One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[BoyNextDoor]

the author confirmed a pirate king level this chapter. luffy manhandled kaidou like he's his damn son. you cant do that to people on your level. he's a whole tier below luffy now.

 

[Nie Li]

I would wait until the fight is over to say Luffy is on a whole new tier.

He does seem to be above Kaido with G5, but we've barely seen a couple pages of a confused/surprised Kaido being slammed around. When Kaido finally goes down in a chapter or two we can tell for sure just how wide the gap is between them. There's also the possibility of Kaido having saved his own awakening for this moment.

 

[Pirate Queen]

the author confirmed a pirate king level this chapter. luffy manhandled kaidou like he's his damn son. you cant do that to people on your level. he's a whole tier below luffy now.

The *AUDACITY*

 

[really_jonny]

My ranking updated (only alive and active, with skills shown or some parameter given like Ben Beckham):

God: IM
Top Emperor: Teach (hype)>Luffy Awakening
Mid Emperor: Kaido> Mihawk (hype)/Shanks>Big Mom>Dragon>Akainu/Aokiji
Low Emperor: Kizaru/Fujitora/Ryokugyu/Law/Kid>Zoro/Ben Beckham (vivre card hype)/Shilliew/Yamato/Sabo/Nine Red Scabbards

Top Commander: Marco/Sanji>King/Katakuri/Vista> Magellan (updated)
Mid Comander: Cracker>Queen>Doflamingo/Ace/Kuma>Jinbei/Jozu/Killer
Low Comander: Jack/Smothie, Red Scabbard, Ivankov, Crocodile (updated), Hancock... ????

Slight difference between tiers

Law, Zoro and Kid very soon will be Yonko level. Among all Tier Emperor, Law has the most powerful attacks in my opinion.

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I would wait until the fight is over to say Luffy is on a whole new tier.

He does seem to be above Kaido with G5, but we've barely seen a couple pages of a confused/surprised Kaido being slammed around. When Kaido finally goes down in a chapter or two we can tell for sure just how wide the gap is between them. There's also the possibility of Kaido having saved his own awakening for this moment.

I don't believe Kaido has awakening. This doesn't make sense, as he would be way above Big Mom, by the way they have the same power level, but Kaido has much more skill. That is, Kaido is already able to beat Big Mom, with an awakening he would be well above her. This is an imbalance among the Yonko, as neither tries to conquer the other.

 

[Nie Li]

I don't believe Kaido has awakening. This doesn't make sense, as he would be way above Big Mom, by the way they have the same power level, but Kaido has much more skill. That is, Kaido is already able to beat Big Mom, with an awakening he would be well above her. This is an imbalance among the Yonko, as neither tries to conquer the other.

The whole balance thing is iffy anyway. And it's also surprising that Big Mom was defeated without showing an awakening herself.

What I mean by iffy is... do they even know they're equally matched? It feels like Big Mom and Kaido haver never clashed ever since the Rocks times. Neither had Kaido clashed with Whitebeard not even once. Katakuri was undefeated. King was undefeated. The All-Stars were entirely unfamiliar with Marco. Big Mom knew about Marco but Marco was already around well before the Yonko Era.

Kaido could well be a lot above Big Mom in a fight. To me, he has already demonstrated that he is anyway. They're only equally matched in haki and raw physical strength.
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Regarding your ranking, it looks pretty okay, btw. I would move Izou to at least mid commander after his GREAT performance.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

My ranking updated (only alive and active, with skills shown or some parameter given like Ben Beckham):

God: IM
Top Emperor: Teach (hype)>Luffy Awakening
Mid Emperor: Kaido> Mihawk (hype)/Shanks>Big Mom>Dragon>Akainu/Aokiji
Low Emperor: Kizaru/Fujitora/Ryokugyu/Law/Kid>Zoro/Ben Beckham (vivre card hype)/Shilliew/Yamato/Sabo/Nine Red Scabbards

Top Commander: Marco/Sanji>King/Katakuri/Vista> Magellan (updated)
Mid Comander: Cracker>Queen>Doflamingo/Ace/Kuma>Jinbei/Jozu/Killer
Low Comander: Jack/Smothie, Red Scabbard, Ivankov, Crocodile (updated), Hancock... ????

Slight difference between tiers

Law, Zoro and Kid very soon will be Yonko level. Among all Tier Emperor, Law has the most powerful attacks in my opinion.

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I don't believe Kaido has awakening. This doesn't make sense, as he would be way above Big Mom, by the way they have the same power level, but Kaido has much more skill. That is, Kaido is already able to beat Big Mom, with an awakening he would be well above her. This is an imbalance among the Yonko, as neither tries to conquer the other.

