One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Rein Avara]

Who's Who didn't do much, he used underhanded tactics against Jimbei and still got his ass beat with relative ease I'd say.
If not for the fact that Jimbei had to fight against his whole crew and deal with projectiles he'd get Low-diffed IMO.

 

[kkck]

Remember when Jack attacked the ship carrying Fujitora, Sengoku, and Tsuru and everyone lost their minds?

In hindsight that's even more insane. At that point it was somewhat believable that a YC3 that's not in WB's crew could hold a candle to an admiral...

 

[shailks]

Don’t get me started on that, lol.

 

[LadyVados]

Post-1109 tier list

 

[Pirate Queen]

In hindsight this is so fucking funny. What was bro SMOKING

 

[Yami-Kun]

Post-1109 tier list

Poor Sanji
YC1 boa? erm i disagree, more likely as YC1 or YC1.5
Akainu as YC+ i disagree too, his magma logia DF is a big threat, how he and Kuzan are on the same tier? Akainu beat Kuzan and left that battle with a couple war scars, Kuzan? Less 1 leg.
I doubt Dragon is that strong to be Yonkou tier, more like as YC+
The rest i can almost agree with your tier list!

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In hindsight this is so fucking funny. What was bro SMOKING

That panel and what you said.. ok he's literally smoking samurais

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Do we think all the Gorosei will be similar power level or they will have a range? I just figured the one responsible for War would be above the others in fighting but could also see them all being similar in capability with the titles just reflecting their political purview.

 

[Fox666]

Do we think all the Gorosei will be similar power level or they will have a range? I just figured the one responsible for War would be above the others in fighting but could also see them all being similar in capability with the titles just reflecting their political purview.

It would be much cooler if their power levels varied, but One Piece is too predictable some times, and they most likely will be on the same level. I think Sabo's attack also implied as much.

Poor Sanji
YC1 boa? erm i disagree, more likely as YC1 or YC1.5
Akainu as YC+ i disagree too, his magma logia DF is a big threat, how he and Kuzan are on the same tier? Akainu beat Kuzan and left that battle with a couple war scars, Kuzan? Less 1 leg.
I doubt Dragon is that strong to be Yonkou tier, more like as YC+
The rest i can almost agree with your tier list!

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That panel and what you said.. ok he's literally smoking samurais

I'm surprised you ranked Saturn above Kizaru. I thought it was obvious that Kizaru is far stronger than him, and Saturn is just tagging along to help against Luffy.

Personally I prefer to rank characters by "bounty power levels", which looks like this:

4 billion range

Yonko
Marine Admirals
Luffy, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku

2 billion range

Gorosei
Law, Kid, Yamato, Hancock, Crocodile
Dorry and Brogy (minimum)

1.2 billion range

Yonko 1st commanders
Zoro, Sanji, Rob Lucci
Sabo (minimum)

 

[Yoko75]

Do we think all the Gorosei will be similar power level or they will have a range? I just figured the one responsible for War would be above the others in fighting but could also see them all being similar in capability with the titles just reflecting their political purview.

I believe that there will be a hierarchy among them when it comes to power, but it's also possible that's not the case. I do believe they will all regenerative capabilities like Saturn though. Considering that Saturn's DF final form seems to be yokai based. I think it's safe to say the other Gorosei members will all have mythical zoan DF's that will be based off yokai as well. Only time will tell.

 

[HereNThere]

Do we think all the Gorosei will be similar power level or they will have a range? I just figured the one responsible for War would be above the others in fighting but could also see them all being similar in capability with the titles just reflecting their political purview.

We'll see for sure next chapter, but I think their titles just reflect their responsibilities as you mentioned and they are the same level.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

It would be much cooler if their power levels varied, but One Piece is too predictable some times, and they most likely will be on the same level. I think Sabo's attack also implied as much.

We'll see for sure next chapter, but I think their titles just reflect their responsibilities as you mentioned and they are the same level.

Yeah I'm thinking they will be like the Admirals who are all similarly strong to each other at this point. But still holding out hope that the thing they are each responsible for actually is related to how they fight. Like Saturn as the Science person so far hasn't used any science in combat. In the past the scientists we've seen in combat (Caesar, Judge, Queen) have all incorporated their own inventions/style in the way they fight. If we end up seeing that from Saturn then it will give each of them more individuality and also open up the door for potential gap in power, especially when one of them is tasked purely with war.

 

[Qenjin]

It would be much cooler if their power levels varied, but One Piece is too predictable some times, and they most likely will be on the same level. I think Sabo's attack also implied as much.


I'm surprised you ranked Saturn above Kizaru. I thought it was obvious that Kizaru is far stronger than him, and Saturn is just tagging along to help against Luffy.

