Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Pirate Queen]

If the power or HEAT behind Diable Jambe is restricted by Sanji's threshold to endure the flames... The Raid Suit could in theory, break that limit(extreme heat resistance) for Sanji so that the power of his kicking output increases exponentially.

This can make the Raid Suit temporary until Sanji's CoA Haki advances

Other than that and becoming immune to bullets(which bullets haven't really be a big thing to begin with) and absorbing higher damage.

I don't see how the Raid Suit would benefit him in any other way nor would I want it to.

As long as he doesnt get those god aweful boots I'm okay with him using the suit.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

especially unlike Zoro, if his equipment is gone, he isn't helpless as he can fight without it.

^ someone has not been reading Davy back fight arc

Nah, they are the same as RS as it depends how good they are by user, not equipment alone to make you powerful. Sanji shown to be great fighter without it so he won't depend on it every fight and I see him rarely using it at times.

nope, RS is designed specially for vinsmokes and they are used to increase your power without requiring any expertises.
meanwhile we know how important swordsman skill, like when zoro still managed to cut the feudal lord while using a seppuku knife

 

[King Moe]

^ someone has not been reading Davy back fight arc


nope, RS is designed specially for vinsmokes and they are used to increase your power without requiring any expertises.
meanwhile we know how important swordsman skill, like when zoro still managed to cut the feudal lord while using a seppuku knife

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That wasn't really much a fight as it was a game. Point still stands Sanji have fought many times without needing RS while Zoro always need his swords in a fight.

Nah, more on user ability on how to use it. Vinsmokes have use their abilities and actual still have them without RS. They use suit as one with them as someone using blades like Zoro.

Also that wasn't a feudal lord, that was someone magraite who is authority figure, but not above a feudal lord. Not even compare to that position.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

That wasn't really much a fight as it was a game. Point still stands Sanji have fought many times without needing RS while Zoro always need his swords in a fight.

it kinda is a fight when the enemies were using actual weapons and zoro and sanji were spewing blood.

yeah sure sanji fought many times without needing RS. Just like when he broke his legs against vergo and humiliated by doflamingo. Sureee.......

Nah, more on user ability on how to use it.

head canon. You got it reversed.
Raid suit is used to enhance what the user could do, like how yonji could fly using it, but it was never mentioned that you require expertise to use RS.

 

[King Moe]

it kinda is a fight when the enemies were using actual weapons and zoro and sanji were spewing blood.

yeah sure sanji fought many times without needing RS. Just like when he broke his legs against vergo and humiliated by doflamingo. Sureee.......


head canon. You got it reversed.
Raid suit is used to enhance what the user could do, like how yonji could fly using it, but it was never mentioned that you require expertise to use RS.

Semi-fight, but more game as the goal wasn't to kill your opponent or defeat them as they have to put someone in the goal.

Sanji only lost was Doflamingo who defeated many fighters like Law and Zoro couldn't cut his Birdcage. I don't see why you use that as a bad point when Doffy was no joke at all., so don't insert Vergo and leg thing again. We counter you so many times on that. He is shown able to take on BM Pirates and hold his own with Daifuku and Oven, so take away what you said already man.

Sanji can already fly without a RS, so again, it's more like he is in control and the suit needs him than he needs it. Not the same with Zoro with everyone fight he needs a sword. Name me a canon fight he use none of his swords and defeat a high class opponent without them? This is not the same case your trying to insert.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Semi-fight

so it's a fight

He is shown able to take on BM Pirates and hold his own with Daifuku

nope , sanji only managed to deflect a nameless attack from daifuku
sanji was overpowered from giren (daifuku's attack)
oven was caught off-guard because he's focused on Pound.
Sanji was almost defeated by big mom fodder pirates ,if not for germa 66 siblings helped him.

We counter you so many times on that.

counter? You mean like how you kept making excuses like sanji being "handicapped"?

Name me a canon fight he use none of his swords and defeat a high class opponent without them?

this is like saying luffy never has any canon fight without his devil fruit. You keep failing to understand my point.

