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Isn't it the soot logia?
Soot logia? Then why he turn into flock of ravens instead of uhh, some dirty smoke or something like that? Unless the ravens are made of soot? I don't know, I still can't understand his power. 🤷🏻‍♀️
 

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Soot logia? Then why he turn into flock of ravens instead of uhh, some dirty smoke or something like that? Unless the ravens are made of soot? I don't know, I still can't understand his power. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Yeah it doesn't make much sense but I guess that goes for most powers in One Piece.
 

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Yeah it doesn't make much sense but I guess that goes for most powers in One Piece.
Well most of logias seem quite straightforward: it's fire, thunder, mud, smoke and so on. But Karasus logia is super weird because soot is basically dirt that is left behind by burning down something and he turn into RAVENS not soot. I mean it wouldn't be very cool or usefull (probably) if he just turned into some post burn dirt but it's still weird that he can turn into flock of birds.
 

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You would need to arguably only like the first 95 chapters (end of Arlong Park arc) since that's as close to normal as Luffy has looked... because from then onwards, it's hard to defend any of Luffy's survival as due to his intelligence, strength or planning. Luck can only be a factor so many times before it's not just luck anymore if it's happening every arc.
I mean, the luck starts in the beginning of the series when he just stumbles into eating a devil fruit (which at the time were considered so rare that most people weren’t even sure if they existed or not) that made him immune to anything other than blades or elemental attacks.
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Soot logia? Then why he turn into flock of ravens instead of uhh, some dirty smoke or something like that? Unless the ravens are made of soot? I don't know, I still can't understand his power. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Seems like a stylistic choice, like Akainu making magma fists instead of just blobs of magma, or Kizaru making his light saber look like a sword instead of just a beam of light.
 

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I mean, the luck starts in the beginning of the series when he just stumbles into eating a devil fruit (which at the time were considered so rare that most people weren’t even sure if they existed or not) that made him immune to anything other than blades or elemental attacks.
Not sure I'd call eating a fruit luck.
At the start of the series, being lucky is not out of the normal, it's just that if luck is occurring too often, then the idea that Luffy is normal just stops making sense.
 

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Not sure I'd call eating a fruit luck.
At the start of the series, being lucky is not out of the normal, it's just that if luck is occurring too often, then the idea that Luffy is normal just stops making sense.
He lucked into super powers, which eventually got to be revealed even more super than originally thought, but even if he never mastered his fruit enough to to base gattlings, axes, pistol, or even just stretching his arm out to grab things, just being bullet/cannonball proof is a great power. To use actual super heroes as an example, it’s like Hal Jordan just happening to be there to get the Green Lantern ring, whatever the Blue Beetle’s name is getting the scarab, or Superman just happening to get launched at a planet with a sun that makes him one of the strongest people in the multiverse.

And Luffy has never been normal.
 

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Well most of logias seem quite straightforward: it's fire, thunder, mud, smoke and so on. But Karasus logia is super weird because soot is basically dirt that is left behind by burning down something and he turn into RAVENS not soot. I mean it wouldn't be very cool or usefull (probably) if he just turned into some post burn dirt but it's still weird that he can turn into flock of birds.
Hmm, maybe this fruit is a special paramecia like katakuri's. Logia fruits are not about transforming into anything and generating it, they are about transforming into something that exists in nature. With that in mind odds are that karaku making crows is probably just how he choses to use his ability.
 

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Hmm, maybe this fruit is a special paramecia like katakuri's. Logia fruits are not about transforming into anything and generating it, they are about transforming into something that exists in nature. With that in mind odds are that karaku making crows is probably just how he choses to use his ability.
I guess? Buuuut I still think that weird way to use soot df. Ehh, mayby Karasu just like being edgelord kinda like Tokoyami in MHA. He give off same vibes actually.
 

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I guess? Buuuut I still think that weird way to use soot df. Ehh, mayby Karasu just like being edgelord kinda like Tokoyami in MHA. He give off same vibes actually.
I mean transforming your elemental attack into a cool shape is like cool design 101. More associated with series like Naruto, but other logia have done it. Usually it's for big flashy attacks like Aokiji's pheasant attack, or pseudo-transformations like Caesar and Enel and not just... Traveling In Style but Karasu just has that drip. Speaking of Monet, her Snow Rabbits remind me of Karasu's crows

Soot is just as natural as the Fire/Lightning and Forest that make it up. Speaking of Forest, Soot makes more sense than that (or Swamp) anyways, which are a locations and not an element/aspect of nature itself.

