Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

Majority of voters who participated disagree with your opinion of Sanji and think Sanji can't beat anyone from Worst Generation or can beat very few, contrary to your opinion. You are free to make poll yourself if you dare to do so but if you think you will get different results thats your headcanon.

That's fine. Though it's not like they speak of the majority of the whole community if what I been saying. Pretty sure if I do make a poll on a website I mention, they won't see it the same as this your inserting still.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Bruh, stop with trolling and Sanji overhype. Make the polls and show results, that's what counts. Majority doesnt see Sanji as strong as you see him. I didnt say they see him as a weakling, I said they dont see him as strong as you think, you keep misunderstanding this. Again, make the poll yourself on any platform you want and show results. Polls are for everyone, not only for Sanji haters, thats your headcanon.

Okay love birds. Let me put a level headed argument out here.
The reason sanji gets shat on is cos Zoro fans overhype Zoro first of all. Some zoro fans were in the belief that’s Dressrossa Zoro coulda had Doflamingo.
But let’s compare zoros encounter with hawkins to Sanjis with Mingo.
Both went up against an opponent who’s ability they didn’t know. Both were acknowledged by the fighters. And both took damage from the fight as they didn’t know what abilities their opponent had.
Iirc Mingos attack was even named. And Mingo was the main villain in the story plus is also a monster.

One thing you should consider also is, out of these two fighters, which one is most likely to take damage?? The one that blocks attacks with his swords or the one that uses his legs? Zoro fans will twist this one way or the other. But with sanji actually getting a weapon, hope to heavens he uses it, he’s at lesser risk now.

In terms of feat wise, Like everyone has said Zoro fought fodders till now, no need to get boners over that. Sanji has taken Ls?!? Highly debatable, as the only fight that was concluded(judge) was actually cos he conceded based on his morals. For arguments sake, people will say he couldn’t land an attack but when he got serious his opponent used human shields.
The Vergo’s situation. I still say till today, people calling it an L for sanji should go back to read the manga. Sanji kept up with Vergil’s still after the cracked shin.
Who ended up defeating Vergo? Law, a captain.

 

[nik87]

That's fine. Though it's not like they speak of the majority of the whole community if what I been saying. Pretty sure if I do make a poll on a website I mention, they won't see it the same as this your inserting still.

Make the poll and show us the results. You are implying that somehow, miraculously, all those in Sanji's favor dont vote in these polls so they always go against Sanji which simply is not true.

Some zoro fans were in the belief that’s Dressrossa Zoro coulda had Doflamingo.

We will never know because they never clashed.

But let’s compare zoros encounter with hawkins to Sanjis with Mingo.
Both went up against an opponent who’s ability they didn’t know. Both were acknowledged by the fighters. And both took damage from the fight as they didn’t know what abilities their opponent had.

Thing is, Sanji is a kicker and its implied Vergo gave trouble to the skill Sanji is best at - kicking. Zoro's clash with Hawkins didnt imply that Hawkins gave Zoro trouble in swordsmanship.
In the end, both clashes dont matter because they werent fights until one stands and both Zoro and Sanji walked away easily from those encounters.

Iirc Mingos attack was even named. And Mingo was the main villain in the story plus is also a monster.

I never blamed Sanji for ending up short vs Doflamingo because I think Doffy is a bite he cant handle.

One thing you should consider also is, out of these two fighters, which one is most likely to take damage?? The one that blocks attacks with his swords or the one that uses his legs? Zoro fans will twist this one way or the other. But with sanji actually getting a weapon, hope to heavens he uses it, he’s at lesser risk now.

Sanji is more likely to take damage because his combat style is barehanded(barefoot) but I dont think he is at much lesser risk with raid suit, his chances are better but much better no. All Vinsmokes were easily defeated in their suits during the wedding ceremony.

In terms of feat wise, Like everyone has said Zoro fought fodders till now, no need to get boners over that.

I am actually disappointed with who Zoro got to fight in the new world, I am not happy he got to fight fodder. Hawkins is not fodder but they only had one clash and that's all, same thing with Fujitora. I would like if he fought Hawkins till the end, even Fujitora.

as the only fight that was concluded(judge) was actually cos he conceded based on his morals.

