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Funniest thing about hints and spoilers is that if we suddenly stop getting those, we will "suffer" for 5 days once and then will be getting weekly doses of chapters as usual. It could even be better if spoilers did not muddle the experience of reading a chapter.

So I'm not sure what "value" are we actually getting here. Biggest reason I probably read hints/spoilers is not to miss on initial discussions here.

It happened once or twice when after spoilers I even forgot or didn't care enough to read the chapter.
 

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Funniest thing about hints and spoilers is that if we suddenly stop getting those, we will "suffer" for 5 days once and then will be getting weekly doses of chapters as usual. It could even be better if spoilers did not muddle the experience of reading a chapter.

So I'm not sure what "value" are we actually getting here. Biggest reason I probably read hints/spoilers is not to miss on initial discussions here.

It happened once or twice when after spoilers I even forgot or didn't care enough to read the chapter.
i see it as just a preference, it's not really a value assessment. it's not +1 or -1 to the experience, just a different flavor of enjoying media.

yeah i'll do the same thing, functionally with every part of the release process, you're reading the chapter like four different times in some capacity. typically once an arc is getting to the 3/4 point, I'll binge the whole arc at once to tie up any loose ends I only vaguely remember from reading spoilers and forgetting to read the fan translation and/or the official translation days later.
 

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I always felt that Oda would be open to others expanding on his material, either him in an advisory role or even people expanding on it even long after the fact. It might sound absurd until one takes into account things like One Piece fan letter. I dunno, there's prob lots fo stuff Oda will never touch on that other writers will always be happy to expand on if they're ever given the chance.
Just adding onto this because man, there's tons of things that Oda has already done in terms of expansion.
Want more Ace? One pIece Novel A which was then later adapted by Boichi. Also on that note, I don't think it's a coincidence that Rocks has the design elements of a Dr Stone character, from multicolored paper-like hair to a distinct crack-like scar.

Want more Law? One Piece Novel Law

Want more cute side stories with the girls? One Piece Novel Heroines, which charted very well in the light novel market.

Oda has the benefit of the Shonen Jump novelization architecture, and he has all the resources to outline and then hand off and then profit.
Already, One Piece has a very expanded universe from just the supervised works. Now, will One Piece ever have a novel on par with Bleach's Can't Fear Your Own World? It really depends on if Jump can bring Ryogo Narita or Kazuma Kamachi in. They're probably the only authors in the light novel scene that could exploit the maximum narrative potential that the One Piece setting has.


One more thing on this point is that the enemy of the expanded universe is Oda's own lack of timeline management. Which, interestingly, is a problem that's systemic in Shonen Jump. But yeah, because of how tight everything is in One Piece's timeline, the expanded materials can't breathe as easily as the Hero Academia movies can. Pre Timeskip all happening over the course of a few months, and being less than a year is the biggest hurdle is one of the most obvious effects of the timeline mismanagement.
 

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It's just me or this week the spoilers are a little late?
 

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I wanted to ask the same thing, are we getting spoilers today?
 

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Regarding the Yami Yami no Mi.
One thing that is very evident is Yami means Darkness.
Darkness is pretty much the worst name for this fruit for a reason... it's actually a Black hole.

Darkness does not suck in light, nor does it exert a gravitational pull.... so maybe it has a different name that would actually call it a Black hole? Or there is some sort of deity that has the power of a black hole like Nika (being rubber), and maybe it also gives the use ability to have 2 DFs.

I personally think his ability to take in 2 DFs is he's probably got 2 hearts, or he's somehow 2 people physically (not mentally) in 1 body. Luffy also referred to him as "they" implying if taken literally, he's calling him 2 people at least.
It's actually really interesting, Hannibal. Darkness and its offshoot, Shadow, are so commonly associated with drawing things in or consuming things that it works.

Final Fantasy's Demi spell is a gravity spell with darkness coloring.

Yami in Black Clover has his darkness element associated with gravity attacks.

Bleach's Kyoraku has him dissappearing into the shadows he casts and of course, we have the idea of a pocket dimension within the shadows/darkness

In Fairy Tail, having shadow magic gives access to sinking into the darkness of a shadow and drawing people in.

Jujutsu kaisen's Megumi uses the storage component.


Point is, the "sucking in" component is assocated to superpower darkness across fiction. The gravity stuff though, I do suspect that final fantasy's demi is the one that influenced the gravity factor that some authors then adapted into it.
 

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Seems like the leaks make Navy look good and that's why there late
 

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It's actually really interesting, Hannibal. Darkness and its offshoot, Shadow, are so commonly associated with drawing things in or consuming things that it works.

Final Fantasy's Demi spell is a gravity spell with darkness coloring.

Yami in Black Clover has his darkness element associated with gravity attacks.

Bleach's Kyoraku has him dissappearing into the shadows he casts and of course, we have the idea of a pocket dimension within the shadows/darkness

In Fairy Tail, having shadow magic gives access to sinking into the darkness of a shadow and drawing people in.

Jujutsu kaisen's Megumi uses the storage component.


Point is, the "sucking in" component is assocated to superpower darkness across fiction. The gravity stuff though, I do suspect that final fantasy's demi is the one that influenced the gravity factor that some authors then adapted into it.
Black Holes define everything about Blackbeard's fruit:
  1. Light can't escape it
  2. Gravitational pull
  3. It's pretty much just darkness
My point is Darkness doesn't exert gravity, Black holes do. And in fact, Blackbeard has a move called "Burakku Hōru" which means Blackhole. And another technique called "KUROZU" which means Black spiral or Black vortex which are features of Blackholes.

More so with the fact his body sucks in everything... something a Blackhole would do which is why his intangibility is useless because even pain gets absorbed.
I think this is just Oda applying actually physics to a power... thus why it's a Logia... Blackholes are things that come from nature.
 

