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[Bradhimself]

Are u on smoke?
U compare Vuvi with Yamato?
Yamato can fight, how far Vuvi can?
Yamato know what Luffy really dream, what vivi know about it?
Yamato want follow Oden dream, what really Vivi dream?

What the fuck Vivi value join the SH.

Man I already answered all of these questions in some form or another except for "Are u on smoke?" to which the answer is, yes.

I will just break down each character's points so I can stop this debate, make up your own mind.

Yamato:

• Can Fight
• Knows Luffy's dream
• Wants to be like Oden and sail with the pirate king.
• Said she would sail with Luffy. (Then didn't)

Vivi:

• Already a Strawhat.
• Already has a bond with the crew.
• Is a D.
• Father is killed by Luffy's inevitable final fight.
• Has plot significance and relevance. (Imu is obsessed, has her picture and won't stop mentioning her Ancestor Lili who looks just like her.)
• Already wanted by the WG so she can actually get a bounty, basically a Pirate.
• Can also fight (People forget Baroque works! She was a leader like Robin).

Her value is value to the story, She is a D and wanted by Imu as is Luffy and Blackbeard.

Her dream/resolve is to find out the truth that Cobra died trying to. Avenge her father and inherit the will of her ancestor. Imu likely wants her to pay for Lili's "mistake", I don't see Luffy not being there for that. It's literally the past playing out again.

Imu, Joyboy (Luffy), Lili (Vivi).

Right now she is with Morgans, unless she goes to the RA, she is going to the Strawhats, she has nowhere else.

The plot has moved on from Yamato except the cover stories.

The plot is moving back to Vivi Who is already a Straw Hat! The direction of the story is going to Vivi.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 1, 2024, Original Post Date: Oct 1, 2024 ---

I do agree that would be a pretty lackluster cause for someone to join, especially after Jinbe joined with the hopes that him joining would get him closer to the resolution of getting slavery and war between fish-men and humans to disappear.

I personally think it's not too late for Oda to still develop Yamato with more purpose. He's going to have to answer up to that soon given the cover story and Blackbeard possibly coming to Wano because of Caribou's info anyway.

And in the event Oda gives more purpose, such as searching for the missing answers for Momo regarding Joy Boy and such, then all the better. If not, then I'll apologize for being wrong then.

Yeah, for Oda to redo Yamato joining there has to be plot involved. Like Pluton being taken and Momo injured to a weakened state or something, she is then on a mission to get it back or avenge Momo or something.

I am not saying he couldn't do it. Hell Brook joined on a whim and Yamato has more lead up. It would just have to line up with the direction of the story and not some random asspull to have her join, there has to be substance and need.

But with the current flow of the story, It is likely another member of the weakling trio will be added until the final part of the plot starts unfolding, then it is the past repeating but this time Joyboy wins.

 

[Vanshrimp]

RPG could mean multiple kingdoms, (perhaps the 9 realms of yggdrasil...) so it looks like elbaf is going to be a combination of sub mini arcs...

 

[electricmastro]

RPG could mean multiple kingdoms, (perhaps the 9 realms of yggdrasil...) so it looks like elbaf is going to be a combination of sub mini arcs...

Would be a nice way to give the arc more variety, since constantly seeing big houses, big trees, and big rocks would get repetitive.

 

[baditz]

Man I already answered all of these questions in some form or another except for "Are u on smoke?" to which the answer is, yes.

I will just break down each character's points so I can stop this debate, make up your own mind.

Yamato:

• Can Fight
• Knows Luffy's dream
• Wants to be like Oden and sail with the pirate king.
• Said she would sail with Luffy. (Then didn't)

Vivi:

• Already a Strawhat.
• Already has a bond with the crew.
• Is a D.
• Father is killed by Luffy's inevitable final fight.
• Has plot significance and relevance. (Imu is obsessed, has her picture and won't stop mentioning her Ancestor Lili who looks just like her.)
• Already wanted by the WG so she can actually get a bounty, basically a Pirate.
• Can also fight (People forget Baroque works! She was a leader like Robin).

Her value is value to the story, She is a D and wanted by Imu as is Luffy and Blackbeard.

Her dream/resolve is to find out the truth that Cobra died trying to. Avenge her father and inherit the will of her ancestor. Imu likely wants her to pay for Lili's "mistake", I don't see Luffy not being there for that. It's literally the past playing out again.

