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[Fallou]

It's momentum, hype etc. It's literally in the gutter.

Which are their major Ls?
- unable to capture a single Shichibukai
- getting clowned by Sabo and co
- an admiral shitting his pants at Shanks' conqueror's haki
- more admiral Ls in the film red (maybe not fully canon, but contributes)

Point was, even with CP0 there, Sabo and his clowns escaped 2 admirals + Kong lmao. That just makes it worse.



Dude has been shown to have insane growth rate.
Went from being fodder to kid Luffy (yea 8 year old Luffy hanging with Ace would no diff BoS Coby), to learning roukushiki techniques within months.

What is even the point of hyping up this dude, hype up his dream of becoming an admiral etc. If all he does is take non stop Ls




New face of marines should be a bunch of fodder and L lords? lmao ok



I don't want any such dynamics, that is something you just assumed. I want "marine protagonists" to not be completely useless fodders.

All of this is very much your own interpretation of events we have not many details about.
GB « shitting his pants » (I mean, just the expression you use shows immense bias, that’s not what happened) sounds pretty normal, given just how badly surrounded he was.

We have no idea just how Sabo escaped the two admirals, but we do know that it happened in the Holyland so there’s a clue right there (maybe they couldn’t go all out over there?)
To the extent of my knowledge, the three admirals are still fine as hell. So again, what major losses ? The pirates lost two Yonko, who did the marine lose, except for some minor assets?
As for Koby, it’s only us that we’re hyped. In the One Piece world, he’s still more or less a nobody, just like Smoker and Drake

 

[grey matter]

@Fallou
To make things a bit more clear.

The issue isn't even that they are taking massive Ls

The issue is that it is happening before their own damn arc.

I'll bring up BP as contrast again,
BP collectively got dumped on by Greenbull. But who cares at that point, BP are defeated. We all knew they were going to prison (be it in Wano or in Impel Down).

But, they didn't get Ls after Ls handed over to them, made their top look incompetent bafoons etc. before and during their own arc.

GB « shitting his pants » (I mean, just the expression you use shows immense bias, that’s not what happened) sounds pretty normal, given just how badly surrounded he was.

That is exactly what happened though. Just look at his expression, him screaming at the conqueror's haki, him raising up his hand like robbers in front of police.

He didn't even realize that it was Shanks when he started freaking out, that realization came later. So the claim that he was afraid of Shanks + his crew is a stretch,

If Oda actually wanted that to be the case, he would've just had Greenbull retreat saying "I'm not ready to face you yet", "I will face you later" or something along those lines and have him plain retreat. He can have GB retreat by saving his face, like what he did for Blackbeard when faced by Shanks and Akainu. But nah, instead he went off like a bafoon.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Marines are not taking massive L at all. Coby is not one of the strongest Marines out there, he is only one of the strongest captains. Coby losing to Hancock is equivalent to one of Kaido’s elite headliners losing to Magellan or an elite Vice-Admiral. It’s no big deal.

 

[Hibari Kyoya]

Coby had 0 chance against Boa Hancock. People massively underestimate her simply because she was a woman and had a frozen 80M bounty. The reality is that:

• She is a martial artist
• She has an incredibly powerful DF
• She has COC
• She didn’t get any damage in Marineford
• She fought both sides in Marineford like Crocodile
• She could 1-shot Pacifista with a simple melee kick
• Vice-Admiral Momonga had to stab himself to save him from her DF power as Haki was not sufficient

She should be stronger than Jinbe who is YC level so my guess is that she is at least YC1 level or stronger.

???

Do you have any evidence for "underestimate her strength because she's a woman" or is this just you making assumptions based on how you perceive the world to be? Maybe it's just because she hasn't fought any strong opponents?

1. No she isn't (until shown otherwise). She is a hand to hand combat fighter who seems to specialise in kicking. A Martial Art is something else entirely. E.g. Okama Kenpo.
2. It's powerful to weak enemies. Literally would offer her nothing against a formidable opponent. Kind of like Jinbe's resistance to Big Mom's DF. An incredibly powerful DF is...Akainu's...Enel's....Mallagan's....Whitebeards's....etc.
3. CoC doesn't automatically make you YC1 level. It is an ability that can either be meh (only good for dealing with many fodder enemies via Haki Burst) or OP (advanced CoC).
4. Same applies to a lot of people, Vista took no injuries, is he as strong or stronger than Katakuri (YC1)? I could give much weaker examples than Vista.
5. So could Sanji post-timeskip? I don't think anyone thinks Sanji immediately after the timeskip is YC1 level.
6. He's only a Vice-Admiral? Other than Garp there is no Vice Admiral at YC1 level or above. Not sure how this is a feat relevant to your power claims.

 

[HakunaMatata]

Dude has been shown to have insane growth rate.
Went from being fodder to kid Luffy (yea 8 year old Luffy hanging with Ace would no diff BoS Coby), to learning roukushiki techniques within months.

