Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[XXGenesis]

We haven't seen it, true, but that doesn't mean it can't and won't happen. This is why I want him to fight someone stronger than him so we can see him get what he needs to get through the fight. What he, Zoro, and Luffy have gotten recently is just the start. The tools to put them on the path. They obviously aren't on the level yet, but they can continue to grow.

It's not much to get. We just want to see him get a decent fight against a strong opponent. No different than any other fans wanting their character to get a good fight.

Agreed.
Great way to end our exahcnage of thoughts.

I'll be random and touch on some thoughts of mine...Where & when does Sanji train or raise his physically strength?

Luffy has zenkai boost & naturally was the physically strongest..Zoro we seen constantly training & lifting weights...Its very impressive Sanji is never shown working on his physical strength & at least Pre-Ts he never was far behind..

What I wish would change & dont want to continue..Is Sanji's haki training. The physical side he was always 3 but feats were very comparable..Ex.Kicking the building Zoro cut against OZ & his anti Manner Kick.

So Its not a big deal we dont see Sanji worming in his physical stats but yet still keeps up..Haki seems to be much different. Training & real experience/ zenkai boost are needed for it to grow..

I think it would be kool to see Sanji do some haki training

 

[HereNThere]

Agreed.
Great way to end our exahcnage of thoughts.

I'll be random and touch on some thoughts of mine...Where & when does Sanji train or raise his physically strength?

Luffy has zenkai boost & naturally was the physically strongest..Zoro we seen constantly training & lifting weights...Its very impressive Sanji is never shown working on his physical strength & at least Pre-Ts he never was far behind..

What I wish would change & dont want to continue..Is Sanji's haki training. The physical side he was always 3 but feats were very comparable..Ex.Kicking the building Zoro cut against OZ & his anti Manner Kick.

So Its not a big deal we dont see Sanji worming in his physical stats but yet still keeps up..Haki seems to be much different. Training & real experience/ zenkai boost are needed for it to grow..

I think it would be kool to see Sanji do some haki training

Up until recently, he's mostly been on the Luffy side of getting stronger off screen. But since Wano has shown Luffy finally training, he is definitely the odd man out with the three.

It would be nice to see him training his haki, but I think it's a bit too late for that. As I mentioned, the only real hope we have is him growing in his fight. I'm still holding out hope that Diable Jambe will be revealed to be a form of advanced haki that Sanji hadn't fully mastered yet. But, it's just a crack theory.

Another possibility is that he did train, but Oda is saving the reveal for when his new suit is fully revealed. It's unlikely that Luffy and Zoro were the only ones to have prepared for the fight against Kaido, so he and the rest of the crew had to have done something, but...we haven't seen it so we can't say.

 

[M3J]

I wouldn't use Luffy as an example of growth simply because of his lv starting the Ts..& his fast back to back fight journey of reaching top Commander lvs

Compared to Sanji's controversial & highly debated track record.

I'm making a point, so mentioning these characters for that reason...Killer imo always thought would fight SH swordsmans and be a good fight for him, he wasnt he was weaker than SH swordsman...Hawkins on the other hand seemed to be more even with SH swordsman, and the battle was still entertaining & interesting as it was left unsettled and there is still a threat and obstacle to overcome.

So I understand your opinion of it may not be entertaining. But I disagree, it will still be a close fight to where Sanji has to overcome his opponent. & it will be crazy for Sanjinto have to do it twice under more dire circumstsnces...

As It pertains to All Stars...Other combatants imo are just stronger and will be paired against the All stars. Sanji 1 vs 1 against All stars...Idk 330k bounty vs 1b bounty..just dont see it with his skills

I don't see Killer fighting Sanji unless Killer primarily fights hand-to-hand. Plus, if Killer's Kidd's first mate, then it'd be uncomfortable to see the first mate swordsman lose to a non-swordsman, at least for me, since Kidd's supposed to be a Supernova. If Hawkins is an extremely strong captain as well, then I'm not comfortable with Sanji (and Zoro even) taking him on. Probably a weird logic, but oh well.

It wouldn't be too crazy. Luffy did it, Zoro hopefully does it at some point, and Sanji has to do it too. I feel like that'd be a bare minimum for a crew that's aiming to be the Pirate King, given that many top fighters can fight for days.


eww at the bounty comparison though.

