Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[nik87]

I wonder if Sanji will lose a leg to mimic Zeff but somehow will overcome that weakness by using raid suit or some kind of prosthesis which would turn into a power-up in the end whether due to the material being harder or it would be some kind of high tech, like Franky's arms or some firepower like Buggy's cannon from his feet...
His body definitely needs to become a lot tougher, if its only in raid suit or his exoskeleton triggered change by raid suit doesnt really matter, imo.

 

[afromarco005]

I wonder if Sanji will lose a leg to mimic Zeff but somehow will overcome that weakness by using raid suit or some kind of prosthesis which would turn into a power-up in the end whether due to the material being harder or it would be some kind of high tech, like Franky's arms or some firepower like Buggy's cannon from his feet...
His body definitely needs to become a lot tougher, if its only in raid suit or his exoskeleton triggered change by raid suit doesnt really matter, imo.

I like the idea of raid suit triggering some change in sanji. He may eventually become harder than diamond with his body+haki

 

[King Moe]

The raid suit is going to be the next big thing for sanji and I am looking forward to it.
I think it will do quite a few things:

• enhance Sanji's defense against physical hits, sharp attacks and elemental attacks including fire (even if I don't think that fire is really affecting Sanji much)
• Enhance Sanji's strenght exponentially
• It will activate or fully activate Sanji's latent power and I believe that he will end up beeing the most powerful vinsmoke ever. I believe that Judge will one day realize that Sanji was the most perfect of his creations (retaining his humanity and accessing an immense power that ichi ni yonji could only dream of obtaining despite spending their entire lives training and fighting wars.
• Sanji's body will become incredibly durable without even needing haki surpassing the toughness of all his siblings. (Sanji the new diamond jozu?)

However these changes should happen overtime reaching their peak EOS so it doesnt come off as an asspull.( like Kings wings in NNT)

This is the best way to power up sanji imo seeing as he never trains and has a bit of trouble right now.
I always found it strange for sanji to be this strong for no reason when the likes of luffy and zoro train all the time to be strong now it all makes sense.

Nothing implies he will stop training even using RS. He use it as a equipment with one's own body like how Zoro uses his swords as its based on user, not weapon. I doubt he get lazy and see to use it as his source of strength.

I agree with you though the suit can enhance his body, but in unlocking his latent powers, he be strong with or without suit, so putting more potential about it.

I kinda see it coming all at once with his power, so won't be BS. He will keep training to harness his latent gifts though as doesn't make sense for Oda putting him not training again.

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I wonder if Sanji will lose a leg to mimic Zeff but somehow will overcome that weakness by using raid suit or some kind of prosthesis which would turn into a power-up in the end whether due to the material being harder or it would be some kind of high tech, like Franky's arms or some firepower like Buggy's cannon from his feet...
His body definitely needs to become a lot tougher, if its only in raid suit or his exoskeleton triggered change by raid suit doesnt really matter, imo.

Hmmm....Nah, Sanji is surpassing Zeff on how he end up, so I doubt during or end of the series he will lose any of his legs at all. We already have a Cyborg in the crew, so Oda won't make Sanji be part machine and use same base again. He likes keeping character types diverse and different.

RS probably trigger his exo-skeleton and he raise his Haki lvl with training probably making him one of the durability people in the series if it come to that.

 

[M3J]

I still say fuck the raid suit, Sanji doesn't need it. Sanji is strong enough on his own, and he'll get stronger as the story progresses.

 

[King Moe]

I still say fuck the raid suit, Sanji doesn't need it. Sanji is strong enough on his own, and he'll get stronger as the story progresses.

He will. He won't use the suit much every time he combats as he outgrows it. Know what I mean?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

sanji would use raid suit only when he is in critical situation. But the thing is sanji always in critical situation on his 1-on-1 fight

 

[Pirate Queen]

sanji would use raid suit only when he is in critical situation. But the thing is sanji always in critical situation on his 1-on-1 fight

I'd rather Sanji have critical fights each and every time as opposed to Zoro who Oda refuses to give a decent opponent to. Fuck at least give Zoro a challenge. Zoro has been breezing through New World and it's not because of his strength but because of his lack of quality opponents.

