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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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I feel like Sanji would benefit from having some kind of projectile or mid long range attacks of some sort.

Knowing Franky he will add weapons maybe compressed wind/gaz canons so sanji can throw fire from his suit.
He could always get a Rankyaku variant that he should've had since the time skip.

As for the poll, I put an All Star. Oda's made this Tobi Roppo challenge incredibly relevant, so I imagine he'll either get a newly promoted Tobi Roppo or an All Star who kept their position.

Either way, hopefully he'll get an All Star level opponent.

If implications are to be believe, we basically have 5 All Star level opponents running around.
 
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What if he does have longer-ranged attacks though? Has he ever needed to attack long range?
 

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He could always get a Rankyaku variant that he should've had since the time skip.

As for the poll, I put an All Star. Oda's made this Tobi Roppo challenge incredibly relevant, so I imagine he'll either get a newly promoted Tobi Roppo or an All Star who kept their position.

Either way, hopefully he'll get an All Star level opponent.

If implications are to be believe, we basically have 5 All Star level opponents running around.
All Star level - King, Queen, Jack

Probable - Drake, Sasaki, Who's Who
Possible - Black Maria, Ulti, Page One

And then we still have 2 more at least at that All Star level - Smoothie and Snack (he may have been demoted, but he was a YC, and that would at least put him at top Tobi Roppo I think).

Then from BM's crew you have Oven and Daifuku who are probably at the "probable" level for being at the All Star level, or close to it.

So many potential strong opponents around...I really hope Oda doesn't let us down! Give Sanji Queen. If not him...the strongest Tobi Roppo, or Snack.
 

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With Jinbe finally in the crew, Strawhats got a reliable member who can deal with water and currently in the crew there are 4 Devil fruit users and 6 members without a Devil fruit ability. With Jinbes abilities the crew should be safe even if they fall into the water so maybe Sanjino can finally eat a devil fruit... Hopefully, one that will make him strong instead of an even bigger gag character.
agree with jinbe as an asset for the crew, and necessary too, most off other crews have a fm wthout a fm at some point it would have become detrimential for luffy's crew.
but regarding sanji I dont want him at all neither characters like shanks or zoro or even usopp to become devil fruits users, idk what makes them interesting is precisely the fact they re not fruit users, sanji is good as he is, he needs more shining moments but hes no way weak, maybe some suit upgrades but please no devil fruits it would ruin the character.
 

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agree with jinbe as an asset for the crew, and necessary too, most off other crews have a fm wthout a fm at some point it would have become detrimential for luffy's crew.
but regarding sanji I dont want him at all neither characters like shanks or zoro or even usopp to become devil fruits users, idk what makes them interesting is precisely the fact they re not fruit users, sanji is good as he is, he needs more shining moments but hes no way weak, maybe some suit upgrades but please no devil fruits it would ruin the character.
Well, it's one way to get stronger but you are probably right, if he didnt eat one by now he probably never will.
Also, it depends where Oda wants to place him power level wise, maybe I have too high expectations of him as a fighter.
As he is now, he is weak for my standards and if he wants to eventually face an Admiral to at least stall him he needs to be a lot stronger.
Oda holds all the cards, Sanji can use the most basic kick on Kaido and the only thing stopping him from killing Kaido is Oda drawing it...
 

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Sanji most likely won't eat a devil fruit. Isn't the only devil fruit he ever wanted to eat the one that allows the user to be invisible? He also said he would rather be able to swim, and as one of the fastest swimmers on the crew, there's even less likelihood of him eating a fruit.
 

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Nothing wrong with having more than one expert swimmers, especially given the number of fruit users on the crew.

Plus, Jinbe can't be everywhere, especially if someone falls while he's helming the ship.
 

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Sanji doesn't need a devil fruit to reach his potential or be a force in the team. Part of the gag of his character is that he can't have the things he wants or receives unfair punishment because he's a pervert (not being able to get the suke suke no mi, being sent to an okama island as part of his training, meeting beautiful mermaids but bleeding profusely). It's part of his charm, it should stay that way.

Plus he's an insanely good swimmer in a crew where devil fruit users make up nearly half its members.
 

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Going by Power scailing...
I seriously wonder why would it be so bad that Sanji fights an F6.

We just seen a taste or what SN captains are made of..they a Threats to the status quo, or find a decent ranking within a Yonkou's crew.

Drake a SN is a F6. & P1 is a F6 who Sanji seemed to have been even with.