There is no way in hell the nine red scabbards are above marco lmao or same level as law , unless you’re ranking their collective as a force then yeah maybe they could match up with one but max tier tbeyre around YC3 level individually

 

[really_jonny]

@Lord Traffy Law

Obviously at Tier Low Emperor I considered all the "Nine Red Sbabbards" together. Individually are Tier Low Commander as "Red Sbabbard".

I even thought about putting all 9 at the top of Tier YC1.

 

[McNuss]

Shirahoshi (&Megalo and all the Sea Kings)
Kaido, Charlotte Linlin (&Prometheus, Hera & Napoleon), Monkey D. Garp, Sakazuki, Shanks, Marshall D. Teach
Kuzan (&Camel)
Borsalino, Issho
Silvers Rayleigh
Monkey D. Luffy
Roronoa Zoro, Trafalgar D. Water Law, Yamato
Charlotte Katakuri, Marco
Alber
Magellan
Eustass Kid
Killer, Charlotte Smoothie
Jinbe, Capone Bege (&the Firetank Pirates)
Vinsmoke Sanji, Donquixote Doflamingo
Queen, PX-0
Jack, Dorry, Broggy
Charlotte Cracker
Charlotte Perospero
Scratchmen Apoo, Ulti, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Ashura Doji, Kawamatsu
Vergo, Emporio Ivankov, Urouge (new)
Pica
Charlotte Snack (new)
X Drake, Who's Who, Smoker, Niwatori
Franky, Basil Hawkins, Black Maria (&Wanyudo), Charlotte Newshi (& his Decuplet Siblings) (new)
Nico Robin, Sasaki
Cavendish (&Farul), Pekoms, Pedro, Shishilian
Brook, Sai, Page One
Charlotte Oven, Charlotte Daifuku, Aladine
Nami (& Zeus), Elizabello II, Kyros, Charlotte Bavarois (new)
Monet, Caesar Clown, Nola, Charlotte Amande (new)
Inbi, Fuga, Zanki, Jaki, Goki, Rokki, Nangi, Hatcha, Kunyun, Juki, Laboon, King Baum (new)
Charlotte Citron (new), Charlotte Cinnamon (new)
Trebol, Charlotte Brûlée (new)
Bartolomeo
Diamante, Inazuma
Tony Tony Chopper
Charlotte Opera
Dellinger, Gladius, Senor Pink, Lao G
Bellamy, Charlotte Counter, Charlotte Cadenza, Charlotte Cabaletta, Charlotte Gala
PX-5, PX-7
Hannyabal, Sadi, Charlotte Mont-d'Or, Boa Sandersonia, Boa Marigold
Hajrudin, Ideo, Blue Gilly, Hack, Jean Ango, Surume, Minotarurus, Minozebra, Minokoala, Minorhinoceros, Minochihuahua, Bobbin, Charlotte Galette (new), Charlotte Yuen (new)
Baby 5, Stansen, Road, Goldberg, Gerd, Machvise, Kelly Funk (&Bobby Funk), Wadatsumi
Usopp, Chinjao, Buffalo, Albion, Fukaboshi, Charlotte Kato (new), Charlotte Tablet (new)
Sugar, Neptune (&Hoe), Vander Decken IX
Leo, Orlumbus, Ryuboshi, Manboshi
Giolla, Perona, Ankoro
Suleiman, Gambia, Boo, Abdullah, Jeet, Dagama, Tank Lepanto, Riku Doldo III, Mummy, Meadows, Damask, Rolling Logan, Acilia, Spartan, Doughty, Gyro, Paulie, Charlotte Mascarpone (new), Charlotte Joscarpone (new)
Rebecca, Viola, Nefeltari Vivi (&Karoo), Charlotte Flambe (new)
Dalton, Kureha, Chaka, Pell, Braham, Kamakiri, Gan Fall (&Pierre), Charlotte Pudding (&Nitro and Rabyan) (new)
Wapol, Shoujou, Peeply Lulu, Tilestone, Yokozuna, Charlotte Lola, Charlotte Chiffon,
Kyuin, Igaram, Genbo, Zambai, Iceburg (&Tyrannosaurus), Charlotte Mash (new)
Kabu, Bian, Raki, Mozu, Kiwi, Diesel (new)
Bomba, Ranpo
Inhel, Cotton, Wicca, Baxcon, Daikon, Flapper, Bobomba, Mauji, Nubon, Pellini, Chao, Eikon, Chicory, Tarara
Hatchan, Masira, Conis (&Su)
Pound (new)
Mont Blanc Cricket, Zeff
Hammond, Kasagoba, Harisenbon, Koza
Demaro Black, Curly Dadan, Charlotte Cornstarch (new)
Columbus, Bariete, Miyagi, Tristan, Monjii
Ucy, Agyo, Uhho
Hera, McKinley, Minister of the Right
Mr. 9, Miss Monday, Kiev, Tamagon, Risky Brothers
Patty, Carne, Boodle (&Chouchou), Farafra, Erik, Kokoro, Dogra, Magra, Ripper, Minister of the Left
Charlotte De-Chat, Charlotte Wiro, Charlotte Wafers, Charlotte Anglais, Rokkaku
Johnny, Yosaku, Mounblutain, Genzo
Disco, Gatz, Gancho, Mansherry, Grabar, Esta, Milo, Aremo Ganmi, Mukkashimi Tower, Tegata Ringana, Shin Detamaruka, Shin Jaiya, Manjaro, Chocolat, Drip, Cocoa, Turco, Hody Jones, Dosun, Zeo, Daruma, Ikaros Much, Hyouzou, Charlotte Anana, Charlotte Dolce, Charlotte Dragée, Charlotte Normande, Woop Slap, Makino, Rika, Poro, Gaimon, Sarfunkel, Piiman, Tamanegi, Ninjin, Kaya, Merry, Nako, Nojiko, Chabo, Ipponmatsu, Ipponume, Kinderella, Nefertari Cobra, Terracotta, Maidy, Kappa, Toto, Amazon, Pagaya, Shandia Chief, Aisa, Tonjit (&Shelly), Chimney (&Gonbe), Bimine, Marumieta, Yamenahare, Shyarly, Camie (&Pappag), Ishilly, Kairen, Hiramera, Seira, Mero, Lulis, Adele, Fillonce, Sora, Octopako, Ichika, Nika, Sanka, Yonka, Yonka Two, Junan, Den, Maria Napole
Mario, Nora Gitsune, Matsuge, Cocox, Usagihebi, Lionbuta