I doubt we'll ever see another "special paramecia", since that retcon was just because Oda forgot for a few weeks that Mochi was in fact not even remotely stretchable to fit the definition of Logia, and he had already canonically used an attack that Paramecia can't use, Grilled Mochi (where he shoots his whole actual arm like a canon). I don't think Karasu has these problems, he's just stylish af
 
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I guess? Buuuut I still think that weird way to use soot df. Ehh, mayby Karasu just like being edgelord kinda like Tokoyami in MHA. He give off same vibes actually.
Moria also shape his shadow power look like bats,,
 

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Well most of logias seem quite straightforward: it's fire, thunder, mud, smoke and so on. But Karasus logia is super weird because soot is basically dirt that is left behind by burning down something and he turn into RAVENS not soot. I mean it wouldn't be very cool or usefull (probably) if he just turned into some post burn dirt but it's still weird that he can turn into flock of birds.
It better be a logia. We need to see more logia in One Piece. I hope we will see in movies or manga
  • Salt logia
  • Meteor logia
  • Rainbow logia (must be okama celebrity)
  • Oil logia
  • Steam logia
 

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Well most of logias seem quite straightforward: it's fire, thunder, mud, smoke and so on. But Karasus logia is super weird because soot is basically dirt that is left behind by burning down something and he turn into RAVENS not soot. I mean it wouldn't be very cool or usefull (probably) if he just turned into some post burn dirt but it's still weird that he can turn into flock of birds.
Maybe he is the first example of a awakened logia..in my perspective the awaken always, awaken another "dimension " of power that until that moment - was exclusive of another type of AkM - When a paramecia awaken, its power resembles more of a logia - so i guess when a logia awaken, they can have more control of its powers and even create new concepts with that element - Kara's btw can create and control those ravens, that actually can listen and see for him - remember Mei Mei of JJK actually - on think its the same logic of Katakuri paramecia - with his awakend form he had soluch granular control + his observation haki - that he turned himself in a logia basically !
 

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Well most of logias seem quite straightforward: it's fire, thunder, mud, smoke and so on. But Karasus logia is super weird because soot is basically dirt that is left behind by burning down something and he turn into RAVENS not soot. I mean it wouldn't be very cool or usefull (probably) if he just turned into some post burn dirt but it's still weird that he can turn into flock of birds.
Trying to scientifically categorize the fruits might be impossible after we received the information the fruits might have been dreamed into existence. In that case it might be enough if people simply believe ravens are just one form of soot and that soot is it's own element.
 

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Guess there will be awefully quiet in here this break. Well no wonder, there's nothing to talk about and no hints to find. Actually recent hints weren't THAT reliable anyway so yeah.
 

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It better be a logia. We need to see more logia in One Piece. I hope we will see in movies or manga
  • Salt logia
  • Meteor logia
  • Rainbow logia (must be okama celebrity)
  • Oil logia
  • Steam logia
You'd think kizaru's fruit technically is a rainbow logia. No idea of what a meteor logia would even be like.
 

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It better be a logia. We need to see more logia in One Piece. I hope we will see in movies or manga
  • Salt logia
  • Meteor logia
  • Rainbow logia (must be okama celebrity)
  • Oil logia
  • Steam logia
I've been extremely suspicious about the lack of logias in the New World. Maybe there's another fighting force somewhere made of a few
  • Salt is like Water, in that they seem thematically opposed to devil fruits in a way that I think there's a lore reason they can't exist.
  • Meteor would be cool as hell but also... that's just Rock. I wonder why Oda decided on Pica's fruit being a paramecia instead.
  • Oil, yeah if Soot is a logia then Oil has just the same right to be. Cue Tim Curry toxic monster from Fern Gully :P
  • Steam seems like a big obvious one that I'm puzzled doesn't exist. Would've been great for one of Big Mom's kids, could've been a rival to Oven for various cookoffs (of course losing miserably at cooking because steam sucks for that, but being a massive secret powerhouse)
edit: wait speaking of Salt, maybe that's a reason there's not a Rock logia? If it functioned like Ceasar's Gas fruit that can produce any gas, logically a Stone logia would be able to produce minerals like salt? Man Ceasar's fruit is fucking wild
 
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I'd say a meteor logia probably does not fit into the logic of what makes a logia. Logia fruits are not about generating stuff and being intangible, they are about becoming something that exists in nature. Intangibility and element generation are abilities granted based on the properties of the element. This is why BB isn't intangible, the element he has just lacks such a property. And katakuri is a special paramecia because mochi does not exist in nature. With that in mind, I think the soot soot being a logia, in the sense of oda classifying it as one, is probably a coin toss.

