Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Shasha23]

In the anime, was page one defeated?

No, Sanji retreated after stopping Page One from destroying the shops in the area

 

[HereNThere]

F6 overall in general are going to be good opponents for any combatant. They are promotional All star lv basically.

Sanji didnt finish his fight...Simple as this. I want him to finish a fight. He did not have a serious advantage over P1. He had speed & stealth, P1 overpowered Sanji & had defense, so it needs to he finished...

After that match Sanji isnt going to be 100%..If he has to fight another fight on that lv. growth is there to be obtained. Struggle is sure to ensue...

Stop mentioning previous Enemy lineups that are bad examples in comparison to commanders..the power gap is different

Either way, we'll find out. With so many stronger than Sanji and more story line tied in vs the all stars..Sanji is almost stuck with the F6..and who's who to say...see what I did there lol...no but seriously who's to say they aren't stronger than Sanji..they are conquered captains..almost a sub SN already

He doesn't really need to finish it. It was a short clash that Sanji held the advantage in. Page One was physically superior, but Sanji was still kicking him around easily without going all out.

If anything, the fight set up a confrontation with Drake since he was gunning for Sanji hard after that fight and the two came into contact twice after the fact. Those two also have unfinished business technically. Doubly so since Drake recognized Sanji as a Vinsmoke.

100% doesn't really matter. He's a Strawhat. He could get trashed by Ulti and move on to fight Queen and win.

I didn't bring them up to compare their power level, but to demonstrate that there is a pattern of Strawhats fighting and/or getting hurt by weaker opponents, due to a variety of circumstances, only to come back later fight opponents much stronger. There is a large gap in power level between then and now, but it's still a narrative and Oda has his patterns.

Who's Who and Sasaki? Sure. As you said, they are promotional All Stars.

Drake? Maybe. Not sure what Oda plans to do with him.

Ulti and Black Maria, obviously due to Sanji's quirk.

Page One? Nah. We're not going to agree on this one though. To me, the chapter made it clear that Sanji was stronger, despite not putting him down permanently.

 

[Fox666]

In the anime, was page one defeated?

The anime was weird

 

[afromarco005]

In the anime, was page one defeated?

No Sanji Ran away.

I was rereading wano and the oden flashback and they kept hyping the largest war that ever was 20 years in the future( present). So what I think is that the marines (admirals) and at least one other yonko crew (shanks imo as he often has buisness with the world government ) will join the fray.

Lets be real there is no way Luffy kidd and law can beat 2 yonkos that's dumb.

Also based on how marineford was written there probably wont be any traditional one vs one battle in this war rather many clashes and 2/3 v 1s.

All of this makes me think that the matchups we are arguing for may not even happen in the end or fujitora will end up being queen or king's oponnent.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

No, Sanji retreated after stopping Page One from destroying the shops in the area

Full fight sanji vs page one will be cool

 

[thedude]

No Sanji Ran away.

I was rereading wano and the oden flashback and they kept hyping the largest war that ever was 20 years in the future( present). So what I think is that the marines (admirals) and at least one other yonko crew (shanks imo as he often has buisness with the world government ) will join the fray.

Lets be real there is no way Luffy kidd and law can beat 2 yonkos that's dumb.

Also based on how marineford was written there probably wont be any traditional one vs one battle in this war rather many clashes and 2/3 v 1s.

All of this makes me think that the matchups we are arguing for may not even happen in the end or fujitora will end up being queen or king's oponnent.

We saw the marine leaders very explicitly say they are staying out of it.

I can see those 3 beating 2 Yoko's easily...it's a manga! That's what happens! Luffy vs Kaido (Could start as Luffy and Zoro or others, but it will end 1v1), then Law and Kidd vs BM.

I don't think people properly get that we are nearing endgame and some of these characters are near Yonko level already.

Back to Sanji. Sanji vs P1 is boring, he didn't have any issues hitting him at will last time, P1 was out of commission afterwards, it's boring. Not saying he has to fight Queen, but Who's Who or Sasaki or Drake are more interesting (I think one of Who's Who or Sasaki have a sword, so that one is out). I'd prefer Queen in the end though.

(I'm also convinced that the only reason people are mentioning P1 as a matchup is to troll Sanji fans...but that's a topic for their therapists, not for me)

 

[afromarco005]

We saw the marine leaders very explicitly say they are staying out of it.