 

[King Moe]

so it's a fight


nope , sanji only managed to deflect a nameless attack from daifuku
sanji was overpowered from giren (daifuku's attack)
oven was caught off-guard because he's focused on Pound.
Sanji was almost defeated by big mom fodder pirates ,if not for germa 66 siblings helped him.


counter? You mean like how you kept making excuses like sanji being "handicapped"?


this is like saying luffy never has any canon fight without his devil fruit. You keep failing to understand my point.

Game/Fight, not really a fight fight.

Nah, he held his own with them especially first encounter Sanji was saving his family and second encounter he knock away a giant version of him.
Sneak attacks are not a issue especially Oven is shown to be tougher than he looks and put more feats on Sanji on being faster and stronger than him. If you dislike sneaks, then Zoro kinda lost a lot of his feats then in return .

Nah, those are your excuses as no evidence to back yours up unlike ours.

Nope, you didn't answer my question. Can Zoro fight with or without his swords? If he can fight without them, then show me a major fight he did. If you can't provide, then it's not true and he needs his sword in every fight.

 

[nik87]

@King Moe It's an interesting pole regarding Sanji, as you usually claim that the majority sees him your way...

 

[King Moe]

@King Moe It's an interesting pole regarding Sanji, as you usually claim that the majority sees him your way...

68? That's it? That's not even 0.1% of the fanbase. Put that on Reddit, Youtube, Twitter, etc.. and see the results more. That's DEEP minority compare how huge Sanji's fanbase and others lol. The guy will face Queen so if those want to have the 'illusion' he isn't strong that's your headcanon. Not Oda's and Majority.

 

[nik87]

68? That's it? That's not even 0.1% of the whole fanbase. Put that on Reddit, Youtube, Twitter, etc.. and see the results more. That's minority compare how huge Sanji's fanbase and others lol. The guy will face Queen so if yoifthose want to have the 'illusion' he isn't strong that's your headcanon. Not Oda's and Majority.

No matter how many people take part in it, the results will stay more or less the same in percentage.
Sanji is not nearly as good as you imagine him, at least currently he isnt, i cant speak for future with power-ups and raid suit.

 

[King Moe]

No matter how many people take part in it, the results will stay more or less the same in percentage.
Sanji is not nearly as good as you imagine him, at least currently he isnt, i cant speak for future with power-ups and raid suit.

Not really. Those who said that are more Zoro fans if any. I seen Sanji's fanbase and others from different characters. Not that at all. Majority still see him up there.

Again that's those minority in their mind. If they want to pretend Sanji no longer tough its their mindset, not series going forward.

 

[nik87]

Not really. Those who said that are more Zoro fans if any. I seen Sanji's fanbase and others from different characters. Not that at all. Majority still see him up there.

Again that's those minority in their mind. If they want to pretend Sanji no longer tough its their mindset, not series going forward.

All fans participated in that poll and its legit measurement of Sanji's capabilities, majority doesnt seem him as good as you do.
If you want more confirmation feel free to post same poll on YouTube and Twitter, i posted it on Reddit. I can already tell you that results will be the same, no matter where you post it.
I dont know why you are even surprised, Worst Generation is made of Supernova pirate captains(Zoro and Killer aside). Since when is Sanji able to beat that tier?

 

[King Moe]

All fans participated in that poll and its legit measurement of Sanji's capabilities, majority doesnt seem him as good as you do.
If you want more confirmation feel free to post same poll on YouTube and Twitter, i posted it on Reddit. I can already tell you that results will be the same, no matter where you post it.
I dont know why you are even surprised, Worst Generation is made of Supernova pirate captains(Zoro and Killer aside). Since when is Sanji able to beat that tier?

This website don't have full fanbase though. I do see votes on those who do see Sanji taking them, but again 68 are not majority nor is the other fanbase. Pretty sure I seen popularity and feats polls on Sanji with other characters on those sites, there are highly favored on him. Idk where you get idea of them being that.

Well since Sanji is with Monster Trio and Oda been hyping him up lately with his future abilities, bounty, and his opponent for Wano to say Sanji stand no chance or can't handle them is kinda ignorant. So far I already know few who he can't be above being Luffy, BlackBeard, and maybe Law, but he is equal with Zoro no matter how you denied since Oda focus on that. Until we see more feats on others, don't see them beating Sanji and others.

