One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Fox666]

Luffy was worth 1.5 b after beating Katakuri.
Zoro was worth 1.1 b after beating King who low diffed Marco.

Marco was defeated by King and Queen combined strength

Zoro and Sanji got a combined bounty of 2.132 after defeating King in Queen

 

[BlackTiger]

King was defeated by King and Queen combined strength

Zoro and Sanji got a combined bounty of 2.132 after defeating King in Queen

King lost to Zoro what manga are you reading and Zoro was worth 1.1 b.
Katakuri lost to Luffy and Luffy was worth 1.5 b.

What so hard to understand? Do you understand English?

True it needs the combination of Zoro and Sanji bounty to surpass 1.5 b Luffy who beat Katakuri.

Individually Zoro and Sanii bounty were worth less than 1.2 b after beating King and Queen which shows how pathetic these bozo YC were.

If only King were as strong as Katakuri then WG would deem Zoro as a bigger threat after Zoro beat King and granted Zoro 1.5 b berries.

 

[Fox666]

Obviously I meant Marco was defeated by both King and Queen

 

[BlackTiger]

Obviously I meant Marco was defeated by both King and Queen

Queen was fighting Sanji.

Only Marco and King were left. King solo Marco smoked him to the point Marco started believing in God

 

[Fox666]

Queen was fighting Sanji.

Only Marco and King were left. King solo Marco smoked him to the point Marco started believing in God

Can you post a panel of Marco fighting King 1-on-1?

Can you post a panel of Sanji fighting Queen 1-on-1 before Zoro was healed?


Because as far I can tell, Marco was fighting 1-on-2

Until he couldn't... then Sanji fought 1-on-2

 

[BlackTiger]

Can you post a panel of Marco fighting King 1-on-1?

Can you post a panel of Sanji fighting Queen 1-on-1 before Zoro was healed?


Because as far I can tell, Marco was fighting 1-on-2

Until he couldn't... then Sanji fought 1-on-2

There are dozen panels of Sanji fighting Queen 1 on 1 before Zorp was healed. That meant it was King who fought Marco solo. Marco fought King and Queen for a brief moment without being able to damage them. Damage Queen took recovered a chapter later from Marco attacks.

It's simple. King smoked Marco then joined Queen and 2 vs 1 Sanji.

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Can you post a panel of Sanji fighting Queen 1-on-1 before Zoro was healed?

This is a dumb question.

Sanji vs Queen 1 on 1 before Zoro was healed. That meant it was King who fought Marco solo and smoked him then he joined Queen to fight Sanji.

Marco is the weakest YC1. Time for you to admit it. He is the only YC1 that current Sanji can beat.

 

[Fox666]

Oh yeah, I forgot Sanji kicked Queen to save Chopper

Now, where's the panel with King fighting Marco 1-on-1?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Marco is the weakest YC1. Time for you to admit it. He is the only YC1 that current Sanji can beat.

 

[BlackTiger]

It's true though. Lost to King who made Zoro bounty 1.1 b. The only YC1 current Sanji can beat. Very embarrassing I say. You can make an argument that Queen or Cracker push Marco to extreme diff.

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Oh yeah, I forgot Sanji kicked Queen to save Chopper

Now, where's the panel with King fighting Marco 1-on-1?

Who was fighting Marco solo if not King when Queen was busy with Chopper, Sanji before Zoro was healed?

 

[kkck]

Luffy was given his 1.5 billion bounty for more than defeating katakuri. Morgan's story pointed out:
- Luffy was the head of the strawhat armada and had 7 powerful crews working for him and no less than 5000 additional subordinates.
- He is the sworn brother of sabo the revolutionary
- The germa, fishman and firetank pirates were following him as well.
- He planned the murder attempt on big mom and destroyed her castle.
- He defeated 2 of big mom's top commanders.

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So.... Luffy got his 1.5 billion bounty for a lot more than merely defeating katakuri. This is just more intentional lies on blacktiger's part, there's no point on replying to him.

 

[BlackTiger]

Luffy was given his 1.5 billion bounty for more than defeating katakuri. Morgan's story pointed out:
- Luffy was the head of the strawhat armada and had 7 powerful crews working for him and no less than 5000 additional subordinates.
- He is the sworn brother of sabo the revolutionary
- The germa, fishman and firetank pirates were following him as well.
- He planned the murder attempt on big mom and destroyed her castle.
- He defeated 2 of big mom's top commanders.

