Discussion Sabo Thread

[BlackHair]

Seriously Sabo could be no way in hell a Yonkou. He is way to young to lead such a powerful pirate crew, nor can't I imagine him on last tier lvl already.

Wasn't his original dream to become a writer? I thought he just wanted to be a pirate because of Ace and Luffy, not sure though. Have to recheck the manga. Anyway, he fighting against those who take freedom is the best prediction imo. Panel 5

 

[Razh]

It's entirely possible that he is with dragon now, but his dream is to become a pirate and in one piece we know that dreams don't just die.

We shouldn't take character childhood dreams as an absolute law. He did want to write about his voyages, probably figured a pirate has the most freedom to do what he wants.
Just take Zoro as an example. His dream is to become the #1 swordsman. He first started out as a bounty hunter. Then, he became a pirate, just like that. Becoming #1 swordsman and being a pirate aren't mutually exclusive. In the same way, you can be a pirate and write about your voyages, or you can be a revolutionary and write about your voyages.
Seemed to me that Sabo sort of gained one more dream during the flashback events. There's a lot to write about the state of the world, the tyranny of WG, suffering of the small people and about the revolution.

 

[Poneglyph420]

i haven't been reading, someone probably already said but

Dragon was late, he was ok, but apparently he brought someone with horrible wounds and needed first aid

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/72772619/8

He was late cuz he brought Sabo, and he was the one who was injured. Who else? And this was right around the time when the celestial dragons made their appearance, they were there, so there's no way Dragon and the others couldn't have witnessed Sabo's ship getting destroyed (not sure about this)

sorry, probably someone already said this, but just in case

Actually It's not for sure and is still a contested topic IMO at least.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/589/07/
Looking at this page I'm torn on what has happened...

This page is clearly the night of the Tenryuubito arrival at Goa.
In the first two frames wee see a child say "Did you see that guy with the huge face this afternoon?" That to me leads me to think that Dragon and his ship have been at this island for some time. Likely that they departed Goa before Sabo's demise.

It's still possible that Sabo is alive and well, but based on the evidence I'm not sure he's with Dragon. Don't get me wrong it's not for sure but sure seems likely that Sabo is not with Dragon..
If he is then Dragon must have a motor boat or some other way to travel really fast.. Cuz I can't see how he was at "Zoro's Island" all day and able to save Sabo.

I do hope that Oda clears things up for us sooner than later....

 

[Bloodwinter]

*cough*

*cough* everyone is ignoring me *cough*

Well mostly the reason no one had really addressed it is because it is a very wide-spread theory at this point. A lot of people have already said it and talked through the options at this point. However, he had set sail the night of the Gray Terminal incident and by the next night was at Zoro's hometown. There is no real determining how far away the Goa Kingdom is from Shimotsuki village so it's still plausible it's not that far away. However, can someone please show the panel at which he has someone in his hands? Because every panel of him showed him by himself from what I'd seen.

It could be possible that they already had on board who's medical status they were in the middle of reviewing and found him to be in critical condition.

 

[Uriel]

If he is then Dragon must have a motor boat or some other way to travel really fast.. Cuz I can't see how he was at "Zoro's Island" all day and able to save Sabo.
I do hope that Oda clears things up for us sooner than later....

Well, If He has Air Logia or can change the weather (We have already seen the green wind) may help him to travel faster than anyone.

 

[Razh]

If he is then Dragon must have a motor boat or some other way to travel really fast.. Cuz I can't see how he was at "Zoro's Island" all day and able to save Sabo.

He can fly. 2 of the most likely fruits so far would both allow him flight. It's as simple as that. And he probably wasn't on Zoro's island all day.

 

[quick_al]

Actually It's not for sure and is still a contested topic IMO at least.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/589/07/
Looking at this page I'm torn on what has happened...

This page is clearly the night of the Tenryuubito arrival at Goa.
In the first two frames wee see a child say "Did you see that guy with the huge face this afternoon?" That to me leads me to think that Dragon and his ship have been at this island for some time. Likely that they departed Goa before Sabo's demise.

It's still possible that Sabo is alive and well, but based on the evidence I'm not sure he's with Dragon. Don't get me wrong it's not for sure but sure seems likely that Sabo is not with Dragon..
If he is then Dragon must have a motor boat or some other way to travel really fast.. Cuz I can't see how he was at "Zoro's Island" all day and able to save Sabo.

I do hope that Oda clears things up for us sooner than later....