Imu, Joyboy (Luffy), Lili (Vivi).

Right now she is with Morgans, unless she goes to the RA, she is going to the Strawhats, she has nowhere else.

The plot has moved on from Yamato except the cover stories.

The plot is moving back to Vivi Who is already a Straw Hat! The direction of the story is going to Vivi.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 1, 2024, Original Post Date: Oct 1, 2024 ---

Yeah, for Oda to redo Yamato joining there has to be plot involved. Like Pluton being taken and Momo injured to a weakened state or something, she is then on a mission to get it back or avenge Momo or something.

I am not saying he couldn't do it. Hell Brook joined on a whim and Yamato has more lead up. It would just have to line up with the direction of the story and not some random asspull to have her join, there has to be substance and need.

But with the current flow of the story, It is likely another member of the weakling trio will be added until the final part of the plot starts unfolding, then it is the past repeating but this time Joyboy wins.

Bond with half SH members? While Yamato alredy befriend with whole SH,,
She have D? So what she not the inly want have, want revange to WG? Theres a ton who want revange, even Bonney has more grudge to WG rather than her,,
She part SH? Lol she no different with momo,,
U ask what Yamato role in ship? Then what Vivi role in ship? Chore girl? What else she can do n relate to story w/o whole her kingdom? None, rhats why she will connect ti final war as Queen albasta, not as SH.

 

[Core D. Roy]

I don't understand why Vivi is somehow mutually exclusive to Yamato. It seems obvious to me anyways that the Sunny's going to have a shit ton of people on it at some point for the final journey.

 

[Bradhimself]

I don't understand why Vivi is somehow mutually exclusive to Yamato. It seems obvious to me anyways that the Sunny's going to have a shit ton of people on it at some point for the final journey.

It honestly baffles me when I try to comprehend Oda drawing the final war. The sheer amount of characters at play, the scale of the environment, the story lines.. He will need a huge break before tackling that!

 

[Fox666]

It honestly baffles me when I try to comprehend Oda drawing the final war. The sheer amount of characters at play, the scale of the environment, the story lines.. He will need a huge break before tackling that!

Wasn't it already like that during the Marineford arc?

Except it will be Luffy taking Whitebeard's place. And instead of the commanders and allies of Whitebeard, which were new characters at the time, now they will be characters which Luffy meet through the story

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

Wasn't it already like that during the Marineford arc?

Except it will be Luffy taking Whitebeard's place. And instead of the commanders and allies of Whitebeard, which were new characters at the time, now they will be characters which Luffy meet through the story

And more if I'm honest. It won't just be people that Luffy interacted with, it will be people that have heard of Luffy, have the same ideals or he has inspired to take action.

Former members of other pirate groups and organisations possibly.

Mihawk said it: Luffy's greatest power is to bring people to his side.
And I BET you, marines alike will join him. SWORD members especially, but others who's morality is high.

 

[Core D. Roy]

It honestly baffles me when I try to comprehend Oda drawing the final war. The sheer amount of characters at play, the scale of the environment, the story lines.. He will need a huge break before tackling that!

I caught up at Kaidou's introduction chapter, so the ENTIRE time I've been taking this story seriously it's been hot off the heels of Doffy officially foreshadowing the Throne War and wondering just how tf Oda is going to pull it off within an even remotely reasonable time frame. I've been noodling around with the possibility that Elbaf isn't going to be a straight up beginning-middle-end arc like Wano, and like halfway through Elbaf Arc it's just going to spill over into the rest of the geopolitical conflict that's about to erupt. Kinda like the transition between Impel Down and Marineford.

 

[electricmastro]

Bond with half SH members? While Yamato alredy befriend with whole SH,,
She have D? So what she not the inly want have, want revange to WG? Theres a ton who want revange, even Bonney has more grudge to WG rather than her,,
She part SH? Lol she no different with momo,,
U ask what Yamato role in ship? Then what Vivi role in ship? Chore girl? What else she can do n relate to story w/o whole her kingdom? None, rhats why she will connect ti final war as Queen albasta, not as SH.

People can doubt and underestimate Oda all they want. I'm pretty excited for Vivi and Yamato to reunite with Straw Hats, and am likely going to be happy with the best decisions Oda goes with.

 

[Fox666]

Vivi will join. She cannot return to her kingdom. Plus the Vivre Card numbers already spoiled her as a Straw Hat.