Baseless. What Morgans said in his newspaper was irrelevant to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty since WG still referred to 4 emperors. No 5 emperors. So the deciding for WG to give 1.5 b bounty to Luffy was not due to Morgans.
- Stussy VC said Morgans got his scoop for his newspaper from Stussy that meant Stussy aka WG already knew Luffy led 7 powerful fleet before WCI yet WG didn't raise Luffy's bounty so this excuse is irrelevant.
- Sabo told Fujitora in Dressrosa that he's Luffy's sworn brother yet after Dressrosa Luffy did not get bounty boost. Another irrelevant excuse.
- Being a leading of WCI infiltration was not a reason for Luffy's 1.5 b bounty.
Here Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help. Not for being a leading of Onigashima invansion.

- Planning a murder did not contribute to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty. Look panels above Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help not for planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.
- Only this reason is correct.

So.... Luffy got his 1.5 billion bounty for a lot more than merely defeating katakuri. This is just more intentional lies on blacktiger's part, there's no point on replying to him.

No already addressed above.

Luffy got 3 b bounty despite becoming a yonko, having 7 grand fleet.

Law got 3 b bounty despite not a yonko, has trash crews.

Being a yonko or having a massive fleet was not a reason for Luffy's 3 b bounty. It's for taking down 2 yonko with Law and Kidd.

Same for WCI. Luffy got 1.5 b bounty for taking down Katakuri and Cracker.

Zoro got lesser bounty for taking down Apoo and King who beat the weakest YC1.

No amount of excuses can save King and Marco abysmal portrayal that Zoro's bounty was less than 1.2 b while Lufy's bounty was 1.5 b after beating Katakuri.

 

[kkck]

Baseless. What Morgans said in his newspaper was irrelevant to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty since WG still referred to 4 emperors. No 5 emperors. So the deciding for WG to give 1.5 b bounty to Luffy was not due to Morgans.
- Stussy VC said Morgans got his scoop for his newspaper from Stussy that meant Stussy aka WG already knew Luffy led 7 powerful fleet before WCI yet WG didn't raise Luffy's bounty so this excuse is irrelevant.
- Sabo told Fujitora in Dressrosa that he's Luffy's sworn brother yet after Dressrosa Luffy did not get bounty boost. Another irrelevant excuse.
- Being a leading of WCI infiltration was not a reason for Luffy's 1.5 b bounty.
Here Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help. Not for being a leading of Onigashima invansion.

- Planning a murder did not contribute to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty. Look panels above Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help not for planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.
- Only this reason is correct.



No already addressed above.

Luffy got 3 b bounty despite becoming a yonko, having 7 grand fleet.

Law got 3 b bounty despite not a yonko, has trash crews.

Being a yonko or having a massive fleet was not a reason for Luffy's 3 b bounty. It's for taking down 2 yonko with Law and Kidd.

Same for WCI. Luffy got 1.5 b bounty for taking down Katakuri and Cracker.

Zoro got lesser bounty for taking down Apoo and King who beat the weakest YC1.

No amount of excuses can save King and Marco abysmal portrayal that Zoro's bounty was less than 1.2 b while Lufy's bounty was 1.5 b after beating Katakuri.

Senseless gibberish. I was talking about when luffy got his 1.5 billion, not his 3 billion bounty.

 

[BlackTiger]

Senseless gibberish. I was talking about when luffy got his 1.5 billion, not his 3 billion bounty.

I was using 3 b berries as a rebuttal to your Luffy's reason for 1.5 b berries. If Luffy got 1.5 b berries fr leading the invasion on WCI and planning BM death, the same logic should be applied for his 3b berries bounty.

You said Luffy got 1.5 b berries for leading an infiltration on WCI.

Yet his 3 b berries bounty was for beating Kaido and BM with Kidd and Law. Not for being a leading figure of forces that invaded Onigashima.

You said Luffy planned the assassination of BM contributed to his 1.5 b berries.

Then why did the narrator say Luffy's 3b berries bounty was due to beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help? Not for planning the death of Kaido and BM?

So Luffy leading the infiltration on WCI and planning the death of BM contributed to his 1.5 b berries is a garbage statement since Luffy got 3 b berries for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd. Not for being a leading figure of forces that invaded Onigashima and planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.