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Black Holes define everything about Blackbeard's fruit:
  1. Light can't escape it
  2. Gravitational pull
  3. It's pretty much just darkness
My point is Darkness doesn't exert gravity, Black holes do. And in fact, Blackbeard has a move called "Burakku Hōru" which means Blackhole. And another technique called "KUROZU" which means Black spiral or Black vortex which are features of Blackholes.

More so with the fact his body sucks in everything... something a Blackhole would do which is why his intangibility is useless because even pain gets absorbed.
I think this is just Oda applying actually physics to a power... thus why it's a Logia... Blackholes are things that come from nature.
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the association between darkness and gravity was pre-existing in Japanese culture and that it's cool. In the same way that Kizaru's light is the physical expression and not the symbolic expression, darkness took the physical expression of the only darkness that isn't just the absense of light.
 

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Funniest thing about hints and spoilers is that if we suddenly stop getting those, we will "suffer" for 5 days once and then will be getting weekly doses of chapters as usual. It could even be better if spoilers did not muddle the experience of reading a chapter.

So I'm not sure what "value" are we actually getting here. Biggest reason I probably read hints/spoilers is not to miss on initial discussions here.

It happened once or twice when after spoilers I even forgot or didn't care enough to read the chapter.
The step almost like,,
Mon-tue = spoiler reaction/hint
Wed-thu = short summary
Thur = long summary
Friday = raw - real chap
Sun - mon = official chap drop,,
Its just full circle for OP addict waiting for it.
 

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So if one of two Devil Fruits needed to destroy the Holy Land was in Elbaf, and Loki ate it, then Loki would have to join the crew, in order to defeat the Holy Land and Imu once and for all, right
 

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So if one of two Devil Fruits needed to destroy the Holy Land was in Elbaf, and Loki ate it, then Loki would have to join the crew, in order to defeat the Holy Land and Imu once and for all, right
Oda has left enough hints for us to guess what's going to happen. There will be a great war. The giants will pick a side (most likely SH side). The giants will probably be lead by Hajrudin or Loki. I dont see Loki joining the crew. You guys say this for every new character that pops up every arc any way, they are going to join the crew... Last one being Bonney. I guess you guys have switched to Loki now.
 

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Oda has left enough hints for us to guess what's going to happen. There will be a great war. The giants will pick a side (most likely SH side). The giants will probably be lead by Hajrudin or Loki. I dont see Loki joining the crew. You guys say this for every new character that pops up every arc any way, they are going to join the crew... Last one being Bonney. I guess you guys have switched to Loki now.
Bonney has such a tearjerkfest of a flashback though. I just watched anime version and ran out of paper towels. Again.

Another option for Giants is to split into two groups: one joining BB under Loki, another joining Luffy under Hajrudin.
 

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Heard that chapter spoilers might come early due to a magazine break. Any update on that yet?
 

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Heard that chapter spoilers might come early due to a magazine break. Any update on that yet?
Leakers have been getting more cautious with Jump breaks lately, so I think we'll have to wait until next week for spoilers.
 

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Funniest thing about hints and spoilers is that if we suddenly stop getting those, we will "suffer" for 5 days once and then will be getting weekly doses of chapters as usual. It could even be better if spoilers did not muddle the experience of reading a chapter.

So I'm not sure what "value" are we actually getting here. Biggest reason I probably read hints/spoilers is not to miss on initial discussions here.

It happened once or twice when after spoilers I even forgot or didn't care enough to read the chapter.
True.. I didn't read ch. 1156...reading hints and spoilers was enough for me.. Lol.. Am here for ch. 1157 hints and spoilers.
 

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Funniest thing about hints and spoilers is that if we suddenly stop getting those, we will "suffer" for 5 days once and then will be getting weekly doses of chapters as usual. It could even be better if spoilers did not muddle the experience of reading a chapter.

So I'm not sure what "value" are we actually getting here. Biggest reason I probably read hints/spoilers is not to miss on initial discussions here.

It happened once or twice when after spoilers I even forgot or didn't care enough to read the chapter.
There is a value to hints and spoilers - discussions that are more free to be imaginative since early hints aren't concrete enough to rule out a bunch of ideas. The nature of discussions pre and post chapter do differ and each brings its own type of fun. Plus people get to make guesses about the chapter that they can get confirmation on pretty quickly versus the guesses made post chapter which we generally need to wait longer term since we never know when Oda will actually address things that are brought during the chapter.

On the other hand I do completely get your sentiment. I honestly have not experienced a time where there was no form of spoiler whatsoever so its hard to imagine what those discussions would be like either.
 

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There is a value to hints and spoilers - discussions that are more free to be imaginative since early hints aren't concrete enough to rule out a bunch of ideas. The nature of discussions pre and post chapter do differ and each brings its own type of fun. Plus people get to make guesses about the chapter that they can get confirmation on pretty quickly versus the guesses made post chapter which we generally need to wait longer term since we never know when Oda will actually address things that are brought during the chapter.

On the other hand I do completely get your sentiment. I honestly have not experienced a time where there was no form of spoiler whatsoever so its hard to imagine what those discussions would be like either.
Agreed especially on the part how it‘s enjoyable when you quickly get your confirmation on hint and early spoiler guesses. The thing that‘s recently saddening me is that we get a lot of ranting on the hints. I mean yeah they are frequently vague and Redon‘s hype posts are repetetive (but Elbaf is an outstanding arc) and yet I enjoy this part when we make wild, fun and occasionally totally off guesses on the hints. Maybe that’s just me but I prefer creative discussions about finding new aspects over comments like “WTF is this hint supposed to mean??“.
 
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Is there a break this week?
 
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