At least there is a sense of intrigue with Sanji's fights.

 

[afromarco005]

I'd rather Sanji have critical fights each and every time as opposed to Zoro who Oda refuses to give a decent opponent to. Fuck at least give Zoro a challenge. Zoro has been breezing through New World and it's not because of his strength but because of his lack of quality opponents.

At least there is a sense of intrigue with Sanji's fights.

I think that Oda has become a master at trolling both Sanji and Zoro with their post time skip fights and it leaves everyone frustrated.
Sanji keeps losing its anoying imo the cracked leg thing was unnecessary, I know Oda probably wanted to hype vergo up but come on crack a rib or something this choice was lame.

Zoro keeps fighting small fries and there is no tension in his fights its frustrating going into every arc hoping to finally see what roronoa can really do and getting nothing in the end. Even Oda trolled us in dressrossa when Zoro said he would have liked to enter the tournament but didnt or when Sanji tells zoro that he will be going to defend the sunny instead of zoro, it would have been a perfect place to know where he stands vs DD

The story and fights become way more interesting when we know the characters limits otherwise we can only speculate and be disappointed when we get yet another easy fight for the swordsman.
Common I thought they said the new world was the strongest sea why cant zoro and Sanju get a good fight?

 

[nik87]

@afromarco005 I totally agree, Oda has focused on Luffy only way too much. I get that he is the main character but come on, what makes One Piece so great is that there is so much other than main character. Fans are as hyped or even more for things not involving main character.
We need that Alabasta setup back where everyone gets a fair share of panel time.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I'd rather Sanji have critical fights each and every time as opposed to Zoro who Oda refuses to give a decent opponent to. Fuck at least give Zoro a challenge. Zoro has been breezing through New World and it's not because of his strength but because of his lack of quality opponents.

At least there is a sense of intrigue with Sanji's fights.

lol yeah zoro never has any high-difficulty fights during post-timeskip. This is why some people said zoro was stronger than luffy at beginning of post timeskip if zoro will defeat king in this arc....which seemed weird because we know captain of the pirate is always stronger than the crewmates.

 

[Pirate Queen]

lol yeah zoro never has any high-difficulty fights during post-timeskip. This is why some people said zoro was stronger than luffy at beginning of post timeskip if zoro able to defeat king in this arc....which seemed weird because we know captain of the pirate is always stronger than the crewmates.

Those people know better or they are new to shounen. Luffy will always be a little better than Zoro(I call it "Blessing of the MC")... BUT, it would be nice to debate with some actual feats from Zoro.

And if Zoro beats King it wouldn't automatically put him over Luffy, sometimes people don't know how to properly gauge growth properly.

Literally the ONLY case where a Captain isn't the strongest in his crew is Buggy and that is so painfully a gag that it doesn't (shouldn't) count. It's Buggy's whole character.

The thing is Zoro has such a massive following it's almost impossible to critic him without waves upon waves of irrational arguements.

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oh geez, this is the sanji thread not the zoro....

Damn it. I hate going back and forth lol

My bad

 

[King Moe]

Those people know better or they are new to shounen. Luffy will always be a little better than Zoro(I call it "Blessing of the MC")... BUT, it would be nice to debate with some actual feats from Zoro.

And if Zoro beats King it wouldn't automatically put him over Luffy, sometimes people don't know how to properly gauge growth properly.

Literally the ONLY case where a Captain isn't the strongest in his crew is Buggy and that is so painfully a gag that it doesn't (shouldn't) count. It's Buggy's whole character.

The thing is Zoro has such a massive following it's almost impossible to critic him without waves upon waves of irrational arguements.

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oh geez, this is the sanji thread not the zoro....

Damn it. I hate going back and forth lol

My bad

Oda isn't really afraid of the fanbases. He go through them as he must to get good story and writing. Monster Trio are widely popular in popularity polls. So all have equal large following. He always facing them as he writes and Oda knows he have make characters when fight such higher opponents. We seen this more from Luffy and Sanji, but Zoro don't have much on his end and also get damage when facing them.

Looking at Wano will have a lot of fights and show more worth of all the Strawhats especially Sanji and Zoro.