I can see those 3 beating 2 Yoko's easily...it's a manga! That's what happens! Luffy vs Kaido (Could start as Luffy and Zoro or others, but it will end 1v1), then Law and Kidd vs BM.

I don't think people properly get that we are nearing endgame and some of these characters are near Yonko level already.

Back to Sanji. Sanji vs P1 is boring, he didn't have any issues hitting him at will last time, P1 was out of commission afterwards, it's boring. Not saying he has to fight Queen, but Who's Who or Sasaki or Drake are more interesting (I think one of Who's Who or Sasaki have a sword, so that one is out). I'd prefer Queen in the end though.

But we also saw Drake giving them info. If he tells headquarters that there is a chance for them to catch 2 weakened yonko then they will most likely go for it.

There is no way the marines wont try to stop what is probably the strongest pirate alliance ever especially if they have unexpected outside help.

Page one was never shown defeated even the anime says otherwise and the dude was just fine the next time he was shown.

But I dont wanna repeat the same arguments we've had for many pages now.
If you want to believe sanji koed Page the savage even when everything shows the opposite then do as you will.

 

[thedude]

But we also saw Drake giving them info. If he tells headquarters that there is a chance for them to catch 2 weakened yonko then they will most likely go for it.

There is no way the marines wont try to stop what is probably the strongest pirate alliance ever especially if they have unexpected outside help.

Page one was never shown defeated even the anime says otherwise and the dude was just fine the next time he was shown.

But I dont wanna repeat the same arguments we've had for many pages now.
If you want to believe sanji koed Page the savage even when everything shows the opposite then do as you will.

"there is now way..."...but we just saw them say they don't have the manpower to stop them, and that Wano isn't in their jurisdiction and that they aren't going.

The manga shows Sanji effortlessly attacking him, and then P1 isn't around with Drake and Hawkins anymore. It's a few weeks later and he's back again.

I only use manga. Sanji didn't have issues with P1. For me, a P1 "rematch" is pointless. This isn't Luffy vs Lucci in Water 7. Sanji, to the reader, doesn't need to "prove" himself vs P1 anymore. P1 couldn't keep up with him in any form.

 

[Fox666]

"there is now way..."...but we just saw them say they don't have the manpower to stop them, and that Wano isn't in their jurisdiction and that they aren't going.

The manga shows Sanji effortlessly attacking him, and then P1 isn't around with Drake and Hawkins anymore. It's a few weeks later and he's back again.

I only use manga. Sanji didn't have issues with P1. For me, a P1 "rematch" is pointless. This isn't Luffy vs Lucci in Water 7. Sanji, to the reader, doesn't need to "prove" himself vs P1 anymore. P1 couldn't keep up with him in any form.

I wouldn't say Sanji could fight Page One effortlessly...

Regarding issues, wasn't Sanji upset that Page One attacked the citizens?

 

[Shasha23]

We saw the marine leaders very explicitly say they are staying out of it.

I can see those 3 beating 2 Yoko's easily...it's a manga! That's what happens! Luffy vs Kaido (Could start as Luffy and Zoro or others, but it will end 1v1), then Law and Kidd vs BM.

I don't think people properly get that we are nearing endgame and some of these characters are near Yonko level already.

Back to Sanji. Sanji vs P1 is boring, he didn't have any issues hitting him at will last time, P1 was out of commission afterwards, it's boring. Not saying he has to fight Queen, but Who's Who or Sasaki or Drake are more interesting (I think one of Who's Who or Sasaki have a sword, so that one is out). I'd prefer Queen in the end though.

(I'm also convinced that the only reason people are mentioning P1 as a matchup is to troll Sanji fans...but that's a topic for their therapists, not for me)

The problem with Luffy being the one to down Kaido is that Luffy doesnt kill and Kaido has to die or he will just com back to Wano over and over again, also once the fighting begins i think the 5 supernovas will go all the way until Kaido is dead i dont think some will stop halfway to fight Big Mum when they dont have any build up with her, the only one who has any build up and who Big Mum is there for is Luffy, but our MC wants to fight Kaido not Big Mum so as i have said for a long time now, Big Mum wont interfere in the fighting

Yes people might be near yonko but Kaido is the strongest of all yonko so the gap between near yonko, yonko and Kaido should be a lot.

