Special Move PoT and SPoT Technique Tier List

[Kaoz]

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I doubt he has Kikumaru's flexibility or Tezuka's Technique and Physique. I doubt he has Shiraishi's technique too.
But he performed them all perfectly. Except Tezuka w/out ZSS.
Kikumaru's ability to perform Acrobatics and Tezuka's left arm to do Doubled Return are perfect examples.

1. He never uses Acrobatic Play.
2. It's not hard to return a weak shot like Fuji's with double power and as long as you have good technique the spin should be doable too.
3. How do you want to know that his technique is worse than Tezuka's or Shiraishi's?

Unless you see Kabaji using Acrobatic Play against Kikumaru or Mukahi. Which I doubt would be to the standard Niou would perform it at.

Kabaji hasn't shown to be able to use Acrobatic Play. Neither has Niou.

Then we can assume that if your physical abilities aren't strong enough, now matter how much you try, you can't do the real thing.

That's what they implied.

 

[Ninomiya]

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It's pretty late, so I'll keep this short...

Why do you think his technique is called Illusion? Because it's the real thing?

And honestly you could just say why do you think his technique is called Super Copy? Because it's the real thing?

Yeah we know Niou's is just an Illusion and Kabaji's is a copy. Neither match the real thing.

3. How do you want to know that his technique is worse than Tezuka's or Shiraishi's?
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...They confirmed it in the match itself. Fuji tells himself he is nothing compared to the real Tezuka.
Niou couldnt perform ZSS. That shows his technique isnt as good as Tezuka's as clear as day. I imagine that a similar situation is with a high level player like Shiraishi.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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I reckon Kabaji wins this one. Kabaji's physique is much better than Niou's, being stronger, likely to have more stamina and to be able to copy a move by seeing it once. The instant Kabaji copied Hyakuren, Tezuka was doomed. Kabaji's Hyakuren was better than Tezuka's. Having more arm strength means he could double a doubled return or even double a quadrupled return. Also, Niou didn't take 4 games to copy Hyakuren, he had the entire Nationals duration to do it. Whereas Kabaji only has the current match because he is simple minded.

 

[Ninomiya]

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I reckon Kabaji wins this one. Kabaji's physique is much better than Niou's, being stronger, likely to have more stamina and to be able to copy a move by seeing it once. The instant Kabaji copied Hyakuren, Tezuka was doomed. Kabaji's Hyakuren was better than Tezuka's. Having more arm strength means he could double a doubled return or even double a quadrupled return. Also, Niou didn't take 4 games to copy Hyakuren, he had the entire Nationals duration to do it. Whereas Kabaji only has the current match because he is simple minded.

Against anyone else, Niou wins. Thats JUST power. This series has shown power is most certainly not everything.

Against Shiraishi, Niou becoming Tezuka would be far more effective than Kabaji attempting Perfect TEnnis.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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If against Shiraishi, Kabaji would watch him for about 3 games and be able to copy his style perfectly. With the addition of his power, Kabaji takes the win.

 

[Ninomiya]

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If against Shiraishi, Kabaji would watch him for about 3 games and be able to copy his style perfectly. With the addition of his power, Kabaji takes the win.

No way. I dont see Kabaji defeating any of the Top tier guys.
Shiraishi removes golden weight. Different game.
Im Imagining Kabaji will be able to copy Entaku shot quicky too.

Yukimura says Niou could become even ''you or me'' To Sanada.
Niou becomes Yukimura or Sanada. Thats Game Set.

 

[LetalHawk]

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No way. I dont see Kabaji defeating any of the Top tier guys.
Shiraishi removes golden weight. Different game.
Im Imagining Kabaji will be able to copy Entaku shot quicky too.

Yukimura says Niou could become even ''you or me'' To Sanada.
Niou becomes Yukimura or Sanada. Thats Game Set.

Agree with you, Niou could become Yuki and yip Kabaji, or Sanada and spam Rai all over the place. Then Game Set.

 

[Kaoz]

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And honestly you could just say why do you think his technique is called Super Copy? Because it's the real thing?

cop·y/ˈkäpē/
Noun:
A thing made to be similar or identical to another.

So yes, as long as Kabaji doesn't lack any required abilities like Insight or Flexible Wrists, it should be more or less the same.

On the other hand...

il·lu·sion/iˈlo͞oZHən/
Noun:

A false idea or belief: "he had no illusions about her".
A deceptive appearance or impression: "the illusion of togetherness".

In other words, it deceives others to make them think it's real, but it isn't.

Yeah we know Niou's is just an Illusion and Kabaji's is a copy. Neither match the real thing.

Why are you constantly arguing that they do then?

 

[-Ken-]

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I wish there's someone in the 1st stringer or some national team somewhere that copies someone techniques at a STRONGER strength. That'll be pretty cool.