 

[nik87]

no matter how you denied since Oda focus on that.

Its obvious that majority of One Piece fans disagree with you, no matter how much you want to deny it.
Poll is not form this forum and it doesnt matter because all fandom of One piece will never participate completely no matter how many polls you post and on how many platforms you do it. What stays the same is the percentage of votes and votes show you that majority doesnt think of Sanji like you do and you can scratch those who voted with 12 because they are obvious trolls.
I will post results from Reddit when it reaches 100 votes(if 100 people bother to vote) and i can guarantee you same results(more or less) as the poll i posted above.
You can deny it all you want but people see Sanji much weaker than you want to admit.

 

[King Moe]

Its obvious that majority of One Piece fans disagree with you, no matter how much you want to deny it.
Poll is not form this forum and it doesnt matter because all fandom of One piece will never participate completely no matter how many polls you post and on how many platforms you do it. What stays the same is the percentage of votes and votes show you that majority doesnt think of Sanji like you do and you can scratch those who voted with 12 because they are obvious trolls.
I will post results from Reddit when it reaches 100 votes(if 100 people bother to vote) and i can guarantee you same results(more or less) as the poll i posted above.
You can deny it all you want but people see Sanji much weaker than you want to admit.

Nah, majority disagree with you dude. I been around in other websites, if you actually think OP community hates or don't see Sanji strong fighter, your the only one inserting that. One poll from a website without full fanbase doesn't mean it's apparent for other websites of the whole community. It's very stretching your trying to insert this as fact when we all know OP community is bigger than 68 people. Also again even with 100, means nothing. Do you know how much OP sells? The community is gigantic, 100 people isn't still 0.1% of the community. It means nothing as that still minority in the deep lvls. Your the only one acting like it's fact when it's not. Like it or not, I seen stuff on Reddit as well who talk about Sanji and those who said positive things or showcase his feats have likes above in the 1000, 2000, 3000, etc.. I am not saying those who dislike Sanji don't exist, of course they do, but inserting everyone in the community feels this way is stretching by a far mile. That's more your headcannon than majority and you know that.

You can deny this all you want, but this poll doesn't mean much compare to the majority. Now lets end this conversation and not get off track of the chapter at hand, Nik.

 

[nik87]

Nah, majority disagree with you dude. I been around in other websites, if you actually think OP community hates or don't see Sanji strong fighter, your the only one inserting that. One poll from a website without full fanbase doesn't mean it's apparent for other websites of the whole community. It's very stretching your trying to insert this as fact when we all know OP community is bigger than 68 people. Also again even with 100, means nothing. Do you know how much OP sells? The community is gigantic, 100 people isn't still 0.1% of the community. It means nothing as that still minority in the deep lvls. Your the only one acting like it's fact when it's not. Like it or not, I seen stuff on Reddit as well who talk about Sanji and those who said positive things or showcase his feats have likes above in the 1000, 2000, 3000, etc.. I am not saying those who dislike Sanji don't exist, of course they do, but inserting everyone in the community feels this way is stretching by a far mile. That's more your headcannon than majority and you know that.
You can deny this all you want, but this poll doesn't mean much compare to the majority. Now lets end this conversation and not get off track of the chapter at hand, Nik.

On the contrary, majority disagrees with you power scaling of Sanji.
No one hates Sanji, I dont know why you assume that as soon as some results are not going into Sanji's favor. Sanji is strong and can still improve but majority doesnt seem him like you do, you overestimate him and I am just trying to keep the Sanji hype balanced.

You numbers are irrelevant, I already told you that its impossible to get huge numbers of OP fans to participate in voting, doesnt matter what the voting is, doesnt matter which platform is used. Official popularity polls only manage to involve barely 50 thousand people while OP fandom is probably several million people so your argument that 100 people means nothing is irrelevant. If you can make the same poll and involve 100.000+ people then do it.

You can make 10 polls asking this question on 10 different platforms and you will always get same result, doesnt matter how many people vote. Why do you deny it?

