Shounen Robot x Laserbeam Hangout Thread

Who will win the match between Robo and Suzaku?

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So this time moasakii ( similar to itachi and hanamia a bit also) is the Emperor :D:imslow
nice chapter , alought i wonder what akashi is doing on that panel?:blink:huh:
 
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If Robo plays Kyousuke it should fast track him. Well, he'll pick up a few techs against someone as good as Youzan.

Solid chapter again.
 

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Man, every new chapter just keeps me hyped. Can't wait for next one!
 

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Eizan is the main rival, but not the strongest. It was a good chapter, the new antagonist (Akashi, did your hair grow?) seems interesting, there's an hype for the next chapters. I'd like to see Souta, Gen and the captain's abilities. Gen will be the most stubborn to convince when it comes to Robot taking part in the training camp, but he's right in not accepting easily Robot's participation, he is good at laserbeams, but he still lacks in some aspects. He's a fast learner, so it will be a surprise if he doesn't get approvation for the training.
 

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I mean, not all of these rely on he shots being perfectly straight, I guess... but if this series go down the "special super technique"-path I hope it can get more inventive than super slices/hooks and whatnot.
Hm I wonder about that. I mean, it's obviously not gonna be completely realistic, but at the same time I'm not really expecting anything completely out of this world either (not saying that your ideas were, just in general). Looking at KnB, most of the stuff they did wasn't impossible to pull off in reality per se, but some of them being amplified and the consistency with which they performed those moves turned them into exclusives. I think this series will be similar.

In 3-4 weeks we'll get the camp, and a challenge for one of the spots. Gen is probably the one who'll be the toughest to convince... wouldn't mind if he dropped out based on character (but he's no.2 atm, so he's probably safe).
Why do you think he should drop out based on his character? Just because he's the skeptic of the group?

Souta - I'm going to guess he'll have a spin shot.
Any particular reason for this? Also, what kind of spin?

If Robo plays Kyousuke it should fast track him.
Definitely. Even if he got destroyed for real, he'd probably learn a bunch of new things playing Kyosuke. But the question is how that match is gonna happen, if at all. Kyosuke does want to play against Robo which probably helps, but the two of them will still need to convince Shintaro and Gen at least to actually make it happen. Maybe Kyosuke could use his own participation as leverage, saying that he/the other regulars on his team won't play if Robo isn't part of the Eiai line-up?

Eizan is the main rival, but not the strongest.
Not yet anyway, I could see this changing as the series progresses though. Since golf can be played both in a team format and in a 1v1 format, maybe Kyosuke will be Eiai's final opponent in whatever school tournament they'll be in, but Robo could still play Youzan in a regular match play afterwards.

In this context, I wonder why Kyosuke is upset about Youzan losing to Robo despite still being ahead of Youzan? I've got 4-5 possibilities in mind myself, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks too.

He's a fast learner, so it will be a surprise if he doesn't get approvation for the training.
Well, the series would hit a bit of a dead-end if he didn't make it in time I suppose, so it will indeed be a big surprise if Robo doesn't clear the condition.
 

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Why do you think he should drop out based on his character? Just because he's the skeptic of the group?
Just as a reader I prefer the other 3. Well it's not really fair to have Shintaro ahead really since we haven't got much of a feel for him. Souta and Rion are much more likable. Obviously Rion is the most logical out atm.

Any particular reason for this? Also, what kind of spin?
A guess pretty much as he was chipping when we first saw him. And it would be something new to Robo like the slice shot. Back spin.

Definitely. Even if he got destroyed for real, he'd probably learn a bunch of new things playing Kyosuke. But the question is how that match is gonna happen, if at all. Kyosuke does want to play against Robo which probably helps, but the two of them will still need to convince Shintaro and Gen at least to actually make it happen. Maybe Kyosuke could use his own participation as leverage, saying that he/the other regulars on his team won't play if Robo isn't part of the Eiai line-up?
Yep especially if he has to get his score down to 70 in a couple of weeks, Robo will need some quick lessons. I also wonder just how good Kyosuke is. Is stated to be definitely better, but Youzan is rising and improving, so he might already be as good as Kyosuke.

