustass Kid
Killer
Jinbe, Capone Bege (&the Firetank Pirates)
Vinsmoke Sanji, Donquixote Doflamingo
Queen
Jack
Charlotte Perospero (new)
Scratchmen Apoo, Ulti
Vergo
Pica
X Drake, Who's Who, Smoker, Niwatori
Franky, Basil Hawkins, Black Maria (&Wanyudo)
Nico Robin, Sasaki
Cavendish (&Farul), Pekoms, Pedro(new), Shishilian(new)
Brook, Sai, Page One
Charlotte Oven, Charlotte Daifuku
Nami (& Zeus), Elizabello II, Kyros
Monet, Caesar Clown
Inbi, Fuga, Zanki, Jaki, Goki, Rokki, Nangi, Hatcha, Kunyun, Juki
Trebol
Bartolomeo
Diamante
Tony Tony Chopper
Dellinger, Gladius, Senor Pink, Lao G
Bellamy
PX-5, PX-7
Hajrudin, Ideo, Blue Gilly, Hack, Jean Ango, Surume
Baby 5, Stansen, Road, Goldberg, Gerd, Machvise, Kelly Funk (&Bobby Funk)
Usopp, Chinjao, Buffalo, Albion
Sugar
Leo, Orlumbus
Giolla
Suleiman, Gambia, Boo, Abdullah, Jeet, Dagama, Tank Lepanto, Riku Doldo III, Mummy, Meadows, Damask, Rolling Logan, Acilia, Spartan, Doughty, Gyro
Rebecca
Viola
Nefeltari Vivi (&Carue)
Kyuin
Kabu, Bian,
Bomba, Ranpo
Inhel, Cotton, Wicca, Baxcon, Daikon, Flapper, Bobomba, Mauji, Nubon, Pellini, Chao, Eikon, Chicory, Tarara
Hatchan
Hammond, Kasagoba, Harisenbon
Demaro Black
Columbus, Bariete(new), Miyagi(new) Tristan(new), Monjii (new)
Ucy, Agyo, Uhho
Hera
Disco, Gatz, Gancho, Mansherry, Grabar, Esta, Milo, Aremo Ganmi, Mukkashimi Tower, Tegata Ringana, Shin Detamaruka, Shin Jaiya, Manjaro, Chocolat, Mounblutain, Drip, Cocoa, Turco, Hody Jones, Dosun, Zeo, Daruma, Ikaros Much, Hyouzou
Mario, Nora Gitsune

Added some Minks...where would you place Inu/Neko in my Tierlist. They must be weaker than Perospero, but I'd already find Perospero vs Ulti or Apoo difficult to decide...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Added some Minks...where would you place Inu/Neko in my Tierlist. They must be weaker than Perospero, but I'd already find Perospero vs Ulti or Apoo difficult to decide...

The minks are stronger than perospero , they just faced him when they were weak and tired from taking a beating from kaido
Perospero nearly lost to suulong Wanda and carrot , meanwhile jack defeated an entire army , dozens of minks who were on par and even stronger than them and both minks roughly scale to jack , in suulong form they’re both considerably above YC3 level , probably bordering YC2 level

 

[M3J]

I think Luffy's significantly stronger than Zoro and Sanji by now, while Zoro seems like he'd win at least 7 out of 10 fights. I don't think Sanji could recover from the slashes the way he has with Queen's attacks, unless bones can reconnect or regenerate like Piccolo.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think kaido would have beaten luffy regardless

After a much tougher fight, I do agree. Kaido would have eventually won with extreme-difficulty.

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The minks are stronger than perospero , they just faced him when they were weak and tired from taking a beating from kaido
Perospero nearly lost to suulong Wanda and carrot , meanwhile jack defeated an entire army , dozens of minks who were on par and even stronger than them and both minks roughly scale to jack , in suulong form they’re both considerably above YC3 level , probably bordering YC2 level

Pero is one of those characters that are so hard to pinpoint

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I think Luffy's significantly stronger than Zoro and Sanji by now, while Zoro seems like he'd win at least 7 out of 10 fights. I don't think Sanji could recover from the slashes the way he has with Queen's attacks, unless bones can reconnect or regenerate like Piccolo.

7/10 seems fair.

I don't think recover is the right word.

I think all but Zoro strongest attacks Sanji could tanks with Exoskeleton+CoA

Ashura and 103 Mercies would instantly take out Sanji. Where as Zoro could most likely tank AT LEAST 1 Ifirit Jamble. 2 I'm sure takes Zoro out.

Zoro's issue would come when Sanji displays a degree of speed with which he cannot keep up with. Reaction speed is something Zoro hardly struggles with but Sanji is probably one of the top 5 fastest people in the verse right now

 

[Crimson Ice]

I think kaido would have beaten luffy regardless

Yeah, Kaido is the real deal.

 

[McNuss]

The minks are stronger than perospero , they just faced him when they were weak and tired from taking a beating from kaido
Perospero nearly lost to suulong Wanda and carrot , meanwhile jack defeated an entire army , dozens of minks who were on par and even stronger than them and both minks roughly scale to jack , in suulong form they’re both considerably above YC3 level , probably bordering YC2 level

He kicked both Wanda's and Carrot's asses with ease.

They aren't roughly as strong as Jack and he would have defeated both of them had they not retreated every 12h.

The reason why Perospero is below Jack is that a lot if high Tiers (remaining high tier Charlottes, most of the Marines, the other Scabbards, all of Revos, CP0 Blackbeard and Red Hairs) are still missing in my list.