Sanji didn't beat Page One in the manga...

Yes he did. Page One went down while the next time we saw Sanji, he was healthy and uninjured. If the manga says Page One got up ready to fight but Sanji retreated, then I'll agree.

 

[Aliocha]

Why anime is a factor now?

Anime Sanji used armament haki against daifuku in WCI, s that considered too

 

[XXGenesis]

I don't see Killer fighting Sanji unless Killer primarily fights hand-to-hand. Plus, if Killer's Kidd's first mate, then it'd be uncomfortable to see the first mate swordsman lose to a non-swordsman, at least for me, since Kidd's supposed to be a Supernova. If Hawkins is an extremely strong captain as well, then I'm not comfortable with Sanji (and Zoro even) taking him on. Probably a weird logic, but oh well.

It wouldn't be too crazy. Luffy did it, Zoro hopefully does it at some point, and Sanji has to do it too. I feel like that'd be a bare minimum for a crew that's aiming to be the Pirate King, given that many top fighters can fight for days.

I quite often don't understand replies.
Never mentioned Killer vs Sanji ???
If I had to give an opinion on it. Sanji would win with mid diff. With injury but won't struggle to win.
Again never mentioned Sanji vs Hawkins..

Hawkins DF powers & ability allows him haxx effects of fortune of damage/events..I see Hawkins winning high diff, with maybe 2lives left back or something.....I don't think Sanji can defeat a SN captain.

Why ppl repeat the same perspective over and over I don't understand either. We arent at the end of the series, be patient and let the characters grow...there are plenty of Commanders to defeat. They dont have to defeat them now, when 1/3 of the scabbards are commander lv already..

 

[M3J]

I quite often don't understand replies.
Never mentioned Killer vs Sanji ???
If I had to give an opinion on it. Sanji would win with mid diff. With injury but won't struggle to win.
Again never mentioned Sanji vs Hawkins..

Hawkins DF powers & ability allows him haxx effects of fortune of damage/events..I see Hawkins winning high diff, with maybe 2lives left back or something.....I don't think Sanji can defeat a SN captain.

Why ppl repeat the same perspective over and over I don't understand either. We arent at the end of the series, be patient and let the characters grow...there are plenty of Commanders to defeat. They dont have to defeat them now, when 1/3 of the scabbards are commander lv already..

You didn't, you talked about Killer and Hawkins vs. swordsmen and whatnot, but this is a Sanji thread.

I don't know how to tackle the Killer debate tbh, as I don't know how the smile fruit affected him. I feel like he didn't show us what he's really capable of. Hawkins though would be a more challenging fighter, especially given he can do ranged attacks and is hard to hurt. I also don't think Sanji can win either.


I agree but I still want to see the Monster Quartet get hard fights and be challenged, not just Luffy.

 

[King Moe]

Obvious Sanji is facing King or Queen as his final opponents and are we going to use 'Anime is Canon'? If that so prepared Zoro vs Batman rematch then and Luffy giving hard fight to Zoan Kaido. If you said that scene is then all scenes were Canon then. Can't pick and choose and obvious Sanji facing someone stronger this arc more as if Luffy still going to beat Yonko at end of it, Sanji, Jimbei, and maybe Zoro will be his YC lvl at end of it.

 

[thedude]

If you dont want to believe Oda when he said Kaido can beat anyone 1 v 1 thats not my problem its yours.

Stopping someone and driving them back are 2 different things, but since your dont understand definitions of words its impossible to keep explaining simple concepts to you!

Why do you Sanji fanbois always bring up Zoro when you cant win an argument?

Ohh im sorry i didnt know you have xray vision that allows you to see past panels Oda drew!

I was talking about Sanji, you saw you were wrong but couldnt accept it and started going on and on about Big Mum and Kaido, now your bringing up Mihawk and Zoro because of your own delusions are being called out

!!yet another delusional Sanji fanboi im blocking!!

Did Oda say no one could beat him 1v1? Is that an actual thing in the manga? Or are you extrapolating yourself, "Strongest creature means..."