 

[nik87]

Literally the ONLY case where a Captain isn't the strongest in his crew is Buggy

Hey, hey now, dont underestimate Buggy-sencho!
Even tho its his character and its a gag, I am sure Buggy-sencho is still the strongest among his crew if he were to get serious.

waves upon waves of irrational arguements.

How dare you?!

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hey, hey now, dont underestimate Buggy-sencho!
Even tho its his character and its a gag, I am sure Buggy-sencho is still the strongest among his crew if he were to get serious.


How dare you?!

lol not you! But some...
@nik87 you make some valid points

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Hey, hey now, dont underestimate Buggy-sencho!
Even tho its his character and its a gag, I am sure Buggy-sencho is still the strongest among his crew if he were to get serious.

Exactly aside from BM, BB, Kaidoh, Shanks and DN no one can stop him.

 

[M3J]

He will. He won't use the suit much every time he combats as he outgrows it. Know what I mean?

Yeah but I still find that to be quite a bullshit.

I think that Oda has become a master at trolling both Sanji and Zoro with their post time skip fights and it leaves everyone frustrated.
Sanji keeps losing its anoying imo the cracked leg thing was unnecessary, I know Oda probably wanted to hype vergo up but come on crack a rib or something this choice was lame.

Zoro keeps fighting small fries and there is no tension in his fights its frustrating going into every arc hoping to finally see what roronoa can really do and getting nothing in the end. Even Oda trolled us in dressrossa when Zoro said he would have liked to enter the tournament but didnt or when Sanji tells zoro that he will be going to defend the sunny instead of zoro, it would have been a perfect place to know where he stands vs DD

The story and fights become way more interesting when we know the characters limits otherwise we can only speculate and be disappointed when we get yet another easy fight for the swordsman.
Common I thought they said the new world was the strongest sea why cant zoro and Sanju get a good fight?

At the very least, he should have kept his leg affected instead of having Sanji run and move like he didn't even come across Vergo. All it showed was Sanji could take a great deal of damage and still continue fighting/moving, especially since he was coming off his body being battered when Nami was occupying it. At least him losing to Doflaming would make sense; hell, even Luffy would have lost if it weren't for Gear 4.

I guess the New World isn't just about power? It did imply that part of Big Mom's strength was her ability to blackmail, while Doflamingo's crew wasn't anything special other than Doflamingo.

 

[King Moe]

Yeah but I still find that to be quite a bullshit.

Trust me, M3J knowing Oda he won't make Sanji always reply or feel helpless without it. Pretty sure the RS will be that theory we were discussing above about him unlocking his latent powers and become even more stronger than before. Just see the RS as you see Zoro uses his swords as it's the user, not the equipment.

 

[M3J]

With the raid suit, it's an additional boost. Swords are weapons but they don't enhance the user's power the way raid suits do.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

With the raid suit, it's an additional boost. Swords are weapons but they don't enhance the user's power the way raid suits do.

agree. Swords have different grade, but at the end it depends on how the swordsman uses it.
We saw how mihawk can defeat east blue zoro by using a small knife.
Raid suit is literal external upgrade power, which sanji need because he was destroyed a lot post timeskip

 

[King Moe]

With the raid suit, it's an additional boost. Swords are weapons but they don't enhance the user's power the way raid suits do.

Not really. Since the swords in OP have different grade and material they are made off like Mihawk's sword is one of the great few swords in OP and all, it makes it tougher than different swords. Though what gives power to it is it's user which the same way like the raid suit as what makes it power is the user too. It's useless in the hands of a novice. Only someone skilled enough can use it in the end. It doesn't take anything away from Sanji especially unlike Zoro, if his equipment is gone, he isn't helpless as he can fight without it.

agree. Swords have different grade, but at the end it depends on how the swordsman uses it.
We saw how mihawk can defeat east blue zoro by using a small knife.
Raid suit is literal external upgrade power, which sanji need because he was destroyed a lot post timeskip

Nah, they are the same as RS as it depends how good they are by user, not equipment alone to make you powerful. Sanji shown to be great fighter without it so he won't depend on it every fight and I see him rarely using it at times.