Personally I prefer to rank characters by "bounty power levels", which looks like this:

4 billion range

Yonko
Marine Admirals
Luffy, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku

2 billion range

Gorosei
Law, Kid, Yamato, Hancock, Crocodile
Dorry and Brogy (minimum)

1.2 billion range

Yonko 1st commanders
Zoro, Sanji, Rob Lucci
Sabo (minimum)

How you can rank Kizaru above gorosei if clearly he got damaged badly, while gorosei was unscathed. Whats more I am pretty sure gorosei didnt show their full power yet. They seem to be using purest form of DEVIL fruit. I wouldnt be surprised if there is one more evolution

 

[Fox666]

How you can rank Kizaru above gorosei if clearly he got damaged badly, while gorosei was unscathed. Whats more I am pretty sure gorosei didnt show their full power yet. They seem to be using purest form of DEVIL fruit. I wouldnt be surprised if there is one more evolution

It seems Saturn can regenerate like Marco, so even Haki cannot deal permanent damage to him. But he was still "damaged".

 

[XXGenesis]

I for one am conceding my belief on this one point. 1st Mate Zoro is no longer comparable to Captain Monkey D Luffy.

I never argued Zoro was = to Luffy just very comparable. But After seeing these G5 feats.….I believe Luffy will stay in his own league; Not even the WSS will be comparable.

Current arc I do have some power level feats or situations. Zoro is being stalled by Lucci !! For way too long; Zoro needs finish that fight and then like normal do something exceedingly impressive above expectations…..I.e Help Kamui Nika fight off the Demons.

Sanji the boi; Honestly is looking much better than Zoro this arc. Yet still I want more and need more….From Sanji I need the same; He needs to either help Nika in his fight against the Gorosei; Or facilitating in some other way that results in our heroes accomplishing their goals and deterring the bad guys.

I predict Luffy going bonkers 1 vs 5. But he’ll need his wings imo

 

[kkck]

Zoro can probably be comparable to g5 luffy... for few seconds at a time. We've seen him use haki that gives yonko pause, he just doesn't have the haki volume to sustain combat at that level. And its fair to add that zoro doesn't seem capable of high level observation haki yet. But his objective as world strongest swordsman does require at least yonko level power. Mihawk is unofficially but in practice the yonko at the front of the cross guild (neither buggy nor crocodile can fill that gap). Luffy has an edge over zoro now but odds are that zoro will bridge the gap soonish.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro hasn't been comparable to Luffy since G4's introduction and I still stand by that.

Any residual discussion should have stopped when Luffy was taking on Kaido in base.

Oda is just so damned inconsistent with his powers calling it can drive someone insane. Especially with his inconsistent haki usage

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I love Zoro but yeah Luffy stomps at this point. The best we've seen out of Zoro was his fight against King and that had tons of back & forth. A person like King/Marco/Katakuri (the strongest YC1 we've seen) can't really last long against base Yonko, which tracks with how Zoro performed on the rooftop. If we give him the standard post arc power up, Zoro probably now can take on any YC1 without having huge struggle (mid-diff on average) but that's about it. His current bout with Lucci I think further cements this since Luffy in G5 literally took him out with a single named attack.

I do expect Zoro to power up a lot to end up beating Mihawk but compared to the power levels we'll need to get to, that still won't be in the same league as Luffy. Gotta remember that even Mihawk went to Marineford to see how he compares to a dying old WB indicating that he didn't know in a fight if he could defeat WB at the time and thought of him as a challenge. This final saga is going to require Luffy to power up multiple times and likely surpass the prime Roger/WB/Garp level to take on a being like Imu. So even if Zoro gets to the Yonko level, Luffy at that point will have left that tier behind to whatever name we end up giving the tier above it.

 

[XXGenesis]

Luffy’s awakening Nika’s full power with G5 his abilities are unparalleled, he has the abilities of a diety. Only Saturn has been able to counter his ability. I’m speculating it only due Saturns also unique abilities.

Currently, Zoro is being stalled by Lucci. Meaning Luffy would dismantle Zoro pretty damn easy right now. Going forward yes Zoro will get stronger but I doubt we’ll see anyone exhibit feats close to G5

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy’s awakening Nika’s full power with G5 his abilities are unparalleled. Only Saturn has been able to counter his ability. I’m speculating it only due Saturns also unique abilities.

Currently, Zoro is being stalled by Lucci. Meaning Luffy would dismantle Zoro pretty damn easy right now. Going forward yes Zoro will get stronger but I doubt we’ll see anyone exhibit feats close to G5

Do you think Saturn's regeneration is due to the immortality surgery? I'm thinking so

 

[Rein Avara]

That bubble gun from VP would come in clutch right now.