One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Darklord#10]

Neither. Haki pre-TS wasn't represented consistently with post-TS, but the inconsistency is merely in its depiction, not in characters having it or not.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 27, 2022, Original Post Date: Sep 27, 2022 ---

Actually, after Kaido's fight, I have come to believe no character can clash directly with an aCoC user in melee, much less 1vs1.

aCoC seems to be exactly what allows a top tier to be a top tier in this verse, so I will be more surprised if someone like Akainu doesn't have it.

Do you mean advanced conquerors haki?

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 6, 2023 ---

choke diffing

Bro how do you come up with all this stuff choke diff and sneeze diff lmao

 

[hokageji]

I don't know, Crocodile Seraphim have the same scar as the original and the Seraphim Mihawk certainly runs away from any challenges like the original

Also the Seraphim Hancock has the same attitude like the original

err, by emotional baggage, i meant to say the edo tenseis turned all jutsus to talk no jutsus. there was too much drama and sure some fights were interesting...

Pirates are way cooler... being biological robots, they have a lot of the characteristics of their originals, plus some enhanced genes as well.They do retain their original counterpart's characteristics, and their emotions if it comes to using them as a weapon.

However, we've only seen 1 copy of all the seraphims. We haven't seen an army, those are just Kuma clones for now. If the WG / Navy have access to Pacifistas that are other shichibukais. or even old pirates, it may becoming boring and very edo tensei ish.

 

[kkck]

It sounds pretty unlikely there will be an army of seraphines... Setting aside how OP that would be, you'd think the WG would struggle with the resources for something like that (even though they shouldn't as the single government in the world). The seraphine will likely simply do what they were said to do from the start, replace the shichibukai. And that in the incoming war that will much much bigger than the war against WB.

 

[albertwv]

Am I the only one who ISNT looking forward to this Huge war versus the WG? How imagine it will be from previous war arcs that Oda has drawn is:
Like Marineford but way bigger as in more characters, more enemies and less screen time for those that matter: the Straw Hat crew.
In MF we got to see powerful fighters clash one or two scenes with no endings. It was off-screened.
Like whatever happened with Doffy vs Croc (2nd round) or Croc vs Mihawk or Akainu vs WBP (off-screened), or Sengoku and Garp vs BBP, etc etc.
We got to see them match up and do one attack each but after that we got no conclusion.

During Wano, we saw how poorly Onigashima battle was drawn and extended due to so many useless minor characters in the way. That we didnt get enougg Jimbei, Usopp, Brook, Robin, and Nami. Chopper and Brook went without a match up. The Numbers, samurai, ninjas, gifters, and etc were useless and took up too much panels. The zombie virus was lame.

Dressrosa was another mini Wano where the main cast was overshadowed by a new cast. i dont care for the straw hat fleet. But I have a big feeling that they will be back for the final war and will only get one or two panels of them clashing, not fighting but clashing agaisnt an enemy and we wont see them until the end.

Oda has been able to introduce too many characters that he cannot possibly fit them all and give them time to shine.
Shit on Naruto War if you want, but they did it right to an extent. Where each minor character was at least able to get a 1v1 and their time to shine or reconcile and tie up loose ends. Heck even Nagato and Itachi were able to.
The part I didnt like about it was that Naruto cloned himself too much and spread himself through the war and kept his energy level all the way to the end. Even though he kept saying that he was at his limit. Just like Law and Kid vs BM, where they kept saying they could not move or that this was their last move, but kept going and going it felt repetitive.
Naruto war brought in new characters through Edo Tensei but each one or at least for the majority, were personally taken care of and sent off.
Oda wont do that , he'll just off-screened them after one clash and call it a day. Or he'll take them out in the most ridiculous manner.

 

[LaGOAT]

Am I the only one who ISNT looking forward to this Huge war versus the WG? How imagine it will be from previous war arcs that Oda has drawn is:
Like Marineford but way bigger as in more characters, more enemies and less screen time for those that matter: the Straw Hat crew.
In MF we got to see powerful fighters clash one or two scenes with no endings. It was off-screened.
Like whatever happened with Doffy vs Croc (2nd round) or Croc vs Mihawk or Akainu vs WBP (off-screened), or Sengoku and Garp vs BBP, etc etc.
We got to see them match up and do one attack each but after that we got no conclusion.