Sanji vs Page 1: Sanji attacks, knocks him around, is seen injury free. Page 1 is no longer seen with Drake or Hawkins, and only seen over a week later (manga time). That's all I have to go on, and it points to Sanji beating him.

Sanji has no reason to want to fight P1 again, and I'd rather he fought someone else.

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I agree but I still want to see the Monster Quartet get hard fights and be challenged, not just Luffy.

Exactly. Well, I want all SH's to get those fights. I want Usopp to, Chopper to, Nami and Franky and Brook to. I want fights where they all awaken something, like Usopp did in Dressrosa. I want to see Usopp use his CoO. I want to see Chopper "awaken" in Monster Point. I want Nami to get CoA on her staff and use it as a weapon. I want the SH's to all receive the focus.

I want Zoro to fight King and bleed buckets and pull out an amazing win. I want Sanji to fight Queen, and win a super difficult fight using what he learned from the Okama's. I want this to be Ennies Lobby style fights for all.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Obvious Sanji is facing King or Queen as his final opponents and are we going to use 'Anime is Canon'? If that so prepared Zoro vs Batman rematch then and Luffy giving hard fight to Zoan Kaido. If you said that scene is then all scenes were Canon then. Can't pick and choose and obvious Sanji facing someone stronger this arc more as if Luffy still going to beat Yonko at end of it, Sanji, Jimbei, and maybe Zoro will be his YC lvl at end of it.

Sanji vs queen or page one
Zoro vs king or kaido

 

[thedude]

Sanji vs queen or page one
Zoro vs king or kaido

Kaido is for Luffy, i just don't see another SH helping the entire fight. Certainly not fighting him instead of Luffy. So that's why I want Sanji and Zoro to take King and Queen on. It makes the most sense, especially since we haven't seen them take on anyone near that level yet while Luffy just took on 3. I count Doflamingo on that level (afterall, he is the Joker in Kaido's crew to go along with King, Queen and Jack!)

 

[King Moe]

Sanji vs queen or page one
Zoro vs king or kaido

Sanji vs King or Queen.
Zoro vs Kanjuro or Orochi.

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Kaido is for Luffy, i just don't see another SH helping the entire fight. Certainly not fighting him instead of Luffy. So that's why I want Sanji and Zoro to take King and Queen on. It makes the most sense, especially since we haven't seen them take on anyone near that level yet while Luffy just took on 3. I count Doflamingo on that level (afterall, he is the Joker in Kaido's crew to go along with King, Queen and Jack!)

Yeah and doesn't Zoro stated he respects Luffy's fights? He never helps his Captain take someone out for him as Zoro sees Luffy should be strong to take out his own enemies. Oda hype Luffy vs Kaido for long time that too late for Oda do a swerve to let someone else beat him especially underling of Luffy's. Luffy wants Kaido and it be him to face him in the end. If he gets help it be Kidd and Law to help out as WG Trio more in the end.

 

[hokageji]

Sanji vs queen or page one
Zoro vs king or kaido

Sanji part seems apt but Zoro vs Kaido seems ridiculous, but again you and Nik insist on this, so i will wait for the arc to be over when you are proved wrong.

Zoro vs Kanjuro or Orochi.

A lot more ridiculous, but again, you are acting as a counter balance to the Zoro sentence...


In real, i think Sanji will fight Queen because he is the 3rd strongest strawhat. Although, Sanji fighting Jack will be fun as well, i wouldn't mind that if Jinbei fights Queen.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji part seems apt but Zoro vs Kaido seems ridiculous, but again you and Nik insist on this, so i will wait for the arc to be over when you are proved wrong.




A lot more ridiculous, but again, you are acting as a counter balance to the Zoro sentence...


In real, i think Sanji will fight Queen because he is the 3rd strongest strawhat. Although, Sanji fighting Jack will be fun as well, i wouldn't mind that if Jinbei fights Queen.

Not really. Hiyori is getting targeted again. We seen Zoro being her savior in this arc so make sense it be driving point for Zoro facing Kanjuro or Orochi especially wanting to avenge Yasu. This have backing unlike Kaido nonsense.

Heck no facing Jack as King or Queen are more fitting for him. Not always he face 3rd Strongest as he have interacted and face 2nd Strongest enemies too and King could be that.

