Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[nik87]

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Not the entire community as many say it be like his siblings despite what happened prior and in the end it proven right on those who have common sense it's not a 'dud' lol. Just saying I know you love to troll and all, but putting that as fact it will happen isn't Oda's way of thinking like that.

Well you can see that when I am not trolling you I actually have a correct guess. Everyone expected a suit but joked with a dress in case Oda decides to troll, since he loves comedy.

Idk your not the only one I seen with the invisibility idea in the community. It was kinda spread somewhat, so hard to say your truly the one only thinking about it, but I give you props on trying to be open-minded XD.

I didnt say I am the only one who thought of it, just that I called it a while ago...

 

[Deleted member 169696]

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Well you can see that when I am not trolling you I actually have a correct guess. Everyone expected a suit but joked with a dress in case Oda decides to troll, since he loves comedy.


I didnt say I am the only one who thought of it, just that I called it a while ago...

Good job predicting the invisibility thing!

I'm so excited about the suit. As always I also wish Sanji improves his base stats as well. But the suit itself does look very very awesome!

 

[nik87]

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@Pea Yeah, its pretty impressive. I hope he can modify some parts of the suit tho, like change back the hairstyle and maybe remove the shades since he's pretty much all covered up. It's hard to see emotions like that but I really dig the mask. I liked it on the color spread as well few chapters ago.
If he manages to somehow modify it he could lose the number 3 maybe and change the Germa66 badge on the belt.
Overall, very cool looking and I hope it somehow put's his hands to use as well.

 

[afromarco005]

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Wow the raid suit didn't disappoint! It easily has the best design out of all the germa raid suits plus invisibility thats dope and goes with sanji deepest desires, now this rises the question of how in the world did judge or whoever designed this suit know what Sanji likes? Did judge send a spy to look after sanji a bit after he joined zeff?

About Pagey, I knew he was super strong and I like how despite all the new powers he still manages to hold his own unlike what many predicted.

Anyways very hyped for the chapter!!!

 

[King Moe]

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Well you can see that when I am not trolling you I actually have a correct guess. Everyone expected a suit but joked with a dress in case Oda decides to troll, since he loves comedy.


I didnt say I am the only one who thought of it, just that I called it a while ago...

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We know how he jokes at times. Though when times are serious like this fight, Oda doesn't put comedy in things as it feel misplaced and flow especially saying its a dud. There a time and place for everything after all.

I know, still good job to you. I can give props when someone is right .

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Good job predicting the invisibility thing!

I'm so excited about the suit. As always I also wish Sanji improves his base stats as well. But the suit itself does look very very awesome!

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Pretty sure he will improve on his base as looking at the spoilers, despite how cool and powers, he still hates being refer to Germa, so still chances he won't use it every time for a fight and might be special 'occasions' only. He can't rely on suit forever after all when in a situation. Hope after his fight with King or Queen, his Haki grows and there theory RS can unlock latent genes from his experimentation. Think its possible as the theory him getting invisibility was correct, so many other theories involving his powers and RS is possible too .

 

[nik87]

That doesn't mean anything as Sanji hit him again while in RS while he couldn't keep up his speed and still hurt him and push him back. He is in Feral Mode, so he is expecting a fight and battle, so don't think you can use excuse he 'wasn't expecting a fight' on that. Plus he is testing out RS with him and took it like that to gauge his strength, but he never said he will lose or have trouble without RS. Plus like Lightning said, Sanji has yet to really do his techniques or try using DJ or Haki yet against him in both states, so it doesn't prove he can't handle him or higher-ups without his RS much at all. He still have a lot of potential without.

Well to get the facts straight...
Sanji in raid suit hit P1 in full Zoan form after transformation when P1 tried to bite him and Sanji vanished so P1 was wondering where did he go.
That says nothing about speed, only that Sanji is invisible. Not sure why you added speed into your argument.

After P1 went into hybrid form he blew Sanji away while Sanji kicked back on his attack.
The next clash is off panel when Sanji came down from the sky and P1 thought that Sanji was defeated and that he had to go find his body.
Let's not assume too much and stick to the facts.

