Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[M3J]

not sure he could put a dent into the Monster Trio especially after Wano arc if their future final fights who we think the majority thinks, then Jimbei will be behind them unless more are established for him to say otherwise.

what

Jinbei has shown to be very powerful, from blocking Big Mom and throwing her off to being able to deal with Akainu. Didn't he and Ace manage to fight for three days as well?

Where does Sanji get his leg strength from?
We know Luffy went through hellish training as a kid, gains the progressive shonen power up, DF ability & fights the strongest enemies.
Zoro is constantly training lifting heavy weights..Sanji on the other hand seems to just create new attacks to get through.

Sanji should start to lift weights with hs legs. I'm sure he'll get great results from. Just thought it was a bit peculiar. Our chef has some serious leg power..but closes to training we see him do is run from a LBGT community on a island lmao.

Dunno, but his leg strength are on a different level. He's managed to impress tons of people with how he was able to kick Wadatsumi back up, kick Oars without breaking his legs, and whatnot.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Where does Sanji get his leg strength from?
We know Luffy went through hellish training as a kid, gains the progressive shonen power up, DF ability & fights the strongest enemies.
Zoro is constantly training lifting heavy weights..Sanji on the other hand seems to just create new attacks to get through.

Sanji should start to lift weights with hs legs. I'm sure he'll get great results from. Just thought it was a bit peculiar. Our chef has some serious leg power..but closes to training we see him do is run from a LBGT community on a island lmao.

Zeff was a famous pirate known for his leg strength. That is the man that raised Sanji. Red Leg Zeff... Black Leg Sanji....

Just gotta connect the dots buddy

 

[afromarco005]

Doubt it. At least, hope not. It'd render Sora's sacrifice as well as the torment Sanji went through pointless. Prefer Sanji growing in strength the old fashion way, rather than being the result of his Father's machinations.

I'm liking the idea of Sanji's "Flames of Passion" being another form of haki though. Could potentially explain why he hasn't shown hardening yet. He developed another aspect of haki before hardening.

What category of haki would this even be? This doesn't look like armament to me and sure isn't observation or conqueror's.

Unfortunately I feel like this is where the story is going, Sanji dealing with his superhuman genes and accepting that he is strong because of germa science.

Luffy would have "magical" DF based powers+ crazy haki

Zoro would be the epitome of strenght acquired through blood sweat and tears

Sanji would represent the strenght of science and years of research.

 

[nik87]

What category of haki would this even be? This doesn't look like armament to me and sure isn't observation or conqueror's.

Probably a form of armament, even this advanced type but no control over it at all, that's why it looks unrefined and barely any use aside from DJ.
I started to look at Haki as energy/chakra and it completely changed the way I look at Haki now.

I wonder if Minks' Electro is also this advanced type of armament, the release of energy and due to them being furry it converts into static electricity...
I still have to work it out why Vista and Marco couldnt damage Akainu while Jozu damaged Aokiji, I cant explain it unless Akainu molded his form to avoid the hits like Aokiji did against Whitebeard.

If energy release really is advanced form of armament then Sanji's flame may take a completely different form when he masters it, looking back at TB flaming scene, it looks like a lot of wasted energy.
Also, there is high probability that poneglyph stones are written by that Haki technique.

 

[afromarco005]

Probably a form of armament, even this advanced type but no control over it at all, that's why it looks unrefined and barely any use aside from DJ.
I started to look at Haki as energy/chakra and it completely changed the way I look at Haki now.

I wonder if Minks' Electro is also this advanced type of armament, the release of energy and due to them being fury it converts into static electricity...
I still have to work it out why Vista and Marco couldnt damage Akainu while Jozu damaged Aokiji, I cant explain it unless Akainu molded his form to avoid the hits like Aokiji did against Whitebeard.

If energy release really is advanced form of armament then Sanji's flame may take a completely different form when he masters it, looking back at TB flaming scene, it looks like a lot of wasted energy.
Also, there is high probability that poneglyph stones are written by that Haki technique.

Nice new profile picture Nik!

 

[HereNThere]

Alright then, fair enough, but don't be surprise if Oda choose to go on that route as he seems to have plans with RS, so it wouldn't be bad off especially he still train to get stronger end of the day even with RS before discarding it.

I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd definitely be disappointed.

What category of haki would this even be? This doesn't look like armament to me and sure isn't observation or conqueror's.

As @nik87 implied, it's probably fall under the Armament umbrella.

As for Sanji representing the strength of science in research, that'd be weird and unnecessary. Nami, Usopp, and, most obviously, Franky, have been repping for science and research since Part 1. I don't think Sanji would add anything much to in terms of it's representation.

 

[afromarco005]

I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd definitely be disappointed.



As @nik87 implied, it's probably fall under the Armament umbrella.

As for Sanji representing the strength of science in research, that'd be weird and unnecessary. Nami, Usopp, and, most obviously, Franky, have been repping for science and research since Part 1. I don't think Sanji would add anything much to in terms of it's representation.

At first I was under the impression that Oda used DJ to show us when Sanji was using haki because it was hard to draw black haki on his black pants.

But then apparently he was shown using regular armament on his leg against Daifuku (I am still not sure about that as in the manga it was not clear at all) so it makes DJ being haki redondant imo.

Sanji would be the science power rep in the "trio" is what I meant. As seen recently Ussopp and Franky's role will be to help him achieve the full potential of his science enhancements.