 

[LetalHawk]

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I wish there's someone in the 1st stringer or some national team somewhere that copies someone techniques at a STRONGER strength. That'll be pretty cool.

That can only happen if your physical abilities are stronger than the one who uses the technique. Otherwise, that can't be possible.

 

[Kaoz]

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Isn't Hyakuren kinda doing that already?

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Actually, there might be a technique in which the user can redirect the force of the ball and add some of his own to the mix for a stronger return.

 

[Ninomiya]

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Why are you constantly arguing that they do then?

Im not. Im arguing that you cant say Niou is more limited than Kabaji.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Ok, this list has been up for almost one year now. Time for the one year revision. Can everyone very carefully just look through the list to check for errors such as missing characters, missing techs, incorrect ordering, spelling errors, incorrect tech name etc.?

---------- Post added December 18, 2011 at 05:31 AM ---------- Previous post was December 15, 2011 at 02:12 AM ----------

By the way, I came up with a theory as to why Rai cannot be returned using Hyakuren. As you know, Hyakuren is door of Muga in which it uses Muga's property of copying a move and focuses it in an arm and can return a shot shot with double the original properties. The reason why Rai cannot be doubled is not just because the shot is too powerful or has a weird spin, it is because it came from the frame. Rai is hit by using the frame of the racquet, but Hyakuren uses the racquet gut and the racquet gut cannot emulate the racquet frame. As a result of this, even though the shot is copied, it cannot be double returned. This means the original properties of the shot come into play and we all know what Rai does to racquet guts.

 

[-Ken-]

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Isn't Hyakuren kinda doing that already?

No, not to the extent that's free enough. I'm talking about kind of when Momoshiro tried to use JK and was returned with a BJK. Now, I know Oni's not copying anybody, but that's just an example.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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So is Ten Ball Return a technique now or is that kinda overkill? Also, is Evolved Triple Counter more powerful than FuuRinKaZan (not FuuRinKaInZanRai)? Because on the list the Evolved Triple Counter is lower and it was agreed that Ka can be fully returned by Kirin Otoshi.

 

[Ninomiya]

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So is Ten Ball Return a technique now or is that kinda overkill? Also, is Evolved Triple Counter more powerful than FuuRinKaZan (not FuuRinKaInZanRai)? Because on the list the Evolved Triple Counter is lower and it was agreed that Ka can be fully returned by Kirin Otoshi.

Houou Gaeshi would defeat FuuRinKaZan, along with Kirin Otoshi, however, Hakuryuu could be caught in the air with a smash now Sanada now has Black Aura which dramatically lifts his abilities.
So New Triple Counter defeats FuuRinKaZan.

---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:54 PM ----------

No, not to the extent that's free enough. I'm talking about kind of when Momoshiro tried to use JK and was returned with a BJK. Now, I know Oni's not copying anybody, but that's just an example.

I see.
Like Black Jack Knife is to Jack Knife.
Like Twist Serve is to Kick Serve. Like Houou Gaeshi is to Tsubame Gaeshi. Like Gyro Laser is to Laserbeam.
Like Super Dunk is to Dunk Smash. Like Kirin Otoshi is to Higuma Otoshi. Like Kite's Shukichiho is to the others. Like Curving Laser is to Snake.
Like Samurai Zone is to Tezuka Zone. Like Hakuryuu is to Hakugei. Like Boomerang Snake is to Snake.
Like Devil Mode is to Bloodshot Mode.
Like Kenya's speed is to Kamio's speed. Like 108th Hadoukyuu is to Dash Hadoukyuu. Like Bakyuun is to Laserbeam.

Well you get the idea. I dont think we will see a definete technique that can automatically hit an upgrade back.
But I think this concept is what you were talking about.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Should Evolved Triple Counter be moved into the bottom of S or top of A?

 

[Brandnewkid]

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Interesting bit of trivia about techniques in PoT: quite a few of them actually do exist in real life, but not in tennis. A few moves are actually possible in table tennis, including a few of Fuji's Triple Counters. I forgot which ones specifically, though.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Because of the lighter ball, Hakugei can be pulled off more easily. Higuma Otoshi... well you aren't allowed to volley. Tsubame Gaeshi is possible but the ball needs to be above the net level to execute for the ball to skid along the table. If you have very good control over the paddle, you might be able to execute Kagerou Zutsumi but most of the time the ball with just rebound off your paddle if you aren't skilled. Fifth Counter is impossible to execute in table tennis or maybe almost impossible. Even a master of table tennis would find sliding the ball along the paddle then flipping it would be extremely difficult. Hoshi Hanabi is easily executed but you need supreme control to make the ball very high but can land on the table. Disappearing Serve is easy for veteran players since they can hit with sidespin quite easily.