I always claimed that Sanji was stronger than Judge and that he gave up on the fight, not because he was defeated.

 

[King Moe]

Make the poll and show us the results. You are implying that somehow, miraculously, all those in Sanji's favor dont vote in these polls so they always go against Sanji which simply is not true.

Pretty sure as don't joke on a character's fanbase if you think everyone thinks that way or all gone and left which is hardly further from the truth.

 

[nik87]

Pretty sure as don't joke on a character's fanbase if you think everyone thinks that way or all gone and left which is hardly further from the truth.

Ok, I am excited to see your poll results. When will you post it?

 

[King Moe]

Ok, I am excited to see your poll results. When will you post it?

I said if, not going to waste time making a poll over a minor poll you brought in out of nowhere.

 

[nik87]

I said if, not going to waste time making a poll over a minor poll you brought in out of nowhere.

The power of Excuse Excuse No Mi strikes again.

 

[King Moe]

The power of Excuse Excuse No Mi strikes again.

Please stop getting mad over this debate just because me and Pro disagree with you .

 

[nik87]

Please stop getting mad over this debate just because me and Pro disagree with you.

You talk big. Until you are confronted to present some proof. Then you find an excuse not to, I have seen the same from you before.
I am not mad, only keeping Sanji overhype balanced.

 

[Kuza]

@nik87 he is just trolling or seriously high, just don't engage in dialogue with him regarding sanji, no fact can change his fanboy love, move on.

Regarding the Zoro chap I love the mention of Afro samurai, so on point xD Where the hell is Zoro walking anyway, we haven't seen anything that looks like this so far lol

 

[King Moe]

You talk big. Until you are confronted to present some proof. Then you find an excuse not to, I have seen the same from you before.
I am not mad, only keeping Sanji overhype balanced.

Nah, just you thinking that. Now if you don't mind, let us go to Zoro and try to predict the chapter on what he is going to do. Knowing him, might not end well as of late of the arc.

 

[afromarco005]

Merry christmas everyone!
I have seen this debate everywhere today so lets discuss it.
How does Sanji compare to the Supernova power wise? Who do you think he has a chance against if any?

Before the WCI arc I was under the impression that he could maybe beat or at least have a draw against Capone but now that we have seen his big faether form tank several enraged Big Mom's hits, I don't think so anymore.

Maybe Killer but he is on zoros level imo and Zoro is above Sanji, Killer using sharp weapons as well I don't see the fight going any differently.

He loses against Bonney by default.

XDrake is looking like a beast probably beyond even Luffy right now.

Apoo and Hawkins no idea but seeing how they were able to injure Zoro and their hax DF I'd give them the edge over sanji.

Urouge the Ma.D Monk strongest supernova reigns supreme so no luck here.

Law is not even a question after Dressrosa

Kidd is shaping up to be Luffys rival so again way beyond Sanji, plus his metal defenses would be a problem for sanji or if he gets caught by it.

So imo Sanji<Supernova atm. Everything could change with the upcoming arc and the raid Suit (maybe)

 

[nik87]

@afromarco005 I agree with your points, imo he could probably only beat Bonney but since she's a girl, as you said, he loses by default.
My guess is that Sanji can beat 0 Supernovas.

I think Bege is heavily underestimated or people exclude the fact that when fighting Bege one fights his entire crew, its simply his ability. For the fairness we should exclude Vito and Goti as they seem more notable members of Firetank Pirates. I love how he fired a bullet at Oven and that bullet turned into a cannonball and if by some chance he gets the opponent into himself he is at huge advantage but also can be a double-edged sword if the opponent is very strong to damage his insides.

 

[King Moe]

Merry christmas everyone!
I have seen this debate everywhere today so lets discuss it.
How does Sanji compare to the Supernova power wise? Who do you think he has a chance against if any?

Before the WCI arc I was under the impression that he could maybe beat or at least have a draw against Capone but now that we have seen his big faether form tank several enraged Big Mom's hits, I don't think so anymore.