@King Moe @~Charging Lightning~
Let's not pollute spoiler discussion thread with usual Sanji discussion so let's shift it here.

In your opinion, why do you think Oda felt the need to give raid suit to Sanji at all if he is strong enough and has no need for it?

 

[King Moe]

Well to get the facts straight...
Sanji in raid suit hit P1 in full Zoan form after transformation when P1 tried to bite him and Sanji vanished so P1 was wondering where did he go.
That says nothing about speed, only that Sanji is invisible. Not sure why you added speed into your argument.

After P1 went into hybrid form he blew Sanji away while Sanji kicked back on his attack.
The next clash is off panel when Sanji came down from the sky and P1 thought that Sanji was defeated and that he had to go find his body.
Let's not assume too much and stick to the facts.

@King Moe @~Charging Lightning~
Let's not pollute spoiler discussion thread with usual Sanji discussion so let's shift it here.

In your opinion, why do you think Oda felt the need to give raid suit to Sanji at all if he is strong enough and has no need for it?

Thank you for taking the talk to this side and sure thing. Now back on topic at hand:

Pretty sure it was a mixture of Sanji's speed and invisibility, but he already shown he can speed blitz others as shown with Oven and Daifuku. If it was only invisibility, PO would have still got him despite disappearing.

True, but the scene hinted more that Sanji let himself take more brunt especially he still using nameless kicks in fighting back. Not yet we seen him try to insert his name attacks, Haki, or even DJ yet, so that shows he hasn't put more serious into the fight even before using RS he still use unnamed attacks. Plus if we going with context, he never stated, this guy is trouble that he needs the suit for power, just that if he fought all-out, the issue he be find out as the concern. Not getting hurt or fear of losing. Just finding out like how Luffy and Zoro did when they got caught and make situation worse on their side. If they knew Sanji's identity too, it mean more this isn't coincidence and that they been invaded by Strawhats and more, causing trouble for everyone.

Well in my opinion, since if we go by what Oda would think and so far seeing as one of the theories with invisibility was proven, there is a chance this could unlock his latent genes from RS to give him more power later on and won't need the suit much (Not that he would desperately depend on it more). It can unlock something more hidden inside of him and grant him, not only stuff he can do without RS like invisibility like his siblings can use their powers outside their suits, but perhaps a boost in his fire power as well and different color flames. Plus the factor is also the more tougher opponents one faces, Haki grows stronger, so Sanji whether wearing the suit or not, will have his power grow in his Haki and won't really depend on it much as you realize.

I could see this being more as a temporarily thing with the suit and being something more for Oda as he doesn't think Sanji is weak at all, but perhaps unlocking something much stronger than inside of him through the RS. Get what I mean?

 

[nik87]

Well in my opinion, since if we go by what Oda would think and so far seeing as one of the theories with invisibility was proven, there is a chance this could unlock his latent genes from RS to give him more power later on and won't need the suit much (Not that he would desperately depend on it more). It can unlock something more hidden inside of him and grant him, not only stuff he can do without RS like invisibility like his siblings can use their powers outside their suits, but perhaps a boost in his fire power as well and different color flames. Plus the factor is also the more tougher opponents one faces, Haki grows stronger, so Sanji whether wearing the suit or not, will have his power grow in his Haki and won't really depend on it much as you realize.

I could see this being more as a temporarily thing with the suit and being something more for Oda as he doesn't think Sanji is weak at all, but perhaps unlocking something much stronger than inside of him through the RS. Get what I mean?

Well, I dont know... There are 2 conflicting sides as to what Oda has in plan with Sanji.
Dont get me wrong, I dont think that Sanji is weak, on the contrary but as strong as he is let's face it, there are many individuals who are stronger than him and not only him but also stronger than Zoro and Luffy.

One side where Oda could take this is the side without Raid Suit, exoskeleton modifications and Armament haki development. This side is supported with things like that he yet didnt show what he learned during 2 years of training and that he didnt show hardening version of armament.