So I think they are the perfect opponent for Sanji..Hell even if he has to fight 2 of them! Guantlet style, it'll be impressive either way.

As for All Stars. I definitely believe they are way above Raid Suit Sanji. Sanji isnt a haki master enough to fill that gap in skill & power yet.

Also really really hope. Sanji takes the infiltration route, with his RS going invisible & moving super fast to knock out rooms of enemies. Robin would be a good partner for Sanji too this arc.. Friendship boost & Chivalry boost would be awesome to see Sanji push limits or pull off some badass save
 

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As for All Stars. I definitely believe they are way above Raid Suit Sanji. Sanji isnt a haki master enough to fill that gap in skill & power yet.
But that would be the point of them fighting. Like Luffy growing fighting with Katakuri, Sanji would grow in his fight with an All Star.

There's nothing interesting seeing people fight against characters they're even with. I want to see them fight people who are stronger than them so they can overcome those opponents and leave the fight significantly stronger than when they began. Endgame is coming up and the opponents are just going to get stronger, so Sanji, Zoro, and even Jinbe need to be on the level to be Luffy's main combat pillars.
 

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Page One doesn't even come across as a good fighter since he lost to Sanji quite easily anyway. Sanji would need a much tougher opponent.
 

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But that would be the point of them fighting. Like Luffy growing fighting with Katakuri, Sanji would grow in his fight with an All Star.

There's nothing interesting seeing people fight against characters they're even with. I want to see them fight people who are stronger than them so they can overcome those opponents and leave the fight signficantly stronger than when they began.
I wouldn't use Luffy as an example of growth simply because of his lv starting the Ts..& his fast back to back fight journey of reaching top Commander lvs

Compared to Sanji's controversial & highly debated track record.

I'm making a point, so mentioning these characters for that reason...Killer imo always thought would fight SH swordsmans and be a good fight for him, he wasnt he was weaker than SH swordsman...Hawkins on the other hand seemed to be more even with SH swordsman, and the battle was still entertaining & interesting as it was left unsettled and there is still a threat and obstacle to overcome.

So I understand your opinion of it may not be entertaining. But I disagree, it will still be a close fight to where Sanji has to overcome his opponent. & it will be crazy for Sanjinto have to do it twice under more dire circumstsnces...

As It pertains to All Stars...Other combatants imo are just stronger and will be paired against the All stars. Sanji 1 vs 1 against All stars...Idk 330k bounty vs 1b bounty..just dont see it with his skills
 

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That fact that normal character can be equal or above beasts with DF or Weapons is just insanely impressive in a manga like One Piece. I want Sanji to keep up his physicality. It's way more impressive that he is a top tier without a Weapon or DF
 

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I'm making a point, so mentioning these characters for that reason...Killer imo always thought would fight SH swordsmans and be a good fight for him, he wasnt he was weaker than SH swordsman...Hawkins on the other hand seemed to be more even with SH swordsman, and the battle was still entertaining & interesting as it was left unsettled and there is still a threat and obstacle to overcome.

So I understand your opinion of it may not be entertaining. But I disagree, it will still be a close fight to where Sanji has to overcome his opponent. & it will be crazy for Sanjinto have to do it twice under more dire circumstsnces...

As It pertains to All Stars...Other combatants imo are just stronger and will be paired against the All stars. Sanji 1 vs 1 against All stars...Idk 330k bounty vs 1b bounty..just dont see it with his skills
Let me clarify, if Sanji fights Who's Who or Sasaki of the Tobi Roppo, I'd be fine with that. Because, as I mentioned earlier, they are implied to be on the level of the All Stars. Drake would also be fine, but I don't see their fight lasting long due to Drake's double agent status.

Sanji fighting Page One again, a character who he not only fought against, but held a signifcant advantage over while not even using his full repertoire, isn't going to offer any growth or any new perspective. He may have more moves, but from what we saw, it isn't going to do much against Sanji with a Raid Suit. So basically, I don't want that at all.

Zoro taking out Killer didn't do much for his growth. He was a capable opponent, and will probably continue to be one in the future, but that skirmish did nothing to bring Zoro to the next level. Same with Hawkins and even Apoo. They are peers who can give a good fight and obstacle, but will not necessarily push these characters to a higher level.

It wouldn't be crazy, especially if the opponent is significantly weaker than the next opponent. It's happened several time in the series already. From Kalifa to Jabra. From Absalom to Oars. Hell, we could even include this past chapter in the case of Luffy and Zoro.