Maybe Killer but he is on zoros level imo and Zoro is above Sanji, Killer using sharp weapons as well I don't see the fight going any differently.

He loses against Bonney by default.

XDrake is looking like a beast probably beyond even Luffy right now.

Apoo and Hawkins no idea but seeing how they were able to injure Zoro and their hax DF I'd give them the edge over sanji.

Urouge the Ma.D Monk strongest supernova reigns supreme so no luck here.

Law is not even a question after Dressrosa

Kidd is shaping up to be Luffys rival so again way beyond Sanji, plus his metal defenses would be a problem for sanji or if he gets caught by it.

So imo Sanji<Supernova atm. Everything could change with the upcoming arc and the raid Suit (maybe)

Do we really need to continue this talk, Afro -.-? We just stop talking about it.

If I have to judge then, looking right now, The only people Sanji won't manage against is Luffy, Blackbeard, Law, and Bonney (Since she is female after all, not because she is stronger). Kidd I still need to see more feats, but if he is trying to be Luffy's equal as Oda established then maybe. Zoro is his equal and Killer maybe the same if Oda make him as standard to him like Kidd is to Luffy right now, but that remains to be seen and we need more feats from him. Everyone else, I see no chance in Sanji in long run.

Capone while he has good defense, his offense is just shooting and it's his people who do the offense from inside him, so Sanji can get around him with speed and Observation, but he isn't much threat in a head-on fight.

Don't overhype X-Drake now, I can see him doing much, but not to Luffy in a full fight. Zoro probably with his performance as for Sanji, would be interesting exchange, but not the first time he face 'Dino/Dino-Meat' before .

Apoo and Hawkins quite are no good in keeping up with him since Apoo have to put on musical performance which Sanji won't give him a chance to do a dance and sing and Hawkins is made of Straw, Fire>Straw....Hawkins won't survive as it easy to burn straws than cut them all to little pieces especially his can regenerate from cuts. Zoro was a bad matchup for him over that, but Sanji has more advantage for him more.

Urouge, I would have put him, but then I remember since Sanji is facing Queen who is equal with King and Snack was 4th strongest of his group, Sanji surpassed him in opponents and in strength.

So right now it's actually Sanji at lvl of a Supernova, but it depends who he fight, he won't lose to them all, sorry Afro.

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@afromarco005 I agree with your points, imo he could probably only beat Bonney but since she's a girl, as you said, he loses by default.
My guess is that Sanji can beat 0 Supernovas.

I think Bege is heavily underestimated or people exclude the fact that when fighting Bege one fights his entire crew, its simply his ability. For the fairness we should exclude Vito and Goti as they seem more notable members of Firetank Pirates. I love how he fired a bullet at Oven and that bullet turned into a cannonball and if by some chance he gets the opponent into himself he is at huge advantage but also can be a double-edged sword if the opponent is very strong to damage his insides.

My post speaks different and only you guys think Sanji has no chance when WCI and Wano proves otherwise on his performance and where he is heading.

 

[nik87]

My post speaks different

Our posts speak differently than yours too. It's your opinion vs ours, we all think our opinion is right while the other isnt. Respect other opinions please so we can have healthy debate.

 

[King Moe]

Our posts speak differently than yours too. It's your opinion vs ours, we all think our opinion is right while the other isnt. Respect other opinions please so we can have healthy debate.

Underming opinions though, not true factual .

Lets be more deep in our knowledge now and judge right on all characters. I admit who Sanji will lost to, but not everyone.

 

[afromarco005]

Do we really need to continue this talk, Afro -.-? We just stop talking about it.

If I have to judge then, looking right now, The only people Sanji won't manage against is Luffy, Blackbeard, Law, and Bonney (Since she is female after all, not because she is stronger). Kidd I still need to see more feats, but if he is trying to be Luffy's equal as Oda established then maybe. Zoro is his equal and Killer maybe the same if Oda make him as standard to him like Kidd is to Luffy right now, but that remains to be seen and we need more feats from him. Everyone else, I see no chance in Sanji in long run.