That is true, while Kyosuke is a big deal it's hard to see Gen and Shintaro allowing it; and it would take something like you mention I assume.
 

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Not yet anyway, I could see this changing as the series progresses though. Since golf can be played both in a team format and in a 1v1 format, maybe Kyosuke will be Eiai's final opponent in whatever school tournament they'll be in, but Robo could still play Youzan in a regular match play afterwards.

In this context, I wonder why Kyosuke is upset about Youzan losing to Robo despite still being ahead of Youzan? I've got 4-5 possibilities in mind myself, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks too.

Well, the series would hit a bit of a dead-end if he didn't make it in time I suppose, so it will indeed be a big surprise if Robo doesn't clear the condition.
As they said Youzan is a player developing lately, I can see he getting stronger during the series. About Kyosuke, I can imagine:
1. he had a long term rivalry with Youzan and is irritated someone actually defeated Youzan (besides him);
2.He wanted to be the first to defeat the player
3.He lost once when Youzan's talent manifested and it inflamed him to train and improve until he considered himself strong enough to ask a rematch

But there are more possibilities, what do you guys think?
 

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What I didn't think about was the stamina required. I've never played carrying a golf bag, just use a buggy and it doesn't bother you having to walk it. I guess this is something Robo can work on short term? A couple of weeks of cardio won't make him fit, but maybe it's enough to get him through 12-15 holes well.
 

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I also wonder just how good Kyosuke is. Is stated to be definitely better, but Youzan is rising and improving, so he might already be as good as Kyosuke.
I don't think he's there yet, I feel they made that pretty clear. If we're talking in terms of best score, I think Kyosuke might actually be below 60 as it is.

I wonder what Kyosuke's special skill is gonna be though. Phoenix would indicate rebirth I suppose? So maybe he's really good when making comebacks. On the other hand, if we suppose he inherits some of Akashi's traits, his analytical abilities should be his strong point.

But there are more possibilities, what do you guys think?
I have some overlap with your suggestions, but here's what I came up with:
  • Youzan and Kyosuke had a match somewhat similar to Robo and Youzan. On a much higher level of course, but the basic idea is the same, the generally inferior player defeated the superior one due to some circumstances. Or maybe Youzan achieved his personal best when the two played, but is worse on average.
  • Regardless of the result, they had one of those "don't lose until we play again" kinda moments. Youzan obviously broke that pact.
  • Kyosuke defeated Youzan, maybe even multiple times. But he feels Youzan's potential is at least as high as his own or maybe even higher.
  • The two haven't actually played against each other yet. But Youzan is celebrated by the media, taking away from Kyosuke's fame and Kyosuke is jealous because of that or something.

What I didn't think about was the stamina required. I've never played carrying a golf bag, just use a buggy and it doesn't bother you having to walk it. I guess this is something Robo can work on short term? A couple of weeks of cardio won't make him fit, but maybe it's enough to get him through 12-15 holes well.
Yeah, that seems like it'll become a recurrent weakness, I hadn't really thought it that much until now. I pretty much agree with what you're saying, he'll be able to mitigate the problem a bit, but I can't imagine he'll be able to fix it completely any time soon. So it should remain an issue in close matches for quite a while.
 

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When would be a good time for the manga to focus on Youzan a little more again? It seems like Robo getting down to a 70 is the current arc (a training arc), maybe when Robo becomes a regular it switches to Youzan for a bit?

I don't think he's there yet, I feel they made that pretty clear. If we're talking in terms of best score, I think Kyosuke might actually be below 60 as it is.

I wonder what Kyosuke's special skill is gonna be though. Phoenix would indicate rebirth I suppose? So maybe he's really good when making comebacks. On the other hand, if we suppose he inherits some of Akashi's traits, his analytical abilities should be his strong point.
Oh yea, can see Kyosuke's best score being below 60 if Souta is a 62 (feels like a clear gap between them). If Youzan gets 60 or 61, then 58 could be Kyosuke's.

