One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[DeadlyBeast]

That bubble gun from VP would come in clutch right now.

Haha and to think that Saturns greatest weakness right now would be the Mark III Pacifista with their bubbles backed by the weakling trio's one and only sniper with the bubble gun

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 7, 2024, Original Post Date: Mar 7, 2024 ---

Do you think Saturn's regeneration is due to the immortality surgery? I'm thinking so

I'm not sold on that yet. I always understood the immortality surgery to give someone eternal youth i.e. they don't age, not to make them damage proof. But if the other Gorosei do exhibit this ability I'll lean more towards the surgery since that's repeatable.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Haha and to think that Saturns greatest weakness right now would be the Mark III Pacifista with their bubbles backed by the weakling trio's one and only sniper with the bubble gun

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 7, 2024, Original Post Date: Mar 7, 2024 ---

I'm not sold on that yet. I always understood the immortality surgery to give someone eternal youth i.e. they don't age, not to make them damage proof. But if the other Gorosei do exhibit this ability I'll lean more towards the surgery since that's repeatable.

They haven't aged in any of the flashbacks we've seen. Maybe it's less and eternal youth surgery but an age stopping surgery

 

[DeadlyBeast]

They haven't aged in any of the flashbacks we've seen. Maybe it's less and eternal youth surgery but an age stopping surgery

That's definitely possible that they just stay frozen at whatever age they were when the surgery was performed. Although I do wonder if even with its power what the limit is e.g. what if they are like the homunculi in FMA where enough damage can prevent the regeneration

 

[LadyVados]

I love Zoro but yeah Luffy stomps at this point. The best we've seen out of Zoro was his fight against King and that had tons of back & forth. A person like King/Marco/Katakuri (the strongest YC1 we've seen) can't really last long against base Yonko, which tracks with how Zoro performed on the rooftop. If we give him the standard post arc power up, Zoro probably now can take on any YC1 without having huge struggle (mid-diff on average) but that's about it. His current bout with Lucci I think further cements this since Luffy in G5 literally took him out with a single named attack.

I do expect Zoro to power up a lot to end up beating Mihawk but compared to the power levels we'll need to get to, that still won't be in the same league as Luffy. Gotta remember that even Mihawk went to Marineford to see how he compares to a dying old WB indicating that he didn't know in a fight if he could defeat WB at the time and thought of him as a challenge. This final saga is going to require Luffy to power up multiple times and likely surpass the prime Roger/WB/Garp level to take on a being like Imu. So even if Zoro gets to the Yonko level, Luffy at that point will have left that tier behind to whatever name we end up giving the tier above it.

What if Zoro beats a prime Roger/wb/Garp level fighter (Like say Garling)?

I also don’t think he’d get stomped currently. Yamato and Law could somewhat hold out against Yonkos and Zoro would be able to do the same.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What if Zoro beats a prime Roger/wb/Garp level fighter (Like say Garling)?

What an insane claim. What is your basis for this


Luffy is far above Zoro at this point, gap is only going to widen from this point onwards

 

[LadyVados]

What an insane claim. What is your basis for this


Luffy is far above Zoro at this point, gap is only going to widen from this point onwards

It’s a common theory that Garling beat WB on God’s Valley.

 

[Pirate Queen]

It’s a common theory that Garling beat WB on God’s Valley.

A common theory? You can't be serious.
Based on what?

People are just making stuff up.

We don't know if WB was in his prime on God Valley

We don't know how strong Garling is.

We don't know if Garling even fought WB on God Valley

Even if Prime Garling is > Prime WB. Garling would be far removed from Prime so it means nothing.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 11, 2024, Original Post Date: Mar 11, 2024 ---

I've been collecting W's like Thanos collecting Infinity Stones


Hancock hax enough to scare a Yonko
Luffy>Kizaru
Sanji is YC1
Luffy>>Zoro
Dragon is a shit leader

 

[DeadlyBeast]

What if Zoro beats a prime Roger/wb/Garp level fighter (Like say Garling)?

That's a pretty big what if since Zoro is currently nowhere near that level. Also don't think Garling is that strong since even if in his prime he could fight these WB/Roger, the man is old now and would be similar to old WB/old Rayleigh.

But supposing Zoro gets that strong I still think the gap with him and Luffy will be vast. The equivalent using Naruto as a comparison is imagining one of the original rookie genin getting as strong as 3rd Hokage in his prime only for Naruto to turn out to be a demi-god that can walk through all the kage solo. By the end of the story Luffy will be on a level that is going to far surpass WB/Roger.

I also don’t think he’d get stomped currently. Yamato and Law could somewhat hold out against Yonkos and Zoro would be able to do the same.

Current Zoro barely beat King and has been stuck on Lucci for a while. Unless you're going to claim that either King or Lucci could give Kaido a run for his money I think that's a tough sell. As for Yamato and Law I think they are clearly stronger than Zoro right now with the much better feats they have shown in comparison. However, I do think Zoro will surpass Yamato/Law level before getting to Mihawk.

 

[I Am Atomic]

We don't know if Garling even fought WB on God Valley

I think this is why fans think Garling fought WB and gave the scar. But, I am pretty sure it's like a Killer vs Zoro situation. Yes, Killer stabbed Zoro but then proceeds to get destroyed.

Spoiler: Roger or Buggy

Could be Roger or Buggy too

/SPOILER]

 

[LadyVados]

Sanji is YC1

I don’t think his current feats justify that.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 12, 2024, Original Post Date: Mar 12, 2024 ---

That's a pretty big what if since Zoro is currently nowhere near that level. Also don't think Garling is that strong since even if in his prime he could fight these WB/Roger, the man is old now and would be similar to old WB/old Rayleigh.