 

[King Moe]

On the contrary, majority disagrees with you power scaling of Sanji.
No one hates Sanji, I dont know why you assume that as soon as some results are not going into Sanji's favor. Sanji is strong and can still improve but majority doesnt seem him like you do, you overestimate him and I am just trying to keep the Sanji hype balanced.

You numbers are irrelevant, I already told you that its impossible to get huge numbers of OP fans to participate in voting, doesnt matter what the voting is, doesnt matter which platform is used. Official popularity polls only manage to involve barely 50 thousand people while OP fandom is probably several million people so your argument that 100 people means nothing is irrelevant. If you can make the same poll and involve 100.000+ people then do it.

You can make 10 polls asking this question on 10 different platforms and you will always get same result, doesnt matter how many people vote. Why do you deny it?

Actually many formats like Youtube, Reddit, Twitter, and so on disagree on your claim on scaling. You insert that everyone dislike him and no longer see him top fighter. I disagree with you on that. I don't get why you think everyone is like that when nothing proves the majority acting that way. Minority don't see it, not majority, your handcannon won't be real no matter how many times you post, dude. Well it's within the hype he is facing Queen, so if you think that won't happen and he won't beat her, then your more in denial along with others when Oda is putting it right in our faces. So just saying those who don't see his worth or ignoring Oda's writing on what he is presenting.

Same with yours then the same as if you believe 68 people represent the fanbase compare to those out there who probably don't know websites like this or polls like this, then your really making a illusion how fanbases work. So 100 people means more than 100,00 who say differently? Your just countered your argument, Nik.

Nope, pretty sure they be different. Why are you ignoring what a fanbase and how many people they are? If you seen websites, this conversation shouldn't be continuing, so stop with "majority don't see Sanji strong much anymore" when these low numbers aren't really the whole fanbase saying that. That like saying if we get a group of people who dislike a certain character, then that means everyone in community dislike him when not really.

 

[nik87]

Nope, pretty sure they be different.

Bruh, stop with trolling and Sanji overhype. Make the polls and show results, that's what counts. Majority doesnt see Sanji as strong as you see him. I didnt say they see him as a weakling, I said they dont see him as strong as you think, you keep misunderstanding this. Again, make the poll yourself on any platform you want and show results. Polls are for everyone, not only for Sanji haters, thats your headcanon.

 

[King Moe]

Bruh, stop with trolling and Sanji overhype. Make the polls and show results, that's what counts. Majority doesnt see Sanji as strong as you see him. I didnt say they see him as a weakling, I said they dont see him as strong as you think, you keep misunderstanding this. Again, make the poll yourself on any platform you want and show results. Polls are for everyone, not only for Sanji haters, thats your headcanon.

Quit with the insults, Nik just because someone disagree with you. Be respectable if you want to debate this further. Overhype? So Sanji vs Queen is not being made apparent despite Queen sending her assassin to Sanji's location? That's not overhype, that what could happen. Got to stop with denial at times, Nik. Sanji is strong and minority think that way, not majority no matter how much you want to insert. I do understand they don't see him strong, but again your trying to force they are the 'majority' when reality, they are not the majority. That's your headcannon. Never said the poll was only those who dislike Sanji, I see a lot of votes for those who think Sanji can defeat them all which I disagree on as I only se few he can't beat and one he is equal to while the others I can see that.

 

[nik87]

Quit with the insults, Nik just because someone disagree with you. Be respectable if you want to debate this further. Overhype? So Sanji vs Queen is not being made apparent despite Queen sending her assassin to Sanji's location? That's not overhype, that what could happen. Got to stop with denial at times, Nik. Sanji is strong and minority think that way, not majority no matter how much you want to insert. I do understand they don't see him strong, but again your trying to force they are the 'majority' when reality, they are not the majority. That's your headcannon. Never said the poll was only those who dislike Sanji, I see a lot of votes for those who think Sanji can defeat them all which I disagree on as I only se few he can't beat and one he is equal to while the others I can see that.

Majority of voters who participated disagree with your opinion of Sanji and think Sanji can't beat anyone from Worst Generation or can beat very few, contrary to your opinion. You are free to make poll yourself if you dare to do so but if you think you will get different results thats your headcanon.