That's a nice idea about the phoenix. He could be a scrambler, someone who gets into trouble but can usually save par or better. Since hitting GIR is tough, especially on the more difficult golf courses.

But there are more possibilities, what do you guys think?
I like yours and Kaoz ideas, and they would fit nicely.

I'll try for a different one - maybe Kyosuke wants to beat Youzan once he's fully matured as this would be a great challenge. If Kyosuke has dominated everyone, and sees and up and comer like Youzan, perhaps he wants to beat Youzan as his peak. Losing to Robo is 'unforgivable' if this means Youzan's progress has not been as fast as Kyosuke hoped.
 

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  • The two haven't actually played against each other yet. But Youzan is celebrated by the media, taking away from Kyosuke's fame and Kyosuke is jealous because of that or something.
This one is quite interesting, it would give some depth to Kyosuke's character if he is jealous. Sports manga usually have characters with good motivations, but rarely bring bad shades of human emotions into the characters.

I'll try for a different one - maybe Kyosuke wants to beat Youzan once he's fully matured as this would be a great challenge. If Kyosuke has dominated everyone, and sees and up and comer like Youzan, perhaps he wants to beat Youzan as his peak. Losing to Robo is 'unforgivable' if this means Youzan's progress has not been as fast as Kyosuke hoped.
Good theory, Kyosuke does look like a guy that love challenges and fair matches, no wonder he would be so irritated if he developed some sort of rivalry with Youzan. But as Youzan is a rising start, we can expect an evolution of his skills during the manga.

About the new chapter (12th), did you notice that the manager from golf club has the same surname as Gen? (She's Kuroda too), I wonder if it's just a coincidence or if she is a relative of him. And I'm quite curious about Robot's father now, I'll take a guess that he's a former player that stopped for some sort of family issue or something like this.
 

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Robo made some real progress with his stamina. Seems like a lot of training for golf. How much time went past? He fainted 3 or 4 times, so this happened in one week?

About the new chapter (12th), did you notice that the manager from golf club has the same surname as Gen? (She's Kuroda too), I wonder if it's just a coincidence or if she is a relative of him. And I'm quite curious about Robot's father now, I'll take a guess that he's a former player that stopped for some sort of family issue or something like this.
Oh I didn't notice that. Maybe she can help Gen be a little easier on Robo too (Rion said Shintaro would be a bigger problem than Gen this chapter, which surprised me).

Yea, I didn't think Robo's dad was much of a golfer, just had the bug to play it. Maybe Robo learned his fundamental swing from his old man.
 

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I've said this before in the WSJ thread, but I'll be impressed if Fujimaki accomplishes what Inoue did for basketball for golf. Overall, the manga is quite enjoyable, even though it's nothing ground-breaking.
 

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I was talking with Kaoz about how I see a lot of parallels with Prince of Tennis here and would be interesting to see if his dad was a big golfer much like Ryoma's was a top pro tennis player.

But I'd really like to see Robo's dad be a casual fan to put more emphasis on Robo just being "Robo" to get where he is.

Its nice to see Robo is starting to enjoy Golf and better himself because he wants to get better. Even to the point of fainting everyday training. Now that is some dedication.
 

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When would be a good time for the manga to focus on Youzan a little more again? It seems like Robo getting down to a 70 is the current arc (a training arc), maybe when Robo becomes a regular it switches to Youzan for a bit?
Really depends on Youzan's actual role I think. He could get his own arc if he and Robo are supposed to be co-protagonists, but it's also possible - and actually more likely in my opinion - that he won't get any major focus for a fair amount of time. Maybe we'll see him making the news a few times. Maybe other players will continue to talk about him. Maybe we'll see a bit of his team during a school tournament. But I think more likely than not, Youzan won't make the next big step until Robo is a lot closer to his current level.

