Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[M3J]

Did Oda say no one could beat him 1v1? Is that an actual thing in the manga? Or are you extrapolating yourself, "Strongest creature means..."

Sanji vs Page 1: Sanji attacks, knocks him around, is seen injury free. Page 1 is no longer seen with Drake or Hawkins, and only seen over a week later (manga time). That's all I have to go on, and it points to Sanji beating him.

Sanji has no reason to want to fight P1 again, and I'd rather he fought someone else.

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Exactly. Well, I want all SH's to get those fights. I want Usopp to, Chopper to, Nami and Franky and Brook to. I want fights where they all awaken something, like Usopp did in Dressrosa. I want to see Usopp use his CoO. I want to see Chopper "awaken" in Monster Point. I want Nami to get CoA on her staff and use it as a weapon. I want the SH's to all receive the focus.

I want Zoro to fight King and bleed buckets and pull out an amazing win. I want Sanji to fight Queen, and win a super difficult fight using what he learned from the Okama's. I want this to be Ennies Lobby style fights for all.

Oda had a character or caption say to always bet on Kaidou if it's a 1 vs 1 fight.


So do I, but we are talking about Sanji specifically since, you know. Sanji vs. Queen would be great though, if they have a similar fighting style.

Zoro stuff can go in Zoro's thread, thanks.

I watched Sanji vs Page One, seems the latter tanked everything, but was completely outclassed.

Eww at using anime. But since he was outclassed, why would he fight Sanji again?

 

[goldb]

But since he was outclassed, why would he fight Sanji again?

Sanji may have overpowered him in moments of their initial clash but he seemed to recover each time and we didn't see him defeated, only Sanji rejoining Franky, Usopp and Law in running away from the scene. The next time we saw Page One, he looked unscathed (granted it's been several days).

My issues with this whole thing are:

1. Those that believe that Page One was defeated, as nothing that the manga shows us proves that statement. Absolutely nothing( this is usually where you chime in King Moe, so I'll wait for you to show me panels of a defeated Page One), unless someone wants to convince me leaving the scene of a fight confirms its outcome?
2. While Sanji might not have any personal grudge against Page One, what's to stop PO from coming after Sanji if he spots him? especially if he believes their fight wasn't done yet?

I think we all agree on wanting Sanji especially to do well and show his true level; fighting a stronger opponent like an All Star or stronger F6 members would be a good way to only finally push him to his limit but also take him beyond that. But I want people to realise the possibility of Oda making a round 2 of this, regardless of how boring or meaningless some fans may think it is.

 

[M3J]

Sanji may have overpowered him in moments of their initial clash but he seemed to recover each time and we didn't see him defeated, only Sanji rejoining Franky, Usopp and Law in running away from the scene. The next time we saw Page One, he looked unscathed (granted it's been several days).

My issues with this whole thing are:

1. Those that believe that Page One was defeated, as nothing that the manga shows us proves that statement. Absolutely nothing( this is usually where you chime in King Moe, so I'll wait for you to show me panels of a defeated Page One), unless someone wants to convince me leaving the scene of a fight confirms its outcome?
2. While Sanji might not have any personal grudge against Page One, what's to stop PO from coming after Sanji if he spots him? especially if he believes their fight wasn't done yet?

I think we all agree on wanting Sanji especially to do well and show his true level; fighting a stronger opponent like an All Star or stronger F6 members would be a good way to only finally push him to his limit but also take him beyond that. But I want people to realise the possibility of Oda making a round 2 of this, regardless of how boring or meaningless some fans may think it is.

I still say outclassed as he was unable to do anything to Sanji.

1. Nothing confirms that, but Sanji did win like Luffy won against Big Mom. He may not have beaten Page ONe, but he stopped Page and made it out alive. That's usually what I mean by win.

2. Page could have another opponent trying to fight him, or there could be something else more important for Page to deal with. Would it be surprising if Drake or someone told Page to handle someone else while they handled Sanji, given Page's failure to capture him? There's still a chance Page could be what Blueno was to Luffy, and that Sanji will have another fight after beating Page.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I still say outclassed as he was unable to do anything to Sanji.