Soot as defined by google: " Soot is a deep black, powdery substance composed of impure carbon particles, produced by the incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons, such as wood, coal, oil, or plastic.". With that definition soot can occur naturally. But the majority of it would be the result of man made processes. So you can argue it's a logia because soot can appear without man intervention or you could argue it's a paramecia because soot for the most part does not occur naturally.

Oil of course exists in nature so it would definitely be classified as logia. Though it'd be a bit of a lackluster power since fire is such a common power among powerful warriors. An oil logia would just explode and die from a fire slash from zoro.

I think a salt logia would mostly check out. Though it depends on how much salt correlates with water and it's less than friendly properties against devil fruits. Given that salt worked against moria's abilities but not big mom's homies I tend to think the correlation is not too strong and it only worked against moria's abilities because salt is effective against spirits and such.
 

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This is why BB isn't intangible, the element he has just lacks such a property.
Whoa whoa whoa. You know of a lot of tangible darkness in nature? The mystery of Blackbeard's devil fruit is a mystery on purpose- not saying it's some mythical zoan or whatever, but I am saying that it's the sole DF that can't be intangible when something like Swamp exists is silly.
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Oil of course exists in nature so it would definitely be classified as logia. Though it'd be a bit of a lackluster power since fire is such a common power among powerful warriors. An oil logia would just explode and die from a fire slash from zoro.
An oil logia could splash the entire field in oil, making, at best, a pyhrric victory for a person using a fire attack or a total victory given that an Oil and Fire don't have a relationship like Fire and Smoke or Fire and Darkness. Oda's been *really* fast-and-loose with how logia actually effect one another. FFS the guy said "Lava > Fire and also Ice>Snow". Like if you squint it makes sense but mostly only because Oda says one is greater than the other
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Soot as defined by google: " Soot is a deep black, powdery substance composed of impure carbon particles, produced by the incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons, such as wood, coal, oil, or plastic.". With that definition soot can occur naturally. But the majority of it would be the result of man made processes. So you can argue it's a logia because soot can appear without man intervention or you could argue it's a paramecia because soot for the most part does not occur naturally.
Wild that Oda went with Soot instead of Ash, since Ash is much more associated with natural fires than Soot. I feel like that time he just said Soot instead of Ash out of rule of cool (though honestly "soot" should be a subset of the Gas fruit, technically)
 

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Whoa whoa whoa. You know of a lot of tangible darkness in nature? The mystery of Blackbeard's devil fruit is a mystery on purpose- not saying it's some mythical zoan or whatever, but I am saying that it's the sole DF that can't be intangible when something like Swamp exists is silly.
Yeah but to quote good old BB:
" Darkness is gravity! A darkness so dense it sucks in everything... even light! Infinite gravity. "
Now, I don't know why darkness shuts down devil fruit abilities but the explanation otherwise mostly checks out. BB doesn't have intangibility because it's not in it's nature to disperse like that. It simply sucks things in, endlessly.

As for caribou's fruit, I can't say I understand the logic behind it. As a swamp I suppose it could be adjacent to aramaki's forrest fruit but this is all weird even for logias. It's also not like caribou's swamp has plants or other things you'd associate with the ecosystem. We have seen that there are logias that are higher level than others (magma above fire, ice tentatively above snow, gas over smoke) so maybe logias that represent entire ecosystems are the mightiest of all. Maybe there's a volcano or dessert fruit out there.
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Wild that Oda went with Soot instead of Ash, since Ash is much more associated with natural fires than Soot. I feel like that time he just said Soot instead of Ash out of rule of cool (though honestly "soot" should be a subset of the Gas fruit, technically)
WIth the logic I am suggesting an ash ash fruit would be of higher order (probably) and definitely a logia. Since ash is less specific and thus most likely to exist in nature.
 

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Whoa whoa whoa. You know of a lot of tangible darkness in nature? The mystery of Blackbeard's devil fruit is a mystery on purpose- not saying it's some mythical zoan or whatever, but I am saying that it's the sole DF that can't be intangible when something like Swamp exists is silly.
Umm, didn't Blackbeard explained this himself? If I remember correctly he said that because of his fruit his body behave like black hole and take on everything that comes in contact with it. You know, like attacks for example and that's why he still take damage. Also I think when it comes to intagibility it just depends on fruit because some of them are better at it than the other. Sand is good at it as long as it's not wet, electricity too and obviously fire but some things like swamp for example aren't fully liquid so while it makes it easier for user to avoid damage it's still not like hit will completly go through them like it's water. So it just depends, I guess.
 
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