During Wano, we saw how poorly Onigashima battle was drawn and extended due to so many useless minor characters in the way. That we didnt get enougg Jimbei, Usopp, Brook, Robin, and Nami. Chopper and Brook went without a match up. The Numbers, samurai, ninjas, gifters, and etc were useless and took up too much panels. The zombie virus was lame.

Dressrosa was another mini Wano where the main cast was overshadowed by a new cast. i dont care for the straw hat fleet. But I have a big feeling that they will be back for the final war and will only get one or two panels of them clashing, not fighting but clashing agaisnt an enemy and we wont see them until the end.

Oda has been able to introduce too many characters that he cannot possibly fit them all and give them time to shine.
Shit on Naruto War if you want, but they did it right to an extent. Where each minor character was at least able to get a 1v1 and their time to shine or reconcile and tie up loose ends. Heck even Nagato and Itachi were able to.
The part I didnt like about it was that Naruto cloned himself too much and spread himself through the war and kept his energy level all the way to the end. Even though he kept saying that he was at his limit. Just like Law and Kid vs BM, where they kept saying they could not move or that this was their last move, but kept going and going it felt repetitive.
Naruto war brought in new characters through Edo Tensei but each one or at least for the majority, were personally taken care of and sent off.
Oda wont do that , he'll just off-screened them after one clash and call it a day. Or he'll take them out in the most ridiculous manner.

I guess oda will rely on the anime to do that

 

[Pirate Queen]

Is anyone concern with the way narration framed it that we simply get a recap of Egg Head Islands conclusion?

I'm rereading the chapters and that's the vibe I got from a full on fight stand point

 

[Darklord#10]

@Pirate Queen you've been voting kata for every vs thread. Is he your favorite character or something lmao

 

[Pirate Queen]

@Pirate Queen you've been voting kata for every vs thread. Is he your favorite character or something lmao

Not my favorite. Not even in my top 5 but I think he is stronger than the people he is being put up against

Also it looks like ove only voted for him 3 times for Kidd, King, and Jinbei.

Katakuri beats Jinbei high diff
Katakuri beats Kidd high diff
Katakuri beats King max diff (possible tie)

I don't these are outrageous stances to have honestly.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Is anyone concern with the way narration framed it that we simply get a recap of Egg Head Islands conclusion?

I'm rereading the chapters and that's the vibe I got from a full on fight stand point

Would be the ultimate Oda troll to have the us read about the present events in a series of flashbacks. I definitely do see where your concerns are from since the story seems to constantly refer to this day as huge event but always from outsider perspective. I personally think Oda is just trying to hype things but could definitely be off-screened like the other two major fights and learned about via flashback.

 

[Rein Avara]

Honestly I don't mind if we off screen the traitor portion of things, I'm tired of reading them in OP.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Honestly I don't mind if we off screen the traitor portion of things, I'm tired of reading them in OP.

I'm not of fan of 6 Vegapunk's. Too many characters

 

[Darklord#10]

Katakuri beats Jinbei high diff

I don't rate jinbei tbh. I think kata low mid diffs Jim. The only thing he did was stop a rampaging punch from akainu. Quite frankly I think he's fodder

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 9, 2023, Original Post Date: Jul 9, 2023 ---

Not my favorite. Not even in my top 5 but I think he is stronger than the people he is being put up against

Also it looks like ove only voted for him 3 times for Kidd, King, and Jinbei.

Katakuri beats Jinbei high diff
Katakuri beats King high diff
Katakuri beats King max diff (possible tie)

I don't these are outrageous stances to have honestly.

Why king twice? Do you mean Kidd? I think Kidd wins against kata mid high diff

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't rare jinbei tbh. I think kata low mid diffs Jim. The only thing he did was stop a rampaging punch from akainu. Quite frankly I think he's fodder

I believe Jinbei's water was somewhat of a counter to the stickyness of Katakuri's sticky mochi. That's the only reason I don't think mid diff.

Also, are they fighting near water? If so. Jinbei performs better

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Honestly I don't mind if we off screen the traitor portion of things, I'm tired of reading them in OP.

Whodunit stories tend to require lots of characters so combining that with OP seemed like a recipe for dragging the story out as long as possible. Hopefully all there is left is we see Kizaru & Saturn arrive and after getting updates kill the traitor off and move on to the real events.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't rate jinbei tbh. I think kata low mid diffs Jim. The only thing he did was stop a rampaging punch from akainu. Quite frankly I think he's fodder

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 9, 2023, Original Post Date: Jul 9, 2023 ---

Why king twice? Do you mean Kidd? I think Kidd wins against kata mid high diff

I did mean Kidd. My bad. Why do you think so?