Bounties are not the end all be all and can change to reflect someone's growth in power. Sanji having a 330k bounty doesn't mean he can't match up to a Billion Bounty All Star when the time comes. We've seen this time and time and time again in this series. Plus, unlike previous arcs, we will now have legitimate excuses as to why they can eventually take on these threats. Sanji has a Raid Suit which we haven't seen him use to it's upper limit. Nevermind any other potential Diable Jambe technique he hasn't popped out yet. It's the same argument for Zoro while we're at it. They have the tools, they just need to face a threat that will allow them achieve new levels of mastery with them.

That fact that normal character can be equal or above beasts with DF or Weapons is just insanely impressive in a manga like One Piece. I want Sanji to keep up his physicality. It's way more impressive that he is a top tier without a Weapon or DF
I'm still high key hoping his Raid Suit gets destroyed for a gag and he uses his explosive anger to win.

As a side, side note, I also believe that if Sanji and Zoro don't have a one on one fight with the All Stars, they will have a Three Way Dance with the All Stars and the Tobi Roppo. Which means that Sanji, Sasaki, and Queen will probably have a fight against each other and Zoro, Who's Who, and King will fight against each other. That way, they won't get completely dominated if they aren't strong enough to take on an All Star since they'll have someone taking a bit of the heat off of them.
 
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Let me clarify, if Sanji fights Who's Who or Sasaki of the Tobi Roppo, I'd be fine with that. Because, as I mentioned earlier, they are implied to be on the level of the All Stars. Drake would also be fine, but I don't see their fight lasting long due to Drake's double agent status.

Sanji fighting Page One again, a character who he not only fought against, but held a signifcant advantage over while not even using his full repertoire, isn't going to offer any growth or any new perspective. He may have more moves, but from what we saw, it isn't going to do much against Sanji with a Raid Suit. So basically, I don't want that at all.

Zoro taking out Killer didn't do much for his growth. He was a capable opponent, and will probably continue to be one in the future, but that skirmish did nothing to bring Zoro to the next level. Same with Hawkins and even Apoo. They are peers who can give a good fight and obstacle, but will not necessarily push these characters to a higher level.

It wouldn't be crazy, especially if the opponent is significantly weaker than the next opponent. It's happened several time in the series already. From Kalifa to Jabra. From Absalom to Oars. Hell, we could even include this past chapter in the case of Luffy and Zoro.

Bounties are not the end all be all and can change to reflect someone's growth in power. Sanji having a 330k bounty doesn't mean he can't match up to a Billion Bounty All Star when the time comes. We've seen this time and time and time again in this series. Plus, unlike previous arcs, we will now have legitimate excuses as to why they can eventually take on these threats. Sanji has a Raid Suit which we haven't seen him use to it's upper limit. Nevermind any other potential Diable Jambe technique he hasn't popped out yet. It's the same argument for Zoro while we're at it. They have the tools, they just need to face a threat that will allow them achieve new levels of mastery with
F6 overall in general are going to be good opponents for any combatant. They are promotional All star lv basically.

Sanji didnt finish his fight...Simple as this. I want him to finish a fight. He did not have a serious advantage over P1. He had speed & stealth, P1 overpowered Sanji & had defense, so it needs to he finished...

After that match Sanji isnt going to be 100%..If he has to fight another fight on that lv. growth is there to be obtained. Struggle is sure to ensue...

Stop mentioning previous Enemy lineups that are bad examples in comparison to commanders..the power gap is different

Either way, we'll find out. With so many stronger than Sanji and more story line tied in vs the all stars..Sanji is almost stuck with the F6..and who's who to say...see what I did there lol...no but seriously who's to say they aren't stronger than Sanji..they are conquered captains..almost a sub SN already
 

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Eh, Sanji has a Raid Suit, so he's not unaided.

He'd need to master some form of haki to be relevant without the RS.

I agree generally, in that I would not want to see Sanji have a DF. I don't think Sanji eating a fruit would assassinate his character, or rather, I don't think it'd be too much trouble for Oda to write it in.
 

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Either way, I still don't see Sanji fighting Page One again when he already beat him. Plus, it'd be boring, I'd rather see Sanji take on tougher opponents with or without the raid suit (preferably without). If Sanji uses the raid suit again, he'll likely beat up Page One nearly just as easily.

I also don't see why he can't take on Queen either or opponents way stronger than Page One.
 

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Either way, I still don't see Sanji fighting Page One again when he already beat him.
Sanji didn't beat Page One in the manga...
 
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