Smoker: Smoker winning simply because of his logia ability is the same thing for Crocodile or pretty much any Logia user... Their power defines them... Luffy wouldn't really be much post time skip if he wasn't rubber.
I think that when it comes to Luffy vs Smoker it's a special case. Luffy always had trouble with him and his seastone juttle. However, I think that against other opponents Smoker wouldn't have results much better than Luffy.
Vice-Admirals: All Vice-Admirals posses Haki as well as Rokushiki. Moria's power without the aid of minions or massive preparation is very weak. Lucci although possessing Rokushiki he showed no signs of haki & I find it very unlike that he would prevail against a skilled haki users and a veteran fighter such as a Vice-Admiral.
I don't think that Haki automatically turn someone as stronger than Luffy. It's not that rare afterall. All Kuja have it. The Priests have it. Probably all Whitebeard commanders have it.
Also, I must say, it's not because we never saw Crocodile or Moria using it against Luffy that they can't use it. Both are New World veterans who fought against Yonkou back them. Why wouldn't they know Haki?
In fact I bet all Shichibukai can use Haki.
About Moria... he is lazy but he is still strong. He is weaker than the other Shichibukais, but still has his Kage Kage no Mi ability. He can use Shadow Asgard, and also impaled Oars Third (how many marine ships shoot him without any apparent injure?).
Either way, I can't see Moria being defeated by guys which Doflamingo played in the Shichibukai meeting in Marijoya...
Shanks: Shanks stopped Akainu's attack were the entire WB & Allies forces failed... He went toe to toe with whitebeard even if neither was series. This makes him at least admiral level and I see no reason why he would be considered weaker than that by anyone. There is the possibility that he is stronger and as we see more of his powers I will edit his rank accordingly. Same goes for Benn Beckman... As I've stated earlier by his own admission Oda says that Benn Beckman has the highest I.Q of any one piece character along with his position as a Yonkou first-mate and a apparently gifted haki users his position can also only go up from where he is currently ranked.
I bet Beckman is not far from Rayleigh or Marco. But that is purely based on his position as first mate of Shanks. We have not seen he fighting yet.
And Shanks stopped Akainu attack. But a lot of people with Haki did the same. There is nothing that really count to measure his power, yet. Who knows if he guy has eaten a Devil Fruit in the last 10 years or what.
So they may be very strong, but we cannot measure it.
Daz Bones: if you can not cut steel & Do not posses haki Daz Bones in practically untouchable... Turning every part of his body into Blades/Steel and we saw from his fight with Zoro that he has trained his DF ability rigorously being able to reacted to even Zoro's fastest attacks.
Bon Kurea: Bon Kurea although a cool character is a mediocre fighter at best... And without haki he can not touch most other DF users, such as Daz Bones...
Well, I at least did not had the impression of Daz Bones being far from Bon Kurey.
Jimbei & Crocodile Crocodile is bad ass however I don't think he is quite above the level I have him at atm... His lack of haki takes away from his overall ability. Jimbei has only displayed certain abilities and seeing as this list is trying to stay away from building people up on assumptions alone until he shows us more fighting abilities his current rank is sufficient and in no way meant to slander his capabilities I am simply observing the level of a imprisoned, injured, tired and over extended Jimbei.
Well, as I said before, I doubt Crocodile doesn't possess Haki. While there is no proof of it yet, I would avoid using "don't possess Haki" to rank character. =P
Pacifista: I believe you are correct about the pacifista moving to level 6.5 It seems a fitting place for them I was having trouble deciding where they should go seeing as it took the entire SH crew to take down 1 after which they were spent...
According to Sanji, the Pacifista are not behind the real Kuma. At least, they cannot be much far. Other than that, we did not saw many Pacifista being destroyed in Marineford (excluding Hancock). I think I saw 1 being destroyed by a New World pirate, after the Pacifista army killing hundred or thousands of pirates? It's interesting how the author avoided showing a confront beetween important characters and the Pacifista.
Jozu: Is practically in destructable and the only reason why people think he is weaker than Ace is because he lead a higher number division... As from what we saw in the marine ford war the only person that could slow him down was Aokiji and only when he was distracted by the possibility of an Injury to his crew.
Yeah, but we saw him attacking like... 2 times? I personally think Ace is a lot strong, and there is no shame in being behind him
While Jozu is fast while doing a rush attack, he doesn't looks the agile type. Ok, he compensates that by having a diamon armor, quite scary when you think about it.
But what happens if someone can bypass his diamon body? I believe that, along with being distracted, are the reasons why he failed against Aokiji.
Brook, Robin & Franky Are all in the same boat pre-time skip. Their abilities destroy fodder & middle ranking fighters but against top tier fighters. I.E Ryuuma, Moria, Pacifista they really do no significant damage. They are not as weak as the 'weak trio' (Nami, Usopp & Chopper) by far and they don't suffer from those three's fear of everything abnormal (even though they are surrounded by abnormally strong people...) Moving any of them up or down will cause to much decent. Some people think A is stronger while others thing B or even C. Same goes for Sanji & Zoro their opponents are all roughly around the same level so no reason to put any above the others...
The problem with Robin is that after the Baroque Works saga, she did not enter in many battles. She fought against a priest, and was under custody almost all CP9 saga...
But now that you said Moria and Pacifista names... if we look at the fewer panels she did something in these battles it was devastating, i.e. almost breaking Moria's neck and closing the Pacifista mouth while it fires... that's scary!
@Fox
smoker was outclassed by boa easily. he looked like fodder against her. he doesnt have haki which the VAs have. i think youre overrating him.
Well, if you asked me, if it was one of these guys instead of Smoker, Hancock probably would have break their neck