Morgans newspaper after WCI was just Morgans fanboying Luffy. Not the reason for Luffy's 1.5 b berries bounty since gorosei still referred to 4 emperors. No 5 emperors and gorosei never once called Luffy 5th emperor.

 

[albertwv]

This forum is depressing... instead of ignoring somebody who is going off the rails and spouting nonsense, y'all keep entertaining him. I understand after one or two replies but after a dozen replies from various people, semi-agreeing that he is in the wrong, there are still folks replying to him.
His whole argument is that Kata > King > Marco, due to bounties that their respective opponents received after defeating them. Like cmon.

Although I do blame Oda for leaving it really vague on how strong the Yonko Commanders are amongst each other. Admiral GB vs King and Queen did not help their case at all. At the beginning of Zou, Oda hyped up the Yonko Commanders, with introducing Jack with a bounty of $1B as the "right hand man of Kaido" & being fearless in attacking 4 Marine ships with VA Tsuru, Admiral Fuji, F.A. Sengoku, and 2 other VAs. Then also Cracker being hyped up for the BM Pirates with a bounty of $800m. Im still upset on how Oda handled Cracker. There should have been more of him.

 

[kkck]

I was using 3 b berries as a rebuttal to your Luffy's reason for 1.5 b berries. If Luffy got 1.5 b berries fr leading the invasion on WCI and planning BM death, the same logic should be applied for his 3b berries bounty.

You said Luffy got 1.5 b berries for leading an infiltration on WCI.

Yet his 3 b berries bounty was for beating Kaido and BM with Kidd and Law. Not for being a leading figure of forces that invaded Onigashima.

You said Luffy planned the assassination of BM contributed to his 1.5 b berries.

Then why did the narrator say Luffy's 3b berries bounty was due to beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help? Not for planning the death of Kaido and BM?

So Luffy leading the infiltration on WCI and planning the death of BM contributed to his 1.5 b berries is a garbage statement since Luffy got 3 b berries for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd. Not for being a leading figure of forces that invaded Onigashima and planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.

Morgans newspaper after WCI was just Morgans fanboying Luffy. Not the reason for Luffy's 1.5 b berries bounty since gorosei still referred to 4 emperors. No 5 emperors and gorosei never once called Luffy 5th emperor.

What are you even talking about lol? This is nonsense. It's a fact that luffy got 1.5 billion due to the sum of things that happened at WCI. the information in the article is the full context of what went on at the time which became extremely public thanks to morgans. Meanwhile wano events are not relevant at all to that, including what the narrator did or didn't sat at the time. Even if you disregard what the newspaper said post WCI, how does that evidence luffy getting 1.5 billion solely for defeating katakuri? Obviously there's zero reasons to think that.

 

[BlackTiger]

What are you even talking about lol? This is nonsense. It's a fact that luffy got 1.5 billion due to the sum of things that happened at WCI.

Morgans newspaper you mean? That's Morgans fanboying Luffy. Not what how Wg thought of Luffy since WG never once called Luffy 5th emperor.

the information in the article is the full context of what went on at the time which became extremely public thanks to morgans.

Again that's just Morgans fanboying Luffy not what WG thought of Luffy since WG never once called Luffy 5th emperor. Since you like to repeat the same statements, I would repeat my rebuttal to yours.
- Stussy VC said Morgans got his scoop for his newspaper from Stussy that meant Stussy aka WG already knew Luffy led 7 powerful fleet before WCI yet WG didn't raise Luffy's bounty so this excuse is irrelevant.
- Sabo told Fujitora in Dressrosa that he's Luffy's sworn brother yet after Dressrosa Luffy did not get bounty boost. Another irrelevant excuse.
- Being a leading of WCI infiltration was not a reason for Luffy's 1.5 b bounty.
Here Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help. Not for being a leading of Onigashima invansion.

- Planning a murder did not contribute to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty. Look panels above Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help not for planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.

Meanwhile wano events are not relevant at all, including what the narrator did or didn't sat at the time. Even if you disregard what the newspaper said post WCI, how does that evidence luffy getting 1.5 billion solely for defeating katakuri? Obviously there's zero reasons to think that.