The other side has things that back it up as well. If Oda wanted to make Sanji a leg-style version of Garp he would never give him the Raid Suit and he wouldnt say that Sanji excels in CoO instead of CoA. The suit is totally legit power-up but for it to make sense then Sanji without suit should be weaker, because where is the logic in giving him a power-up if he doesnt need one...

Even with the suit, Sanji has to be an underdog in fights, like all other Strawhats and alliance members to create tension and that audience fears for their well-being. I am leaning more for the other side because I think the suit looks amazing and opens up more possibilities for Sanji's combat style because he already nerfed himself by using only legs.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Well to get the facts straight...
Sanji in raid suit hit P1 in full Zoan form after transformation when P1 tried to bite him and Sanji vanished so P1 was wondering where did he go.
That says nothing about speed, only that Sanji is invisible. Not sure why you added speed into your argument.

After P1 went into hybrid form he blew Sanji away while Sanji kicked back on his attack.
The next clash is off panel when Sanji came down from the sky and P1 thought that Sanji was defeated and that he had to go find his body.
Let's not assume too much and stick to the facts.

@King Moe @~Charging Lightning~
Let's not pollute spoiler discussion thread with usual Sanji discussion so let's shift it here.

In your opinion, why do you think Oda felt the need to give raid suit to Sanji at all if he is strong enough and has no need for it?

Eh, tbf Sanji was fighting in the chapter so there's nothing wrong with talking about his power in that thread. It would be bad if Zoro got mixed up into the discussion tho lmao.

Anyway back to your question I'm one of the peeps who doesn't mind Sanji using the suit but also sees why people aren't that happy about it. Imo Oda giving Sanji the raid suit isn't a way of saying he's weak and he needs it, after all he never implies that Zoro is weak when he picks up a new legendary sword. The suit's main function is for stealth in the first place, this isn't DBZ where only power matters, stealth is pretty important in a world like One Piece. I'm not gonna pretend that he doesn't receive any boost at all, his speed can be increased if he decides to use the boosters and his cape is pretty durable but other than that it seems like his base stats are still his.

 

[King Moe]

Well, I dont know... There are 2 conflicting sides as to what Oda has in plan with Sanji.
Dont get me wrong, I dont think that Sanji is weak, on the contrary but as strong as he is let's face it, there are many individuals who are stronger than him and not only him but also stronger than Zoro and Luffy.

One side where Oda could take this is the side without Raid Suit, exoskeleton modifications and Armament haki development. This side is supported with things like that he yet didnt show what he learned during 2 years of training and that he didnt show hardening version of armament.

The other side has things that back it up as well. If Oda wanted to make Sanji a leg-style version of Garp he would never give him the Raid Suit and he wouldnt say that Sanji excels in CoO instead of CoA. The suit is totally legit power-up but for it to make sense then Sanji without suit should be weaker, because where is the logic in giving him a power-up if he doesnt need one...

Even with the suit, Sanji has to be an underdog in fights, like all other Strawhats and alliance members to create tension and that audience fears for their well-being. I am leaning more for the other side because I think the suit looks amazing and opens up more possibilities for Sanji's combat style because he already nerfed himself by using only legs.

Pretty sure Oda is still aiming on something more to make Sanji stronger as even he doesn't see it as a dependent of strength for him that without it, he is useless and can't handle big threats as sooner or later, RS won't be there for him all the time and he will need to rely on his own power. Looking how Sanji said he use it for disguise and not rather power especially so far he still using same moves so not much different from how he usually fights, so pretty sure we can see Oda using it to unlock something stronger for Sanji to use later on and fight majorly without it. Many potentials Sanji still has and since Oda can be unpredictable, he can make a different in a change we never expect much. Have to wait and see, but until then Sanji is a fighter to the end in without or with RS as seen and strength is same as well.

 

[afromarco005]

With invisibility Sanji can save Luffy, Kidd and Robin (assuming that he doest get captured himself by Pagey and co).

I love the Idea of the raid suit as a bonus to Sanji's palette of moves/ability.