Sanji was indeed was landing hits on Page One no problem but none of them did damage because Sanji has weak CoA if any at all, so Sanji vs Page One again would be fitting, the fight will help Sanji advance his haki to the point of him being relevant again in high level fights.

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Regarding issues, wasn't Sanji upset that Page One attacked the citizens?

He was, the only reason Sanji even fought him in the first place was because Page One was destroying the shops and attacking that family.

 

[thedude]

The problem with Luffy being the one to down Kaido is that Luffy doesnt kill and Kaido has to die or he will just com back to Wano over and over again, also once the fighting begins i think the 5 supernovas will go all the way until Kaido is dead i dont think some will stop halfway to fight Big Mum when they dont have any build up with her, the only one who has any build up and who Big Mum is there for is Luffy, but our MC wants to fight Kaido not Big Mum so as i have said for a long time now, Big Mum wont interfere in the fighting

Yes people might be near yonko but Kaido is the strongest of all yonko so the gap between near yonko, yonko and Kaido should be a lot.

Sanji was indeed was landing hits on Page One no problem but none of them did damage because Sanji has weak CoA if any at all, so Sanji vs Page One again would be fitting, the fight will help Sanji advance his haki to the point of him being relevant again in high level fights.

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He was, the only reason Sanji even fought him in the first place was because Page One was destroying the shops and attacking that family.

There is no actual indication that Kaido is stronger than BM or Shanks or BB.

Sanji was hurting P1 with ease, it's a boring rematch with no real purpose.

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I wouldn't say Sanji could fight Page One effortlessly...

Regarding issues, wasn't Sanji upset that Page One attacked the citizens?

Sanji was fine, and then pummeled him some more. And he wasn't upset enough to keep fighting, so it likely didn't bother him that much. There is no manga indication that this is burning in Sanji's mind such that he needs to settle any score with P1.

 

[Shasha23]

There is no actual indication that Kaido is stronger than BM or Shanks or BB.

Sanji was hurting P1 with ease, it's a boring rematch with no real purpose.

He is the strongest creature, 1 on 1 he cant lose! so yes Kaido can solo Linlin, Shanks or Teach in a 1 v 1

Sanji was not hurting Page One, landing hits doesnt mean hurting someone, not in the manga or even anime did Page One ever take any damage from Sanji's attacks, in that clash the only one who talked about taking damage was Sanji not Page One.

Sanji was fine, and then pummeled him some more. And he wasn't upset enough to keep fighting, so it likely didn't bother him that much. There is no manga indication that this is burning in Sanji's mind such that he needs to settle any score with P1.

Sanji has no score to settle as he has not indicated as such but its different for Page One, do you think he wont charge Sanji when he sees him, given Sanji attacked him and ran away after, Page One definitely has a score to settle with Sanji.

 

[thedude]

He is the strongest creature, 1 on 1 he cant lose! so yes Kaido can solo Linlin, Shanks or Teach in a 1 v 1

Sanji was not hurting Page One, landing hits doesnt mean hurting someone, not in the manga or even anime did Page One ever take any damage from Sanji's attacks, in that clash the only one who talked about taking damage was Sanji not Page One.




Sanji has no score to settle as he has not indicated as such but its different for Page One, do you think he wont charge Sanji when he sees him, given Sanji attacked him and ran away after, Page One definitely has a score to settle with Sanji.

That's honestly just your opinion. When he was "strongest creature", was he stronger than WB?

If he could solo LinLin, why didn't he? She had no backup, he was on his turf, hell, he had all his soldiers. And yet...he made peace.

Sanji did hurt him. It's in the pictures, it's in the sounds he's making. You can interpret it how you want...but i'll stick to the manga.

 

[Shasha23]

That's honestly just your opinion. When he was "strongest creature", was he stronger than WB?

If he could solo LinLin, why didn't he? She had no backup, he was on his turf, hell, he had all his soldiers. And yet...he made peace.

Sanji did hurt him. It's in the pictures, it's in the sounds he's making. You can interpret it how you want...but i'll stick to the manga.

Is it also my opinion Oda introduced him a such: strongest creature, cant lose 1 v 1? cause im basing my statement on infor given in the manga and FYI that's not an "opinion" its called a fact!