Robo made some real progress with his stamina. Seems like a lot of training for golf. How much time went past? He fainted 3 or 4 times, so this happened in one week?
It's difficult to say, but one week seems likely to me too. Maybe two, but then that would mean we skipped his first practice session with Rion (not saying this couldn't have happened, it's just something to note). I also wonder how meaningful being the fittest of the first years is in the bigger picture though. Chances are the second and third years will still have more stamina than that I reckon.

And I do hope that's the case since it'd be too quick in my opinion if Robo went from having little to no endurance to being fit enough to play 18 holes without any problems. Picking up on the technical aspects of different shots quickly is one thing, but stamina and the like are physical limitations, so Robo's ability to learn quickly shouldn't apply here.

About the new chapter (12th), did you notice that the manager from golf club has the same surname as Gen? (She's Kuroda too), I wonder if it's just a coincidence or if she is a relative of him.
That did catch my eye, yeah. I don't think there's a realistic chance they aren't related. There are so many potential names to choose from, so them sharing one most definitely indicates they're siblings. I'm not sure how that's going to come into play though. What Brandish suggested is definitely a possibility, but maybe she also exists to add more to Gen's character than necessarily helping Robo to get on the team.

Maybe she can help Gen be a little easier on Robo too (Rion said Shintaro would be a bigger problem than Gen this chapter, which surprised me).
Yeah, that was a bit unexpected. If I had to guess, I think it's possible that Gen and Shintaro oppose Robo on different levels and that this might be the reason though. Gen's main reason for not wanting to let Robo join is that it's against the rules, so now that they've established a new rule that lets Robo join as long as he clears the conditions, it should be more in line with Gen's way of doing things again.

Shintaro on the other hand is mainly concerned with Robo being acknowledged by the other team members I think. So Gen might be fine with it as long as Robo's score is where it should be and the majority of the other members agrees. But I could see Shintaro saying something like "I won't let you join unless every single club member acknowledges you." Rion said getting accepted by the others will be far more difficult than clearing the score requirement, so that's why Shintaro might be the bigger obstacle in the end.

But I'd really like to see Robo's dad be a casual fan to put more emphasis on Robo just being "Robo" to get where he is.
Mostly quoting this to emphasize how much I agree with it. I think it'd be a lot nicer if he was just really into golf and knows a lot about it rather than being a super great player himself.
 

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Hi guys , I have a Q. i know nothing abut golf. IS golfing really need that much stamina? so that you need to run extremly hard every day?
 

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How much you need to walk on a golf course depends a lot on the course layout and such, estimates also seem to vary quite a bit as a result. The lowest average estimate I got from a quick search is about 9 km, the highest about 16 km. Since you also need to carry around your clubs all the time, it's probably quite tiring if you aren't used to it.
 

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If you want to walk an entire course with a (kinda) heavy bag on your back, yeah. It's not that it's a long walk; on average most courses are around 6 km I think, but if you don't want anything to ruin your focus when you're hitting, you definitely have to stay in shape. While you may not get out of breath or exhausted the way Robo did earlier, both mind and body can start to subtly fail you if it's not trained to withstand a lot of walking and swinging (especially in the sometimes beating sun). Imo golf is a sport where you have to stay focused more than anything, so having your body start to give in before your mind is just really frustrating.

Not like I'm an expert or anything though. But some people I know who golf seriously tend to at least do 30 min of cardio every day, specifically for their golfing.

Edit: Oh, maybe I was wrong about the 6 km if Kaoz found those numbers after searching. I was just going on what I remembered reading/hearing.
 

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Edit: Oh, maybe I was wrong about the 6 km if Kaoz found those numbers after searching. I was just going on what I remembered reading/hearing.
Did you maybe hear miles instead of kms? Because that would fit pretty well. I also read that estimates have gone up in the past, so that could also be a cause. And it's not like I did extensive research here, so maybe you just got the correct number and I didn't. Either way though, doing some running on a regular basis certainly seems recommended and necessary.
 
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