 

[King Moe]

Don't see that likely as he won't rely on science much even in a fight as shown how he been using it lately. He still doesn't want to fight like his family, fight still his black leg style. So probably will modify it to adjust his body for his fighting style to incorporate his moves as well DJ and Haki then becoming relying on science stuff. Even with invisibility, Sanji didn't use it for a fight when confrontated.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Actual nah, it looks to be that. If you see panel where they block, Sanji uses his left leg before going into the stance with his right leg. Gotta pay attention. The immaturity of Zoro fans XD.

That wasnt black haki...

 

[Pirate Queen]

It looks to be as he need to harden his skin to block bullets as it's clear he uses his legs to block it.

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Coming from the guy getting destroyed in power lvl thread on Zoro's bad defense lol. At least I got more proof my side XD.

He may have used regular coa but for sure he didnt us Hardening.

Both blocked those bullets it looks like. Sanji with his leg and Zoro with his blade

 

[King Moe]

Zoro blocked the bullet and Sanji is there to help when the fighting starts, are you blind?

Zoro still injured from prior and look from how he is holding Took while a sword. Sanji did more blocking than him since he clearly not 100% atm.

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He may have used regular coa but for sure he didnt us Hardening.

Both blocked those bullets it looks like. Sanji with his leg and Zoro with his blade

Don't think regular COA to me as darken of his back leg looks more hardening. Luffy while strong still harden is skin to blades, so Sanji could do the same in blocking bullets.

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro still injured from prior and look from how he is holding Took while a sword. Sanji did more blocking than him since he clearly not 100% atm.

What are you talking about?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro still injured from prior and look from how he is holding Took while a sword. Sanji did more blocking than him since he clearly not 100% atm.

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Don't think regular COA to me as darken of his back leg looks more hardening. Luffy while strong still harden is skin to blades, so Sanji could do the same in blocking bullets.

You are so ridiculous.

It's not even about respecting other people's opinions at this point. I have never debated some one so factually wrong this consistantly.

I mean, people and members are wrong occasionally, every one of us, but you take the cake lol.

 

[King Moe]

You are so ridiculous.

It's not even about respecting other people's opinions at this point. I have never debated some one so factually wrong this consistantly.

I mean, people and members are wrong occasionally, every one of us, but you take the cake lol.

Again it darken on his leg again next chapter. Lexus you got learn accept opinions than think yours has more sense. How you think Sanji can deflect bullets with hardening his skin? He did it again when keep his distance on Drake as not to bring danger to Toko on her. Got look more clearly on things.

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What are you talking about?

Where did you not understand? Pretty clear about it here.

 

[afromarco005]

Again it darken on his leg again next chapter. Lexus you got learn accept opinions than think yours has more sense. How you think Sanji can deflect bullets with hardening his skin? He did it again when keep his distance on Drake as not to bring danger to Toko on her. Got look more clearly on things.

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Where did you not understand? Pretty clear about it here.

It is not as clear as you make it out to be. The manga is drawn in black and white with black ink, most of the time,small details on pannels arent clear enough for us know if haki is being used or not.

And btw Oda often emphasizes when he is drawing haki by showing a prior bigger pannel where the character uses haki or by adding a sound effect or black lightning at the impact, none of which were present here or in last week's pannels.

In the end it's debatable wether Sanji used haki or not but imo (and that of many others) he didn't.

 

[nik87]

Sanji cheap shots Page1 and sends him flying.
Sanji hits Drake and nothing happens.

Now, the attacks sent P1 flying either because they were cheap shots or because Page1 was never in Supernova's league.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Sanji cheap shots Page1 and sends him flying.
Sanji hits Drake and nothing happens.

Now, the attacks sent P1 flying either because they were cheap shots or because Page1 was never in Supernova's league.

I really didn't get that panel. Was it a legit kick or more like him trying to defend his leg from being bitten?

I didn't see anything that suggests impact in that scene.

 

[nik87]

I really didn't get that panel. Was it a legit kick or more like him trying to defend his leg from being bitten?

I didn't see anything that suggests impact in that scene.

It is obviously a kick, there are two blasts on both sides showing impact, also the Sanji's words. The leg would have been bitten off Haki or no Haki so that's not what happened.

 

[King Moe]

It is obviously a kick, there are two blasts on both sides showing impact, also the Sanji's words. The leg would have been bitten off Haki or no Haki so that's not what happened.

That wasn't an actual kick. Many on other forums saying Sanji was moving away than trying to really hurt him. He has Toko in his hands so you really expect to give a head-on fight? Dude it obvious he isn't trying at all.

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It is not as clear as you make it out to be. The manga is drawn in black and white with black ink, most of the time,small details on pannels arent clear enough for us know if haki is being used or not.

And btw Oda often emphasizes when he is drawing haki by showing a prior bigger pannel where the character uses haki or by adding a sound effect or black lightning at the impact, none of which were present here or in last week's pannels.

In the end it's debatable wether Sanji used haki or not but imo (and that of many others) he didn't.

Not every time he does that to show or unleash COA. Some have already encased without sound effects or Oda just choose not to go either it every time. Plus since it continue next chapter with him darkening his leg. That is indeed Haki again. Soda's a professional. He wouldn't make same mistake twice especially in two chapters in a row. You guys gotta stop thinking he doesn't have it when anime already clearly shows it at this point.

 

[nik87]

That wasn't an actual kick. Many on other forums saying Sanji was moving away than trying to really hurt him. He has Toko in his hands so you really expect to give a head-on fight? Dude it obvious he isn't trying at all.

Those who say he wasnt trying at all dont really use their eyes. First time we see Sanji using Hardening he isnt actually trying to kick but getting away? Your logic never disappoints, Moe.
It was a kick, there are two blasts, unless your logic can explain those.