Wow i completely missed that when i read the chapter, that they had a injured person on board. I too hope Oda clears it up

 

[Roarchu]

sorry I sounded obnoxious. I just hadn't read anyone say anything about that

but Dragon being late and having brought someone wounded...

who else would be wounded there at that time? it's just too fishy

 

[Poneglyph420]

Well, If He has Air Logia or can change the weather (We have already seen the green wind) may help him to travel faster than anyone.

He can fly. 2 of the most likely fruits so far would both allow him flight. It's as simple as that. And he probably wasn't on Zoro's island all day.

Well yes. Both of you are likely correct. Dragon would likely be able to fly IF he has one of the suspected DF's. That being said, HE can fly not his whole ship and crew... SO IF he did save Sabo he probably picked him up and flew away...

Just seems like if Dragon's ship and crew are Not near Goa, we wouldn't be either...

sorry I sounded obnoxious. I just hadn't read anyone say anything about that

but Dragon being late and having brought someone wounded...

who else would be wounded there at that time? it's just too fishy

It's indeed fishy, and makes me wonder too..
But at the point he was late he wasn't near Goa, unless he flew there to save Sabo and fly back... Which to me also seems suspect.

I'd be fine if Sabo survived and was with Dragon..
And well Sh!t it could be. I'm really not sure either way..
Just not sure why so many are so convinced with so little (mostly assumed) information.

Think it's best to say the jury is still out on this one...

 

[bittman]

As I posted elsewhere, I believe the translation being somewhat used may appear out of context.

Remember, the revolutionaries are travelling away from Goa Kingdom where they just saved a buttload of people about to be burned in a fire. As it stands, a lot of those people saved are probably severely injured, and such is the demand for medical attention that their stocks ran low and they had to request assitance from a nearby island. Since we see no "omg where did you get that kid?" or "who is that?" or any indication at all that Dragon has brought someone on board, Oda has either done the smallest ever hint...ever, or people are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Also: sure Dragon has a high probability of flight, but what you're also saying here is that Dragon flew back to Goa to search for a young noble boy who may or may not have set sail and may or may not have accidentally run across a Tenryuubito ship and then may or may not have died because of it...either in broad daylight or like 12 hours after Sabo was shot at when he had the cover of night. He then flew back to his ship, but didn't go straight there but went to negotiate with the dojo master, and then decided to come to the ship after that.

The number of circumstances there is too many for me to see any logical connection.

 

[Uriel]

It could be that He commanded the ship to go because the fact that He may not be able to take his whole crew with him when He flights.
So He traveled alone when they were far from the reach of the Tenryuubito to spy. Then He saw Sabo and helped him somehow.

But again, I do think it's too many circumstances to consider it a solid story. At this point, my logic says that He's death by now...But I seriously WANT him alive.

 

[Bugzee]

I think Sabo is alive. As I myself and others (I think) have said before on several occassions, Sabo's dream perfectly ties in with the other SH's and I honestly believe that it would awesome if he was the last member to join them on their adventures in the GL...

About the voting poll options:

Dead - by the hands of St. Jalmack
Dead - on some later adventure
Alive - living in peace
Alive - sailing the sea as pirate
Alive - fighting for the Revolutionary Army
Alive - ? Whereabouts unknown for the time being. *Me votes for this option. *

It's more likely that if he is alive, he would be with the RV's atm but I'll hold my judgement on that matter for now.

 

[DARK]

Most likely Sabo is alive. I don't think that he is fighting for the Revolutionary Army, though.
Sabo says he wants the freedom of sailing out to sea, something he never got at home. If anything, he wanted to escape his heritage as a nobel not confront it head on. He rather die than to continue his role as a member of a nobel family. Most importantly, Sabo wanted freedom and nakama who truly cared about him, not his stuck-up parents. I still believe Sabo is somewhere in the New World, with his own crew.

 

[kkck]

^I also think sabo is alive although I do think he'd be a part of the revolutionary army. I think that would make the most sense. Unless there is a mistranslation, I'd think this part shows sabo being saved by the revolutionaries. I think it'd make perfect sense for sabo to join the revolutionaries. He wanted freedom for himself, that is true but there is no reason for him to not be capable of getting that with them. He could have easily chosen to join the army and fight for freedom, for something which he considered greater than himself.

 

[Black Lagoon]

I think that he´s alive but has amnesia, although I guess that when he saw Ace in the newspaper and read about his death he might have had a flashback to his childhood, and so remembered things like trash mountain, Dadan, Ace, Luffy ...