Added some more Charlottes. Will edit this post tommorow and hopefully finish WCI.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I know it's too early but here is my go on top 5(from all who showed powers):

1.Luffy g5
2. Kaidou/Wb/roger
3. BM/akainu/oden
4. Katakuri/aokiji
5. Law/kidd/doflamingo
Wildcard: blackbeard

Don't you think you're jumping the gun with Luffy a little bit?

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 26, 2022, Original Post Date: Mar 26, 2022 ---

Category	Luffy	Yamato	Zoro	Sanji
Power	10	7.5	7.5	6.0
Speed	10	8	6.5	9.5
Durability	9.0	8.5	8.0	8.5
Stamina	9.0	8	8.5	6
Skill	9.0	9	9	9
Haki	9.5	8	7.0	7
Total	56.5	49	46.5	46

 

[Bandit99]

My boy thinks that Yamato is being set up to replace zoro for a while cos he’s gonna be in a coma for a long time after this arc (grim reaper thing)

 

[really_jonny]

I'm sad for Zoro. It will likely be inactive in the next arc. Nor was it necessary for the Hakai to have dealt so much damage that he turned into a mummy with 200 broken bones.

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The whole balance thing is iffy anyway. And it's also surprising that Big Mom was defeated without showing an awakening herself.

What I mean by iffy is... do they even know they're equally matched? It feels like Big Mom and Kaido haver never clashed ever since the Rocks times. Neither had Kaido clashed with Whitebeard not even once. Katakuri was undefeated. King was undefeated. The All-Stars were entirely unfamiliar with Marco. Big Mom knew about Marco but Marco was already around well before the Yonko Era.

Kaido could well be a lot above Big Mom in a fight. To me, he has already demonstrated that he is anyway. They're only equally matched in haki and raw physical strength.
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Regarding your ranking, it looks pretty okay, btw. I would move Izou to at least mid commander after his GREAT performance.

Everything you said makes sense, but I would hate it so much. If Kaido awakening, it has to be the first time now, just like Luffy. I say I would hate it, because it would put even more distance between the Yonko and their main commanders, and I don't like that.

 

[M3J]

Why is Sanji's stamina so low?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Why is Sanji's stamina so low?

Think folks are mixing endurance and durability but with germa buff he’s elite in those two

 

[M3J]

Even without the buff he's been elite in both, as Zoro and Luffy have been.

 

[really_jonny]

I would very much like a good-hearted soul to comment here:

Discussion - Top 10 Akuma no Mi

Make your top 10 DF. Use whatever criteria you want. My: 1 - Ope Ope no Mi (Awakening) 2 - Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika (Awakening) 3 - Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu 4 - Yami Yami no Mi (Hype Awakening in top 1)/Hobi Hobi no Mi 5 - Gura Gura no Mi/Nikyu Nikyu no Mi/Bonney Fruit 6 - Jiki...