Fights last for day among the strongest in the world before a winner is decided, they only fought for a few hours,this things should be obvious to everyone i dont get why you even asking such a question.

Sanji never hurt him stop making things up!
Kaido also made sounds when Luffy attack him, do you think that was Luffy damaging Kaido?
I dont interpret it how i want, the whole scene was shown to us in back and white and even in anime format, you on the other hand just failed to understand what was going on thats all.

 

[thedude]

Is it also my opinion Oda introduced him a such: strongest creature, cant lose 1 v 1? cause im basing my statement on infor given in the manga and FYI that's not an "opinion" its called a fact!

Fights last for day among the strongest in the world before a winner is decided, they only fought for a few hours,this things should be obvious to everyone i dont get why you even asking such a question.

Sanji never hurt him stop making things up!
Kaido also made sounds when Luffy attack him, do you think that was Luffy damaging Kaido?
I dont interpret it how i want, the whole scene was shown to us in back and white and even in anime format, you on the other hand just failed to understand what was going on thats all.

Oda gave him a title...and then showed that he was fearful enough of BM that he called for a truce despite having every advantage to fight her.

You guys obsess over titles that Oda used like 1 time. Kaido was driven back by Shanks on the way to Marineford. Shanks crew is smaller than Kaido's by a comical degree. He has not been shown in any way to be stronger than the other Yonko.

We saw the manga panels for Sanji vs Page One. P1 crying out. P1 disappearing after the fight. Sanji unscathed immediately after the fight. Anything else is just your speculation.

 

[Shasha23]

Oda gave him a title...and then showed that he was fearful enough of BM that he called for a truce despite having every advantage to fight her.

You guys obsess over titles that Oda used like 1 time. Kaido was driven back by Shanks on the way to Marineford. Shanks crew is smaller than Kaido's by a comical degree. He has not been shown in any way to be stronger than the other Yonko.

We saw the manga panels for Sanji vs Page One. P1 crying out. P1 disappearing after the fight. Sanji unscathed immediately after the fight. Anything else is just your speculation.

How was he fearful when he said he will kill her, after seeing Kaido's character he probably ended the fight because it was anyong and he wanted to go drink.

Kaido was never driven back by Shanks dont lie please, Shanks only stopped Kaido from attacking Whitebeard, ofcause he was show to be stronger than all the yonko, Oda made him as such who are you to say otherwise?

Is it my speculation that Page One had no damage on him or yours?
I gave you an example of someone saying/showing signs of pain but not taking any damage at all, Kaido also spoke out those verbal signs of pain but took no damage from Luffy, Sanji's attacks on Page One made him voice out those sounds but he took no damage at all, you saying otherwise is your own headcanon and even more worse is that you headcanon contradicts the story so im pretty sure we can all toss it out as BS on your part.

 

[thedude]

How was he fearful when he said he will kill her, after seeing Kaido's character he probably ended the fight because it was anyong and he wanted to go drink.

Kaido was never driven back by Shanks dont lie please, Shanks only stopped Kaido from attacking Whitebeard, ofcause he was show to be stronger than all the yonko, Oda made him as such who are you to say otherwise?

Is it my speculation that Page One had no damage on him or yours?
I gave you an example of someone saying/showing signs of pain but not taking any damage at all, Kaido also spoke out those verbal signs of pain but took no damage from Luffy, Sanji's attacks on Page One made him voice out those sounds but he took no damage at all, you saying otherwise is your own headcanon and even more worse is that you headcanon contradicts the story so im pretty sure we can all toss it out as BS on your part.

If he could beat her 1v1, he'd have done it. He threatened her if she came, she came, she was alone, he had backup..and he chose to make peace rather than kill her, one of his biggest rivals.

Shanks stopped him from going to Marineford. That's being driven back. Literally lol. Do you know what words mean? He came from Wano, Shanks stopped him, he went back to Wano. Driven back.

The only people who think he is the strongest Yonko unequivocally are Zoro fans obsessing over titles becuase they want "WSS" to mean "Strongest person in the manga", and to do that they need to convince everyone that these one off titles Oda used carry more importance than he actually shows. WB was a 72 year old man whose peak was his late 30's to 40's strength wise. At his death, his title was most likely based on reputation, not facts. But he still was called that. These titles are barely mentioned by Oda. Some only once. But we are supposed to pretend that they are Oda's proclamation of character hierarchy, all so Mihawk, and Zoro by extension, are ranked higher than anyone else. Yawn, boring.