 

[Jammin]

Unless he has amnesia, as Black Lagoon suggested, I think he is almost certainly dead. There is no way he wouldn't have been there trying to stop Ace's execution otherwise. He also would have let Ace and Luffy know he was alive long before that.

I mean, Ace had become pretty renown so it's not like he wouldn't of known how to get a hold of them.

 

[tret16]

well i personally believe that Sabo is alive, and it's because of one main reason and that would be the fact that Oda doesn't seem to let characters die that way. By that i mean that all he showed was Sabo's hat after they destroyed his boat. If you look at the others who have died in the manga, Ace and Whitebeard died on paper and in the sight of all the others. Ace died in luffy's arms and whitebeard died and then he got his powers stolen from him.

 

[bittman]

Unless he has amnesia, as Black Lagoon suggested, I think he is almost certainly dead. There is no way he wouldn't have been there trying to stop Ace's execution otherwise. He also would have let Ace and Luffy know he was alive long before that.

I mean, Ace had become pretty renown so it's not like he wouldn't of known how to get a hold of them.

I agree with your words in that the only believable "Sabo is alive" theory has to be if Sabo has amnesia. Amnesia fake-deaths are a terrible plot device in my opinion though, I have never seen a good amnesia story unravel given they are either too obvious or just flat out pointless to the story as a whole.

But yes, if Sabo was alive somewhere, which I don't believe since we saw enough of him to kill him off in the eyes of everyone who isn't fanboying him hard, the only excuse I would accept is amnesia. And then I'd be disappointed because it's typically such a poor technique that goes something like:

"Blahblahblah traumatic experience blahblah why am I crying? blah blah You remembered my name! *cries* blah blah I...remember..."

P.S. Stop referencing Ace and Whitebeard as ways Oda kills off characters. If you're going to argue for Sabo being alive, at least reference deaths in flashbacks. And then reference me any Shonen material where they show the mutilated body of a 12 year old boy in order to sicken readers and make it instantly Seinin.

 

[LeDuck]

I agree with your words in that the only believable "Sabo is alive" theory has to be if Sabo has amnesia. Amnesia fake-deaths are a terrible plot device in my opinion though, I have never seen a good amnesia story unravel given they are either too obvious or just flat out pointless to the story as a whole.

But yes, if Sabo was alive somewhere, which I don't believe since we saw enough of him to kill him off in the eyes of everyone who isn't fanboying him hard, the only excuse I would accept is amnesia. And then I'd be disappointed because it's typically such a poor technique that goes something like:

"Blahblahblah traumatic experience blahblah why am I crying? blah blah You remembered my name! *cries* blah blah I...remember..."

P.S. Stop referencing Ace and Whitebeard as ways Oda kills off characters. If you're going to argue for Sabo being alive, at least reference deaths in flashbacks. And then reference me any Shonen material where they show the mutilated body of a 12 year old boy in order to sicken readers and make it instantly Seinin.

Good to see, that there are still people out here that think straight
*cough*
Sabo is not Moria, Kid, Kuma, Vegapunk or anyone else
*cough*

We can't say he's dead for sure, because of the scene with dragon, because there was something about someone's injuries.

The question is, if he is alive, why:

- Didn't he say anything to Luffy / Ace
- Didn't try to reach Ace when he became famous
- Didn't try to save Ace

As said, there are about two options:

- It would be somehow in favor of the revolutionist to have someone, who is supposed to be dead
- He doesn't remember anything

If you ask me, both would be pretty crappy, so if he comes back into the story, I hope we get a reasonable explanation.

 

[Wolf D. Arius]

As i said in the current spoiler Thread, through the picture shown on this weeks cover i think that sabo is alive. Oda has drawn him as an adult and i dont think he would have designed him if he wasnt alive and used in the future. I dont think he is someone we know, but i can imagine he is one of the Rebel army commanders, like the guy Robin met at tequila wolf.

Would be no surprise

And amnesia? Come on... this is not really a thing that would be plausible, in my opinion. I would say, that Sabo serves the bigger purpose.. Dragon. And he knows that he alone could not change the fate of Ace and Ruffy, because it was their decisions / lifes that made this war happen. He cant take his part of the rebel army and just march into marineford, this would be suicide and of no use at all.

There is a reason, why the rebel army did not interfere in the war and i think this reason will soon open all our eyes

GreeTz, Wolf D. Arius