Though then again if Big Mom and her crew involve, technically King or Queen are 2nd/3rd Strongest depending who is stronger between Kaido and Big Mom, so could fit into that, but those guys are well aware of Soba-Mask and send T6H after him. Building more one of them will face Sanji more.

 

[Brandish μ]

Zoro stuff can go in Zoro's thread, thanks.

I watched Sanji vs Page One, seems the latter tanked everything, but was completely outclassed.

 

[Shasha23]

I watched Sanji vs Page One, seems the latter tanked everything, but was completely outclassed.

Yeap Sanji dominated him, but Page One took no damage both in manga and anime, he just found Sanji's attacks to be annoying.

This is why i believe Sanji will fight him again and in the process he will advance his CoA so that he can be more relevant vs commanders in the future.

 

[King Moe]

Yeap Sanji dominated him, but Page One took no damage both in manga and anime, he just found Sanji's attacks to be annoying.

This is why i believe Sanji will fight him again and in the process he will advance his CoA so that he can be more relevant vs commanders in the future.

By that then you agree Batman beating Luffy and Zoro easily will happen since they proven nothing as well Apoo owning them as well. So if we going to use Anime is Canon, you have to admit Sanji wasn't trying full power and still dominated him throughout the fight. Page One got defeated in manga and never shown to help Drake and Hawkins like that, so can't use Anime as canon once it goes off something unless you agree Zoro needs COA to beat fodders now like they change scene of him using Haki on magistrate while he didn't in manga.

Not really anything believable on Anime side once they go different from something manga shown. EVen Oda stated they go their own way sometimes.

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Zoro stuff can go in Zoro's thread, thanks.

I watched Sanji vs Page One, seems the latter tanked everything, but was completely outclassed.

Not really tank as screaming in pain didn't mean you tank his hits. Tank is what Kuma did when facing Strawhats in their attacks in Thriller Bark. Not once he felt pain or shown it on his face. Page One was beaten to the point he never return until few weeks he is fine now.

 

[Brandish μ]

Okay, not tanked. P0 experienced mild pain and took on no physical defects.

Might be a good fight for Sanji to show his upgraded RS? (Sanji vs P0 round 2)

 

[King Moe]

Okay, not tanked. P0 experienced mild pain and took on no physical defects.

Might be a good fight for Sanji to show his upgraded RS? (Sanji vs P0 round 2)

Not mild. Extreme. You don't scream such a roar of pain if it was minor hit. Hard to show in skin of scales of how much damage and bruises shown given texture, but he felt a lot of pain to scream loudly for many to here from distance even when Law, Franky, and Usopp went away. Page One got beaten of no return and needed recovery and thus why he never show up again with Drake and Hawkins and came back once enough time for him to move again.

Nah, already happen and don't think Oda pushing for another round with enemies Strawhats already shown dominance before, so he be facing warm-up fight with Drake or someone else, but main and final fight is King or Queen more.

 

[Brandish μ]

Not mild. Extreme. You don't scream such a roar of pain if it was minor hit. Hard to show in skin of scales of how much damage and bruises shown given texture, but he felt a lot of pain to scream loudly for many to here from distance even when Law, Franky, and Usopp went away. Page One got beaten of no return and needed recovery and thus why he never show up again.

Nah, already happen and don't think Oda pushing for another round with enemies Strawhats already shown dominance before, so he be facing warm-up fight with Drake or someone else, but main and final fight is King or Queen more.

He roared coz he's a dinosaur? Regardless, P0 was in pain for a few seconds, so was no injured it seems.

Could go that way, I do think Drake vs Sanji will happen too, even if it doesn't last long.

 

[King Moe]

He roared coz he's a dinosaur? Regardless, P0 was in pain for a few seconds, so was no injured it seems.

Could go that way, I do think Drake vs Sanji will happen too, even if it doesn't last long.

There is types of roar and he didn't roar in intimidation, he roar cause of pain and in Zoan of Dinosaur, you voice is magnify compare ot Human state. Screaming in pain lingers. Obviously you won't go down in one hit, but doesn't erase you still took damage if your screaming in pain.

I can see it as warm-up fight, but still feel other Strawhats might be opponents for T6H given non-main fighters fit the number ratio.