But supposing Zoro gets that strong I still think the gap with him and Luffy will be vast. The equivalent using Naruto as a comparison is imagining one of the original rookie genin getting as strong as 3rd Hokage in his prime only for Naruto to turn out to be a demi-god that can walk through all the kage solo. By the end of the story Luffy will be on a level that is going to far surpass WB/Roger.


Current Zoro barely beat King and has been stuck on Lucci for a while. Unless you're going to claim that either King or Lucci could give Kaido a run for his money I think that's a tough sell. As for Yamato and Law I think they are clearly stronger than Zoro right now with the much better feats they have shown in comparison. However, I do think Zoro will surpass Yamato/Law level before getting to Mihawk.

Zoro is stronger than King tho, he’s the next tier up, which is where Law and Yamato.

Lucci has better feats than Kidd, no shame in struggling against him a bit. He’s either top of YC1 or bottom of Zoro/Law/Yamato tier. He’s definitely stronger than beginning of Wano Luffy or Katakuri. He could probably box with Kaido for a little bit.

 

[john ellis]

In hindsight this is so fucking funny. What was bro SMOKING

Tbh oden was low call yonko tier and that’s the samurai they met after centeries of being told how strong the samurai were, and according to thete inside sources kaido allied with the shogun of wano he didn’t single handily conquer it. Is likely wano could fend of a yonko easily. Not sure what they think post wano

 

[McNuss]

What an insane claim. What is your basis for this


Luffy is far above Zoro at this point, gap is only going to widen from this point onwards

Zoro has not been challenged by any opponent ever since the timeskip started. Luffy's not even there anymore.

Aren't you the Mihawk is a fraud person? Zoro beat Mihawk within the timeskip already. Powerscaling only makes sense that way. "I'm gonna become King of Hell" confirms that. He already is the strongest swordman. We'll see the fight in a flashback. Only way to make interesting Zoro fights these days.

Post-King Zoro beats Kaido low-diff.

Hancock hax enough to scare a Yonko
Luffy>Kizaru
Sanji is YC1
Luffy>>Zoro
Dragon is a shit leader

Seriously stop using pirate ranks when whe have the freshest arc suggesting the navy system.
Sanji could defeat King low diff just like he did Queen after he powered up. The difference between the two is marginal.

It's fairly likely Sanji at this stage can defeat Admirals.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Zoro has not been challenged by any opponent ever since the timeskip started. Luffy's not even there anymore.

Aren't you the Mihawk is a fraud person? Zoro beat Mihawk within the timeskip already. Powerscaling only makes sense that way. "I'm gonna become King of Hell" confirms that. He already is the strongest swordman. We'll see the fight in a flashback. Only way to make interesting Zoro fights these days.

Post-King Zoro beats Kaido low-diff.

Seriously stop using pirate ranks when whe have the freshest arc suggesting the navy system.
Sanji could defeat King low diff just like he did Queen after he powered up. The difference between the two is marginal.

It's fairly likely Sanji at this stage can defeat Admirals.

I hope you're joking/this is satire. After what we've just seen in Egghead these seem like they are insane claims. Especially Zoro low-diffing Kaido of all people.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro has not been challenged by any opponent ever since the timeskip started. Luffy's not even there anymore.

Aren't you the Mihawk is a fraud person? Zoro beat Mihawk within the timeskip already. Powerscaling only makes sense that way. "I'm gonna become King of Hell" confirms that. He already is the strongest swordman. We'll see the fight in a flashback. Only way to make interesting Zoro fights these days.

Post-King Zoro beats Kaido low-diff.

Seriously stop using pirate ranks when whe have the freshest arc suggesting the navy system.
Sanji could defeat King low diff just like he did Queen after he powered up. The difference between the two is marginal.

It's fairly likely Sanji at this stage can defeat Admirals.

Wow

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 15, 2024, Original Post Date: Mar 15, 2024 ---

I hope you're joking/this is satire. After what we've just seen in Egghead these seem like they are insane claims. Especially Zoro low-diffing Kaido of all people.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

 

[McNuss]

I hope you're joking/this is satire. After what we've just seen in Egghead these seem like they are insane claims. Especially Zoro low-diffing Kaido of all people.

No, I'm pretty serious. All of Zoro's fight resolve around the same formula

Opponent: You can't cut me I dodge/have 8 swords/am steel/my sword is a cloud/am a Giraffe/...have 8 swords/am a giant rock golem/the last survivor of invulnerable people/Rob Lucci
Zoro: Yeah I can't cut you.
*slash*
Zoro: LOL just kidding

When this guy fought a Zombie, his swords set him on fire. Zoro clearly has Nika level hax, awakened when he fought Mr 1, he even realizes so himself, a true swordsman can cut anything. Zoro gets plotkai power-ups one after another! Fights a guy with pistols? His swordstrikes can now fly!

It can be Kaido, Shanks, Roger, Imu...It doesn't matter. The one thing that prevents Zoro from making minced meat out everyone and everything is the fact that he is not the main character.

Zoro is weaker than Nika but certainly stronger than Luffy.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro is weaker than Nika but certainly stronger than Luffy.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Post-1109 tier list

Admirals and Rob Lucci in the same tier

 

[Pirate Queen]

Admirals and Rob Lucci in the same tier

Hancock not at god level has me like*

 

[Rein Avara]

Yeah that tier list is cooked