You don't need external damage to be hurt. Sanji mentioned that P1's attack hurt him. Hurt isn't "he broke my bones and split my head open". Sanji's attacks hurt him. We see it in his expression and sounds. P1 is also not Kaido. Kaido is irrelevant.

Can we keep this to Sanji? Honestly, this is a Sanji thread. Go find the hidden PL thread to debate Kaido 1v1 with other Yonko.

 

[XXGenesis]

Nobody is trolling Sanji fans...I wont even mention how sensitive such a comment makes his fandom look..smh...The man has never finished a Fight!!!! Holy cow why is that so much to ask for...

Your preferences are what they are & have my own. I know what I want to see, and why. Nobody's trolling..simple voice of reasons as why

All Stars are way outta Sanji's league...any comparison is bad, the gap is un forseen... MC covered the gap in way not possible for Sanji because of plot.

Other SH members & alliance membere are stronger, more suited to fight them & have unfinished business or slight foreshadow involved..

To overcome a YC some type of haki mastery is gonna be needed...Sanji has not been shown training haki nor has he had any fights that would have grown his haki....Why is this ignored but still yet wishful thinking for his blind fans. Manga context is just thrown out the window for Sanji & unreasonable expectations are put on him..I dont get it.

 

[Shasha23]

If he could beat her 1v1, he'd have done it. He threatened her if she came, she came, she was alone, he had backup..and he chose to make peace rather than kill her, one of his biggest rivals.

Shanks stopped him from going to Marineford. That's being driven back. Literally lol. Do you know what words mean? He came from Wano, Shanks stopped him, he went back to Wano. Driven back.

The only people who think he is the strongest Yonko unequivocally are Zoro fans obsessing over titles becuase they want "WSS" to mean "Strongest person in the manga", and to do that they need to convince everyone that these one off titles Oda used carry more importance than he actually shows. WB was a 72 year old man whose peak was his late 30's to 40's strength wise. At his death, his title was most likely based on reputation, not facts. But he still was called that. These titles are barely mentioned by Oda. Some only once. But we are supposed to pretend that they are Oda's proclamation of character hierarchy, all so Mihawk, and Zoro by extension, are ranked higher than anyone else. Yawn, boring.

You don't need external damage to be hurt. Sanji mentioned that P1's attack hurt him. Hurt isn't "he broke my bones and split my head open". Sanji's attacks hurt him. We see it in his expression and sounds. P1 is also not Kaido. Kaido is irrelevant.

Can we keep this to Sanji? Honestly, this is a Sanji thread. Go find the hidden PL thread to debate Kaido 1v1 with other Yonko.

If you dont want to believe Oda when he said Kaido can beat anyone 1 v 1 thats not my problem its yours.

Stopping someone and driving them back are 2 different things, but since your dont understand definitions of words its impossible to keep explaining simple concepts to you!

Why do you Sanji fanbois always bring up Zoro when you cant win an argument?

Ohh im sorry i didnt know you have xray vision that allows you to see past panels Oda drew!

I was talking about Sanji, you saw you were wrong but couldnt accept it and started going on and on about Big Mum and Kaido, now your bringing up Mihawk and Zoro because of your own delusions are being called out

!!yet another delusional Sanji fanboi im blocking!!

 

[HereNThere]

To overcome a YC some type of haki mastery is gonna be needed...Sanji has not been shown training haki nor has he had any fights that would have grown his haki....Why is this ignored but still yet wishful thinking for his blind fans. Manga context is just thrown out the window for Sanji & unreasonable expectations are put on him..I dont get it.

We haven't seen it, true, but that doesn't mean it can't and won't happen. This is why I want him to fight someone stronger than him so we can see him get what he needs to get through the fight. What he, Zoro, and Luffy have gotten recently is just the start. The tools to put them on the path. They obviously aren't on the level yet, but they can continue to grow.

It's not much to get. We just want to see him get a decent fight against a strong opponent. No different than any other fans wanting their character to get a good fight.