 

[Merlin918]

This is not a rational thread. It simply discusses the differing power levels of characters with brief estimations of who would win a fight. If it were rational, it would try to estimate who will win in future fights that might take place in the One Piece manga, or how powerful some characters are. It's a Manga Helper Forum, not a Power Level Debater Forum. The way you help the manga is by figuring out how to make the good guys win, or if you really feel like it, you can always predict how the villains could try to win if it seems logical. Otherwise, you're not helping the manga, you're just making the villains stronger. However, there is a good reason to do that sometimes. Sometimes, villains will simply turn out to be that strong, so estimating who can defeat who is necessary for it to be determined who will win in future fights. Additionally, fights are not always individual battles. Some fights are group based. One is "Straw Hat Pirates vs Blackbeard Pirates". Luffy could just put a hole in Blackbeard's secondary ships keels with Ryou Blasts, and then he would win. If he attacked the main ship, he'd sink Pudding into the sea. Blackbeard and the other pirates working for him would be mostly unable to do something, as sniper rifle users don't aim upwards at enemies to hit them while they're moving around quickly when most of the Blackbeard Pirates don't use sniper rifles and technically none of them have those. Therefore, Laffite would try to consider attacking at a long distance, but he cannot do that. He instead needs his Warp Warp Fruit to fight enemies who are at a long distance. Luffy can win such a fight against the Blackbeard Pirates unless Blackbeard gains a Devil Fruit that lets him fly.

The next fight would be Luffy vs Akainu. The next fight after that would be no more fighting, as the Marines would give up after Luffy killed Akainu. The Luffy vs Borsalino and Jegarcia Saturn fight is one he'd win in the same way as he'd defeat the Blackbeard Pirates. Luffy should always win.

 

[Darklord#10]

I did mean Kidd. My bad. Why do you think so?

Because he fought big mom. And his portrayals with Luffy

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 9, 2023, Original Post Date: Jul 9, 2023 ---

I believe Jinbei's water was somewhat of a counter to the stickyness of Katakuri's sticky mochi. That's the only reason I don't think mid diff.

Also, are they fighting near water? If so. Jinbei performs better

Can't kata's awakening counter the water or whatever?

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 9, 2023 ---

Also please what is coO, acoO etc

 

[grey matter]

Also please what is coO, acoO etc

Yeah, was confused by these terms when I started with OP discussions lol

CoC = colour of conqueror's
Conqueror's haki. Haki used to be called colour for some reason (still is I guess)
aCoC = advanced colour of conqueror's


CoA = colour of armament

CoO = colour of observation

 

[Darklord#10]

Yeah, was confused by these terms when I started with OP discussions lol

CoC = colour of conqueror's
Conqueror's haki. Haki used to be called colour for some reason (still is I guess)
aCoC = advanced colour of conqueror's


CoA = colour of armament

CoO = colour of observation

Tnx bro. Kata has advanced observation haki right? He can see ten seconds in the future but can't that be countered by simply being more faster. Luffy got blitz by kaido during rooftop even after seeing the attack

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 9, 2023, Original Post Date: Jul 9, 2023 ---

Kata's mastery over his DF is crazy to. Why doesn't oda give Kidd advanced conquerors haki? Wouldn't that upgrade him to. Zoro has it now. Law and Kidd doesn't even have any advanced form of haki

 

[grey matter]

Kata's mastery over his DF is crazy to. Why doesn't oda give Kidd advanced conquerors haki? Wouldn't that upgrade him to. Zoro has it now. Law and Kidd doesn't even have any advanced form of haki

Oda gave Kidd awakening tho.

In verse, it makes sense.

Both Kidd and Law are very reliant on DF. So they got awakening.
They didn't have legends training them haki like Luffy or Zoro had. Luffy also had Hyogoro train him haki flow in Udon prison.

Luffy got future sight because Katakuri fight was his observation haki "training".

Tnx bro. Kata has advanced observation haki right? He can see ten seconds in the future but can't that be countered by simply being more faster. Luffy got blitz by kaido during rooftop even after seeing the attack

Yeah, he has advanced observation haki......I forgot how far Katakuri can see, though I vaguely remember the number 10.

Yeah, FS can be countered by being much faster. Kaido never needed to use FS against Luffy until that one moment with Snakeman G4 barrage. Kaido prior was landing hits on Luffy by simply being fast enough.