Capone while he has good defense, his offense is just shooting and it's his people who do the offense from inside him, so Sanji can get around him with speed and Observation, but he isn't much threat in a head-on fight.

Don't overhype X-Drake now, I can see him doing much, but not to Luffy in a full fight. Zoro probably with his performance as for Sanji, would be interesting exchange, but not the first time he face 'Dino/Dino-Meat' before .

Apoo and Hawkins quite are no good in keeping up with him since Apoo have to put on musical performance which Sanji won't give him a chance to do a dance and sing and Hawkins is made of Straw, Fire>Straw....Hawkins won't survive as it easy to burn straws than cut them all to little pieces especially his can regenerate from cuts. Zoro was a bad matchup for him over that, but Sanji has more advantage for him more.

Urouge, I would have put him, but then I remember since Sanji is facing Queen who is equal with King and Snack was 4th strongest of his group, Sanji surpassed him in opponents and in strength.

So right now it's actually Sanji at lvl of a Supernova, but it depends who he fight, he won't lose to them all, sorry Afro.

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My post speaks different and only you guys think Sanji has no chance when WCI and Wano proves otherwise on his performance and where he is heading.

I only want to know what you guys think about it. We definetly all have different opinions and that's what makes debating fun

 

[King Moe]

I only want to know what you guys think about it. We definetly all have different opinions and that's what makes debating fun

So as long we don't take things too far then I am fine with that.

 

[afromarco005]

Do we really need to continue this talk, Afro -.-? We just stop talking about it.

If I have to judge then, looking right now, The only people Sanji won't manage against is Luffy, Blackbeard, Law, and Bonney (Since she is female after all, not because she is stronger). Kidd I still need to see more feats, but if he is trying to be Luffy's equal as Oda established then maybe. Zoro is his equal and Killer maybe the same if Oda make him as standard to him like Kidd is to Luffy right now, but that remains to be seen and we need more feats from him. Everyone else, I see no chance in Sanji in long run.

Capone while he has good defense, his offense is just shooting and it's his people who do the offense from inside him, so Sanji can get around him with speed and Observation, but he isn't much threat in a head-on fight.

Don't overhype X-Drake now, I can see him doing much, but not to Luffy in a full fight. Zoro probably with his performance as for Sanji, would be interesting exchange, but not the first time he face 'Dino/Dino-Meat' before .

Apoo and Hawkins quite are no good in keeping up with him since Apoo have to put on musical performance which Sanji won't give him a chance to do a dance and sing and Hawkins is made of Straw, Fire>Straw....Hawkins won't survive as it easy to burn straws than cut them all to little pieces especially his can regenerate from cuts. Zoro was a bad matchup for him over that, but Sanji has more advantage for him more.

Urouge, I would have put him, but then I remember since Sanji is facing Queen who is equal with King and Snack was 4th strongest of his group, Sanji surpassed him in opponents and in strength.

So right now it's actually Sanji at lvl of a Supernova, but it depends who he fight, he won't lose to them all, sorry Afro.

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My post speaks different and only you guys think Sanji has no chance when WCI and Wano proves otherwise on his performance and where he is heading.

Dont underestimate Urouge Snack was still a sweet commander, and he still managed to fight win and get away from the enraged army and cracker.

Not even Luffy could hope to fight 2 Yonko commanders back to back and get away (seeing as he got his ass in prison and almost had to rip his arms off to get away.).

Urouge is top 3 Supernova right now and in my opinion the strongest.

 

[King Moe]

Dont underestimate Urouge Snack was still a sweet commander, and he still managed to fight win and get away from the enraged army and cracker.

Not even Luffy could hope to fight 2 Yonko commanders back to back and get away (seeing as he got his ass in prison and almost had to rip his arms off to get away.).

Urouge is top 3 Supernova right now and in my opinion the strongest.

Not underestimating Urouge, but we saw him bandaged up after his fight with Snack. Luffy was able to handle more than him.

He is one of the strongest around, but since the plot is making Sanji fighting Queen who's power and position is higher than Snack in his own crew, then Sanji is stronger than Urouge in that regard.