Yes relevant at all. Luffy got 3b berries for beating Kaido and Big Mom with Law and Kidd's help not for being the leading of Onigashima infintration team and planning Kaido and BM death so what made you think Luffy got 1.5 berries bounty for leading the raid to WCI and planning BM death when Luffy 3b berries bounty was for beating Kaido and BM? Not for planning those 2 yonko death and leading the raid on Onigahsima? Based on what? Based on Morgans newspaper that fanboyed Luffy 5th emperor? Something WG didn't give a fuck about since WG never once called Luffy as 5th emperor

Why do you keep using Morgans newspaper like it's a Gospel when WG didn't give a fuck what Morgans wrote in his newspaper after WCi because WG never once called Luffy as 5th emperor?

You are clinging to Morgans newspaper something WG didn't give a fuck about because it's your only ray of hope to cope for Zoro abysmal 1.1 b berries bounty after beating King who treated Marco like a dirt.

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Even if you disregard what the newspaper said post WCI, how does that evidence luffy getting 1.5 billion solely for defeating katakuri? Obviously there's zero reasons to think that.

Refer to this post.

Baseless. What Morgans said in his newspaper was irrelevant to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty since WG still referred to 4 emperors. No 5 emperors. So the deciding for WG to give 1.5 b bounty to Luffy was not due to Morgans.
- Stussy VC said Morgans got his scoop for his newspaper from Stussy that meant Stussy aka WG already knew Luffy led 7 powerful fleet before WCI yet WG didn't raise Luffy's bounty so this excuse is irrelevant.
- Sabo told Fujitora in Dressrosa that he's Luffy's sworn brother yet after Dressrosa Luffy did not get bounty boost. Another irrelevant excuse.
- Being a leading of WCI infiltration was not a reason for Luffy's 1.5 b bounty.
Here Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help. Not for being a leading of Onigashima invansion.

- Planning a murder did not contribute to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty. Look panels above Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help not for planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.
- Only this reason is correct.



No already addressed above.

Luffy got 3 b bounty despite becoming a yonko, having 7 grand fleet.

Law got 3 b bounty despite not a yonko, has trash crews.

Being a yonko or having a massive fleet was not a reason for Luffy's 3 b bounty. It's for taking down 2 yonko with Law and Kidd.

Same for WCI. Luffy got 1.5 b bounty for taking down Katakuri and Cracker.

Zoro got lesser bounty for taking down Apoo and King who beat the weakest YC1.

No amount of excuses can save King and Marco abysmal portrayal that Zoro's bounty was less than 1.2 b while Lufy's bounty was 1.5 b after beating Katakuri.

 

[Core D. Roy]

I am now dumber for having attempted to read the last couple pages. Y'all are either feeding a troll, or worse feeding somebody who says all that and is inexplicably sincere. Either way, please stop feeding.

 

[BlackTiger]

I am now dumber for having attempted to read the last couple pages. Y'all are either feeding a troll, or worse feeding somebody who says all that and is inexplicably sincere. Either way, please stop feeding.

I failed to see how am I not sincere when everything I stated has not been proven wrong. I think you are too dumb to understand the statements I provided from the manga. I'm not a troll you just lack basic reading comprehension.

 

[kkck]

I failed to see how am I not sincere when everything I stated has not been proven wrong. I think you are too dumb to understand the statements I provided from the manga. I'm not a troll you just lack basic reading comprehension.

 

[BlackTiger]

Safe to say that you have no arguments at this point. All you can do is clinging to Morgans newspaper post WCI something WG didn't care about. WG didn't use Morgans newspaper to judge Luffy's bounty post WCI since WG never called Luffy as 5th emperor.

You still haven't addressed these arguments.

- Stussy VC said Morgans got his scoop for his newspaper from Stussy that meant Stussy aka WG already knew Luffy led 7 powerful fleet before WCI yet WG didn't raise Luffy's bounty so this excuse is irrelevant.
- Sabo told Fujitora in Dressrosa that he's Luffy's sworn brother yet after Dressrosa Luffy did not get bounty boost. Another irrelevant excuse.
- Being a leading of WCI infiltration was not a reason for Luffy's 1.5 b bounty.
Here Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help. Not for being a leading of Onigashima invansion.

- Planning a murder did not contribute to Luffy's 1.5 b bounty. Look panels above Luffy got 3 b bounty for beating Kaido and BM with Law and Kidd's help not for planning the death of Kaido and Big Mom.