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[XXGenesis]

Why is Sanji's stamina so low?

Post Time Skip, his stamina was low when he tried to save Luffy end of WCI; Sanji didn’t exactly have many battles that arc or challenges to not outrun bullets etc

Current Onigashima Sanji has beat up a few Gifters, got trapped by Black Mariah’s Goons & beat up, went to live floor to fight Queen & King very briefly, fights Queen; then passed out…..others have endured a lot more & produced more before passing out. So in comparison he has lower stamina

Don't you think you're jumping the gun with Luffy a little bit?

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Category	Luffy	Yamato	Zoro	Sanji
Power	10	7.5	7.5	6.0
Speed	10	8	6.5	9.5
Durability	9.0	8.5	8.0	8.5
Stamina	9.0	8	8.5	6
Skill	9.0	9	9	9
Haki	9.5	8	7.0	7
Total	56.5	49	46.5	46

Luffy doesn’t have 10 in speed or power .
These stats are more like Gear5 Luffy after this Kaido fight.

Even without the buff he's been elite in both, as Zoro and Luffy have been.

This is my focus and purpose for giving numbers to these stats….
They are all close but on different lvs in certain stats and overall

	LUFFY	ZORO	SANJI
Power	9	8	7
Speed	8.5	7	8
Durability	8	6	7.5
Stamina	9	8	6.5
Skill	8.5	8	7.5
Haki	9	7.5	6

I think these numbers match up realitively with the Portryal of the SHP so far during Wano. *not considering G5 yet
Luffy 50
Zoro 45.5
Sanji 42.5

When i do one for Kaido he has 10’s & 9’s comes out to 56.5 which would make sense for someone like Kaido.

 

[really_jonny]

What do you all consider stamina? I believe it fits to support the damage suffered. Zoro: continued fighting after literally having all his bones broken, after this he received a Raimei Hakke (with all his bones broken). He took a pill that recovers him at the cost of having all the damage doubled. All damage doubled by adding the above with: damage caused by King, and Enma draining your Haoshoku (this no small thing). And he will survive it all (or no). Anyway, just keep fighting with all the broken bones says a lot about his stamina.

When Luffy was damaged to that point he died.

As for durability, I agree that it has less than both. Adding durability + stamina (resistance in general) it is below. But the two are well below him in the sense of tolerating pain.

 

[john ellis]

why is sanji being given higher haki then a coc user? coc users have always had superior haki and will to those without. Zoro's haki is atleats on par if not better then yamato's although i think due to mythical zoan yamato takes the fight high dif

 

[Core D. Roy]

What do you all consider stamina? I believe it fits to support the damage suffered. Zoro: continued fighting after literally having all his bones broken, after this he received a Raimei Hakke (with all his bones broken). He took a pill that recovers him at the cost of having all the damage doubled. All damage doubled by adding the above with: damage caused by King, and Enma draining your Haoshoku (this no small thing). And he will survive it all (or no). Anyway, just keep fighting with all the broken bones says a lot about his stamina.

When Luffy was damaged to that point he died.

As for durability, I agree that it has less than both. Adding durability + stamina (resistance in general) it is below. But the two are well below him in the sense of tolerating pain.

Stamina is more about enduring exhaustion. Toughness/endurance are more about enduring damage. Zoro is very high in both stats, but there is a distinction.

 

[XXGenesis]

What do you all consider stamina? I believe it fits to support the damage suffered. Zoro: continued fighting after literally having all his bones broken, after this he received a Raimei Hakke (with all his bones broken). He took a pill that recovers him at the cost of having all the damage doubled. All damage doubled by adding the above with: damage caused by King, and Enma draining your Haoshoku (this no small thing). And he will survive it all (or no). Anyway, just keep fighting with all the broken bones says a lot about his stamina.

When Luffy was damaged to that point he died.

As for durability, I agree that it has less than both. Adding durability + stamina (resistance in general) it is below. But the two are well below him in the sense of tolerating pain.

Stamina is what it is; Not what ppl consider it to be.

The difference between Stamina & Durability is

Durability refers to the Permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force.

While Stamina the energy & strength for continuing to do something for a long time.

Endurance is measure of one’s stamina or persistence. As to why it’s not needed

Zoro’s durability should not match Sanji’s or Luffy’s. His swords provide a buffer from him getting damaged & there’s Haki but it’s still not comparable to Luffy or Sanji