 

[electricmastro]

Vivi will join. She cannot return to her kingdom. Plus the Vivre Card numbers already spoiled her as a Straw Hat.

I suppose we can expect dramatic panels showing the process of her leaving her kingdom behind then.

 

[Organizized]

Vivi rejoining has been a sure thing in my mind for years and years anyway. I'm more worried about how Karoo is gonna be able to get back to the crew. He's our nakama too, damn it!

 

[electricmastro]

Vivi rejoining has been a sure thing in my mind for years and years anyway. I'm more worried about how Karoo is gonna be able to get back to the crew. He's our nakama too, damn it!

I still figure Vivi would only be around temporarily given her dedication to Alabasta, but again, I can be proven wrong on that.

Is interesting how Oda has started the Elbaf arc without her though. She still hasn’t gotten the chance to reunite with Dorry and Brogy.

 

[Bandit99]

Vivi won’t join the crew. We don’t need another weakling that needs saving/protection from the stronger members.

 

[Bradhimself]

Vivi won’t join the crew. We don’t need another weakling that needs saving/protection from the stronger members.

She isn't weak though. Her latest feat of strength was her jumping down from that really high crow's nest and sticking the landing without any discomfort. Pretty sure that was included to show her still growing in ability.

And she is setup for a confrontation with Imu.. so there's the reason why Oda showed her increased physical ability. I think she sits in the same category as Robin, Franky and Brook.

 

[baditz]

She isn't weak though. Her latest feat of strength was her jumping down from that really high crow's nest and sticking the landing without any discomfort. Pretty sure that was included to show her still growing in ability.

And she is setup for a confrontation with Imu.. so there's the reason why Oda showed her increased physical ability. I think she sits in the same category as Robin, Franky and Brook.

She cannot even defeat Rebecca, n u already talk as she if worth a fighter in new world level,,
We have candidate like Rebecca, Carot, Yamato, Lilith, Bonney, Even if Pudding,,
But still thing Yamato worth as man power in ship? Already enough have Ussop as weak as, no need anymore.

 

[LJkAze]

I don't understand the Vivi slander that is still going on to this day. The 2 most talked about topic when comes to Vivi is she is weak and she has a kingdom to run. It's like people not reading the story and making useless excuses for her not to join so that their favorite other candidate can join. We all can't be or say for sure she is weak if we don't know what kinda training she gotten the past 2 years from Pell and Chaka. Also I have stated this many time but if you slap the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi or Logia Fruit on her she'll be as strong. There is no Kingdom to run when Imu is targeting and wants her and also the one that gonna run Arabasta is Koza in the future and not Vivi.

I understand back in the 1st chapter Luffy said he wants 10 men but can we stop with this thinking thou? Kin'emon, Momo, Carrot, Yamato, Bonney, Lilith, Vivi are all gonna be Straw Hats and i'm even gonna add Law & Hancock.

 

[electricmastro]

Yamato

Man, it's gonna be so good when Yamato actually gets to party with the crew outside of Wano.

Momo's powering up can't come soon enough!

 

[Bradhimself]

She cannot even defeat Rebecca, n u already talk as she if worth a fighter in new world level,,
We have candidate like Rebecca, Carot, Yamato, Lilith, Bonney, Even if Pudding,,
But still thing Yamato worth as man power in ship? Already enough have Ussop as weak as, no need anymore.

I just said she wasn't weak. That's all. Anything else is your addition.

And since when has Man power been a qualifier to join?

Luffy has a Grand Fleet and forms temporary alliances to achieve the goal needed for that arc.

It makes more sense that IF another Strawhat is to be added this late in the story, that they have a narrative purpose rather than "Can fight good".

That's why I believe it will be Vivi as opposed to anyone else.

Also to add. Up until this point the Strawhats have been climbing their way up one Island at a time. There is going to become a time where they reach the world stage and what they stand for will have to reach the world to have a reasonable impact on a more political scale. After all that IS a part of the world of One Piece, the politics that the world runs on will come into play.. We know Dragon has been playing that angle for the most part, inciting their own people to stand up to tyranny.

That is the role Vivi can play for the Strawhats, she is well known and has experience dealing with the politics of a country.

This will be a part of the story, and Vivi is perfect to represent the Strawhats and also the inherited will of D.

I can't see anything as important for Yamato.