What is even the point of hyping up this dude, hype up his dream of becoming an admiral etc. If all he does is take non stop Ls

Well he's not the only one with insane growth. Law lost against Dofla and look at him now...
Ever since post Enies Lobby we've seen that Koby's still far from Luffy's level.

New face of marines should be a bunch of fodder and L lords? lmao ok

Yeah they're lame right now, I'm talking about after some timeskip. I mean who would be the face of the marine then?
Issho, Ao Kiji and them. Who else not insignificant is shown as the good cops?

I don't want any such dynamics, that is something you just assumed. I want "marine protagonists" to not be completely useless fodders.

My bad, I thought I read that from one of your previous posts.

Drake, Kobe and Smokey are all minor marines anyway. They’re mostly like minor Yonko executives (aka below Sweet commanders or All stars). Their loss is no more relevant to the Navy as a whole than if Who’s Who or Brûlée had lost but the rest of their crew had survived.

I wouldn't describe them as minor. I don't think that's how Oda wants to depict them.
They are the good side of the marine, they will play a role in due time. It's a shame that Smoker and Drake can't get shit done though. But Boa is too much for Koby.
He should try someone like Snack for now.

 

[Fallou]

@Fallou
To make things a bit more clear.

The issue isn't even that they are taking massive Ls

The issue is that it is happening before their own damn arc.

I'll bring up BP as contrast again,
BP collectively got dumped on by Greenbull. But who cares at that point, BP are defeated. We all knew they were going to prison (be it in Wano or in Impel Down).

But, they didn't get Ls after Ls handed over to them, made their top look incompetent bafoons etc. before and during their own arc.



That is exactly what happened though. Just look at his expression, him screaming at the conqueror's haki, him raising up his hand like robbers in front of police.

He didn't even realize that it was Shanks when he started freaking out, that realization came later. So the claim that he was afraid of Shanks + his crew is a stretch,

If Oda actually wanted that to be the case, he would've just had Greenbull retreat saying "I'm not ready to face you yet", "I will face you later" or something along those lines and have him plain retreat. He can have GB retreat by saving his face, like what he did for Blackbeard when faced by Shanks and Akainu. But nah, instead he went off like a bafoon.

I’m really still not convinced haha
Mainly because you still can’t name one major loss (as in, a major marine lost a battle) they’ve taken.
So let’s agree to not agree

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Well he's not the only one with insane growth. Law lost against Dofla and look at him now...
Ever since post Enies Lobby we've seen that Koby's still far from Luffy's level.



Yeah they're lame right now, I'm talking about after some timeskip. I mean who would be the face of the marine then?
Issho, Ao Kiji and them. Who else not insignificant is shown as the good cops?



My bad, I thought I read that from one of your previous posts.



I wouldn't describe them as minor. I don't think that's how Oda wants to depict them.
They are the good side of the marine, they will play a role in due time. It's a shame that Smoker and Drake can't get shit done though. But Boa is too much for Koby.
He should try someone like Snack for now.

I would say that in terms of military power, they’re not that great. Just like the Tobi Roppo or lower BM executives. Strong guys, but can be replaced easily. Storywise, though, I agree they’re anything but minor

 

[Josef]

These have not been confirmed as of yet.

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

Marco won't join, he'll just ally himself / WB pirates with SHGF.

Weevil will show up, Luffy will beat him up, they'll learn a bit more about Rox from Weevils mum somehow.

Luffy will finally be able to pay his respects to his late brother.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Hmmm new hint implies Rayleigh versus Blackbeard , Gahdamn

 

[Neala897]

Hmmm new hint implies Rayleigh versus Blackbeard , Gahdamn

It was wrong master figure all along lol

 

[ShadowHeart]

No.

I bet the bending the knee gif is about Boa.

The Sasuke hint.

 

[kkck]

This is why, if anything, I think she'll join the revolutionary army. The RA will add to the island's defenses while they will benefit from her intelligence, both as a former Shichibukai and a former slave.

I suppose that depends on how the RA operates? I am not under the impression the RA simply has armies it can station at will at locations it can protect indefinitely. Also... being a shichibukai wouldn't specially grant hancock any particular intelligence. The only time she ever cooperated with the WG was when she appeared in marineford and even that was under false pretenses. It'd be interesting if she knows anything about majoroa though it'd be something she learned... 20 years ago?

 

[Nikaboy]

Nice !! Learning more about the holy knights will be awesome imo

 

[Pirate Queen]

Spoilers have Rayliegh with Hancock?





Please confirm Redon!

 

[Ero-Sanji]

I suppose that depends on how the RA operates? I am not under the impression the RA simply has armies it can station at will at locations it can protect indefinitely. Also... being a shichibukai wouldn't specially grant hancock any particular intelligence. The only time she ever cooperated with the WG was when she appeared in marineford and even that was under false pretenses. It'd be interesting if she knows anything about majoroa though it'd be something she learned... 20 years ago?