I am thinking more about Inu/Neko/Peros/Ulti/Apoo than Jack.

If you can look past the emotionalized presentation, all of the Scabbards feats are not that great, despite plenty of presentation.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Yeah, Kaido is the real deal.

People say:

If it's 1 on 1. ALWAYS BET ON...

 

[grey matter]

At this point, is there is any doubt that Kaido is the strongest pirate alive?

The dominance he's shown as a villain hasn't been seen since Crocodile. Even surpassed that dominance, by far.

 

[Urek Mazino]

Yeah, Kaido was getting tired but he was having fun while Luffy was fighting for his life. Even if Luffy landed that last attack he would still lose...

 

[Zehahaha]

At this point, is there is any doubt that Kaido is the strongest pirate alive?

The dominance he's shown as a villain hasn't been seen since Crocodile. Even surpassed that dominance, by far.

Well yes, we have yet to see Shanks go all out. So his status as the strongest pirate alive is not yet confirmed. I do agree tho that we haven't seen a villain dominate Luffy this badly since Crocodile

 

[goldb]

Not just Luffy. Kaido has given nearly everyone the business this arc. We've not seen a foe fight so many opponents like this since Whitebeard at Marineford. His reputation definitely wasn't just hype; if the plot for the raid wasn't over in the same day, Kaido really looks like he could fight for days on end.

 

[Rein Avara]

With Luffy I understand why he's been passing out so much, he's been consistently eating conqueror haki attacks. Like he's taken a shit ton of damage this arc.

 

[M3J]

7/10 seems fair.

I don't think recover is the right word.

I think all but Zoro strongest attacks Sanji could tanks with Exoskeleton+CoA

Ashura and 103 Mercies would instantly take out Sanji. Where as Zoro could most likely tank AT LEAST 1 Ifirit Jamble. 2 I'm sure takes Zoro out.

Zoro's issue would come when Sanji displays a degree of speed with which he cannot keep up with. Reaction speed is something Zoro hardly struggles with but Sanji is probably one of the top 5 fastest people in the verse right now

Well, I was thinking about limb or body part being severed. Can he recover from t hat somehow? THat'd be the difference maker, honestly.

oh that is true, and as long as Zoro can't find a way to react, it'll probably be in Sanji's favor for the most part. The question would then come down to endurance and durability, as both can fight for a long time and tank damage.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

He kicked both Wanda's and Carrot's asses with ease.

They aren't roughly as strong as Jack and he would have defeated both of them had they not retreated every 12h.

The reason why Perospero is below Jack is that a lot if high Tiers (remaining high tier Charlottes, most of the Marines, the other Scabbards, all of Revos, CP0 Blackbeard and Red Hairs) are still missing in my list.

I am thinking more about Inu/Neko/Peros/Ulti/Apoo than Jack.

If you can look past the emotionalized presentation, all of the Scabbards feats are not that great, despite plenty of presentation.

TO QUOTE PEROSPERO , carrot and wanda had a great chance against him , just 2 suulong minks against him, he credited their loss to the moon going

this is jack who is roughly at par with inu/neko and ashura , steamrolling dozens of suulong minks at par or stronger than wanda/carrot

Well yes, we have yet to see Shanks go all out. So his status as the strongest pirate alive is not yet confirmed. I do agree tho that we haven't seen a villain dominate Luffy this badly since Crocodile

I can't see shanks being more durable, having more stamina, raw strength or the versatility of kaido , I can't see him being that much better at the 3 hakis than kaido

 

[LaGOAT]

Idc if luffy end up beating kaido he is till weaker than kaido overall

 

[M3J]

I honestly agree with this, which is why I think it's important for him to take on Big Mom or another Emperor alone. If nothing else, it'd at least imply he has a chance to beat Kaidou one-on-one.

 

[grey matter]

TO QUOTE PEROSPERO , carrot and wanda had a great chance against him , just 2 suulong minks against him, he credited their loss to the moon going

this is jack who is roughly at par with inu/neko and ashura , steamrolling dozens of suulong minks at par or stronger than wanda/carrot

I can't see shanks being more durable, having more stamina, raw strength or the versatility of kaido , I can't see him being that much better at the 3 hakis than kaido

Well, Perospero would've won anyway. But yeah, the dude is nowhere close to as strong as Jack.
Jack solo'd a bunch of stronger sulong minks.


Shanks is probably a lot better in all three haki thought.
As of now, saying Shanks > Kaido is pure headcanon and baseless. After what has been said about Kaido, as well as his feats in the current arc.
But, Shanks certainly has the hype. Depends on what Oda is planning for him in the future.

He kicked both Wanda's and Carrot's asses with ease.

They aren't roughly as strong as Jack and he would have defeated both of them had they not retreated every 12h.

The reason why Perospero is below Jack is that a lot if high Tiers (remaining high tier Charlottes, most of the Marines, the other Scabbards, all of Revos, CP0 Blackbeard and Red Hairs) are still missing in my list.

I am thinking more about Inu/Neko/Peros/Ulti/Apoo than Jack.

If you can look past the emotionalized presentation, all of the Scabbards feats are not that great, despite plenty of presentation.

The fact that Jack couldn't beat each of them in 12 hours, it suggests that the power level difference VERY low. This is the obvious implication here.
And yes, Jack does come out better, because he was fighting non stop while Cat and Dog were switching.

If Jack is 100, base Cat/Dog are 98 or 99

Sulong Cat/Dog would be on the upper ends of YC2 tier. The boost from Sulong transformations is pretty high. Look at what it did to a fodder like Carrot in the WCI arc