Invisibility is a neat power up for him (even though observation haki is a thing)
Not as a replacement for regular training and "leveling up".
However it makes sense for him to rely on the suit for the time beeing imo until he improves his haki.

On another note I believe that there is more to the raid suit than just invisibility, or at least there will be more attacks.
Maybe we will get a special prefix to his attacks like luffy's gear second attacks become "jet", his could become "clear" or "stealth"

 

[M3J]

Eh, tbf Sanji was fighting in the chapter so there's nothing wrong with talking about his power in that thread. It would be bad if Zoro got mixed up into the discussion tho lmao.

Anyway back to your question I'm one of the peeps who doesn't mind Sanji using the suit but also sees why people aren't that happy about it. Imo Oda giving Sanji the raid suit isn't a way of saying he's weak and he needs it, after all he never implies that Zoro is weak when he picks up a new legendary sword. The suit's main function is for stealth in the first place, this isn't DBZ where only power matters, stealth is pretty important in a world like One Piece. I'm not gonna pretend that he doesn't receive any boost at all, his speed can be increased if he decides to use the boosters and his cape is pretty durable but other than that it seems like his base stats are still his.

To add, Sani even said he was using the suit to disguise himself, not because he lacked the strength. Besides which, Sanji is smart, he's not gonna refuse to use something that can help the mission just because.

 

[Lost in you]

To add, Sani even said he was using the suit to disguise himself, not because he lacked the strength. Besides which, Sanji is smart, he's not gonna refuse to use something that can help the mission just because.

Didn't he already refused to do something and it kinda backfired? Like when he didn't want to hit a woman and almost killed his shipmates.

 

[King Moe]

Didn't he already refused to do something and it kinda backfired? Like when he didn't want to hit a woman and almost killed his shipmates.

Not really at all. Where you referring to?

 

[M3J]

Didn't he already refused to do something and it kinda backfired? Like when he didn't want to hit a woman and almost killed his shipmates.

Yeah, but that was a matter of his ethic. Though, I wonder if he'd have still not fought Kalifa if Nami wasn't going to fight her.

 

[King Moe]

Yeah, but that was a matter of his ethic. Though, I wonder if he'd have still not fought Kalifa if Nami wasn't going to fight her.

He probably will defend her to the end, but not attack like how Sanji and Luffy protect Reiju from Big Mom (Woman, Monster Yonko, but still Woman) from getting hit, so his code is just not to strike them down as he can if he wants, but didn't say he can't defend against them and go in if need be.

 

[Lost in you]

Yeah, but that was a matter of his ethic. Though, I wonder if he'd have still not fought Kalifa if Nami wasn't going to fight her.

I doubt that he would, because if he went against his own ethics than he would betray Zeff and also Luffy in a way.
Luffy know how Sanji is and wouldn't want him to change his own beliefs for Luffy's sake.

He probably will defend her to the end, but not attack like how Sanji and Luffy protect Reiju from Big Mom (Woman, Monster Yonko, but still Woman) from getting hit, so his code is just not to strike them down as he can if he wants, but didn't say he can't defend against them and go in if need be.

By "go in", do you mean to fight them?

 

[King Moe]

I doubt that he would, because if he went against his own ethics than he would betray Zeff and also Luffy in a way.
Luffy know how Sanji is and wouldn't want him to change his own beliefs for Luffy's sake.



By "go in", do you mean to fight them?

Well it be like with his fight with Kalifia as he is capable of blocking attacks from women, but can't hit him so in a way is 'go in' about it, but that is as far he goes when fighting against them.

 

[afromarco005]

So how did Sanji vs Page the savage end in your opinion?

1. Sanji won
2. Page the savage won
3. interrupted/undecided

I think that it's the last option, the clash was a setup for a fight later during the arc.

 

[Pirate Queen]

So how did Sanji vs Page the savage end in your opinion?

1. Sanji won
2. Page the savage won
3. interrupted/undecided

I think that it's the last option, the clash was a setup for a fight later during the arc.

Sanji won this one, I dont think Sanji will end this arc fighting anything less than a commander level opponent.