That's a fair question, but one would assume that they do seeing as their MO is to liberate WG territory and their commanders are stationed at each sea while being in control over what has been described as armies. Now, as for the intelligence, Kuma joined the WG as a warlord specifically for the reason to act as a double agent. We've also seen other Shichibukai use their privileges in order to gain access to places where non-government adjacent people aren't allowed.

However, Boa has stated that her intentions of joining the WG was to protect her people and seeing as how lazy/disinterested she were in the meetings she might not have been interested in WG-business at all. Also, seeing how Kuma is now at the hands of the RA again, I believe anything she has to say would be redundant.

I do still believe that the two factions would benefit from each other seeing as she was a former slave and her island needs protection and the RA should welcome a former warlord and her entire sovereign island with open arms.

 

[kkck]

That's a fair question, but one would assume that they do seeing as their MO is to liberate WG territory and their commanders are stationed at each sea while being in control over what has been described as armies. Now, as for the intelligence, Kuma joined the WG as a warlord specifically for the reason to act as a double agent. We've also seen other Shichibukai use their privileges in order to gain access to places where non-government adjacent people aren't allowed.

However, Boa has stated that her intentions of joining the WG was to protect her people and seeing as how lazy/disinterested she were in the meetings she might not have been interested in WG-business at all. Also, seeing how Kuma is now at the hands of the RA again, I believe anything she has to say would be redundant.

I do still believe that the two factions would benefit from each other seeing as she was a former slave and her island needs protection and the RA should welcome a former warlord and her entire sovereign island with open arms.

Hmmm, it seems a bit extreme that they would arbitrarily be able to place forces at places at the place's convenience. My read on this was more like the RA provided support to countries that wanted to defect the WG but otherwise the countries themselves did the bulk of the fighting. It's also worth noting that in most places armies are comparatively weak and for the most part are not equipped to deal with individuals who have some measure of power. As in, pekoms can probably solo the entirety of the armies in alabasta from 2 years ago. In that sense providing support via strong individuals who aren't necessarily at the yonko executive level seems more reasonable. Of course, armies probably also do play into this but those would be more expensive, riskier and logistically complicated.

To me it's a bit of a reach that the RA would welcome pirates. I suppose it depends? The RA is in it for ideological reasons and ideals. Pirates are selfish and self serving. Barring a few exceptions I don't think they necessarily make for reliable allies. In the context of hancock... It wasn't that long ago that the WG demanded her to join the war effort or lose his shichibukai status and her answer to the WG was basically somewhere between "how dare you even speak to me" and "go fuck yourself with the hottest of rods". It's almost a hard sell that hancock's reaction to the RA would be any different. Though her sisters and the old lady might be able to broker something..

 

[grey matter]

Marines are not taking massive L at all. Coby is not one of the strongest Marines out there, he is only one of the strongest captains. Coby losing to Hancock is equivalent to one of Kaido’s elite headliners losing to Magellan or an elite Vice-Admiral. It’s no big deal.

At some point, the streak of Ls just adds up.

When was the last time marines/govt had a W?
Yeah right, need to go back to Marineford, it has all been Ls since then.

For Coby's sake, I hope she's someone strong like YC1-2 tier, or else he is completely donezo as a character, just like Smoker is.

I’m really still not convinced haha
Mainly because you still can’t name one major loss (as in, a major marine lost a battle) they’ve taken.
So let’s agree to not agree

Well, we consider "major" differently.
These Ls were major enough for Akainu to get pissed, as well as restart the whole Yonko >>> admiral talk.

Sure, let's agree to disagree lol

Well he's not the only one with insane growth. Law lost against Dofla and look at him now...
Ever since post Enies Lobby we've seen that Koby's still far from Luffy's level.

Law takes Ls once a while, but he also gets to look impressive more often than not.

Coby on the other hand, gets some hype and then always take the L. The dude is a complete loser.

Yeah they're lame right now, I'm talking about after some timeskip. I mean who would be the face of the marine then?
Issho, Ao Kiji and them. Who else not insignificant is shown as the good cops?

Yeah, they probably would be the face of the marines, and that would be the final L in the coffin of marine credibility. Bunch of L lords will be leading the marines lmao.

Sengoku and Garp as well. At least those dudes, and the two admirals, are respectable.

My bad, I thought I read that from one of your previous posts.

NP, this is my stance on that topic anyway

Well, I don't think Luffy necessarily need to have his Garp, there is no need for parallel here, doesn't fit IMO. Garp was more of an equal to Roger than his fanboy.

 

[ShadowHeart]

What happened to that Korean dude?

 

[Pirate Queen]

What happened to that Korean dude?

Prison for leaking

Joking

 

[Organizized]