1. Nothing confirms that, but Sanji did win like Luffy won against Big Mom. He may not have beaten Page ONe, but he stopped Page and made it out alive. That's usually what I mean by win.

2. Page could have another opponent trying to fight him, or there could be something else more important for Page to deal with. Would it be surprising if Drake or someone told Page to handle someone else while they handled Sanji, given Page's failure to capture him? There's still a chance Page could be what Blueno was to Luffy, and that Sanji will have another fight after beating Page.

This. Page one or drake is a good opponent for sanji. The biggest complaint for sanji is that he always fights enemies beyond his level, page one is similar to him while drake is slightly stronger so they are good matchup

 

[M3J]

Straw Hats fighting beyond their level is what helps them get stronger though, so I don't see the issue here. plus, given the amount of enemies here, some allies are going to get multiple fights, I hope, and Sanji will likely be one of them.

 

[King Moe]

Obviously all Strawhats will have multiple fights or top fighters will at least and thus will have warm-up fights before their final fights and Sanji is one of them especially how there is much hint and writing for him to face King or Queen for major fight.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Obviously all Strawhats will have multiple fights or top fighters will at least and thus will have warm-up fights before their final fights and Sanji is one of them especially how there is much hint and writing for him to face King or Queen for major fight.

Eh not king, but sanji might fight queen
Queen has biological weapons so chopper might help sanji against queen

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Straw Hats fighting beyond their level is what helps them get stronger though, so I don't see the issue here. plus, given the amount of enemies here, some allies are going to get multiple fights, I hope, and Sanji will likely be one of them.

Agree, drake is stronger than sanji but i can see sanji overcome him and become stronger than him throughout the fight

 

[Shasha23]

Agree, drake is stronger than sanji but i can see sanji overcome him and become stronger than him throughout the fight

Among the Worst Generation, Kid, Drake and Blackbeard were highlighted as the 3 with the most achievements/movements, so its impossible for someone like Sanji to match up to someone Oda is hyping up to such a high level.

 

[King Moe]

Eh not king, but sanji might fight queen
Queen has biological weapons so chopper might help sanji against queen

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Agree, drake is stronger than sanji but i can see sanji overcome him and become stronger than him throughout the fight

I said King or Queen. I don't mind who takes on and LMAO XD! Chopper is not taking on someone that caliber if he hinding with Nami and Usopp chapters ago. T6H will be his final fight at best, but not full fight with Queen.

Nah, Sanji is stronger than Drake, but will be good warm-up fight. Though again King or Queen are his main challenges as he is above T6H already.

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Among the Worst Generation, Kid, Drake and Blackbeard were highlighted as the 3 with the most achievements/movements, so its impossible for someone like Sanji to match up to someone Oda is hyping up to such a high level.

What you talking about? Luffy, Kidd, and Law are most highlighted of WG. What headcannon your trying to put here and happy to hear you don't see Zoro as top in WG after many defeats he gotten from fellow WG members unlike Sanji who can match up to Drake and still holding back.

 

[nik87]

I cant see Sanji fighting X-Drake, only if he throws his weapons away.

 

[King Moe]

I cant see Sanji fighting X-Drake, only if he throws his weapons away.

Nah he can handle him, but can't see Zoro facing any Supernova. They treat him like fodder each time this point.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah he can handle him, but can't see Zoro facing any Supernova. They treat him like fodder each time this point.

Well duh, zoro won't face any supernova, he already beat a supernova before this war (killer)

I said King or Queen. I don't mind who takes on and LMAO XD! Chopper is not taking on someone that caliber if he hinding with Nami and Usopp chapters ago. T6H will be his final fight at best, but not full fight with Queen.

Nah, Sanji is stronger than Drake, but will be good warm-up fight. Though again King or Queen are his main challenges as he is above T6H already.

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What you talking about? Luffy, Kidd, and Law are most highlighted of WG. What headcannon your trying to put here and happy to hear you don't see Zoro as top in WG after many defeats he gotten from fellow WG members unlike Sanji who can match up to Drake and still holding back.

Don't underestimate chopper, he defended an attack from big mom. Chopper prepared the antidote for sanji because sanji might lose against the poison

 

[thedude]

Oda had a character or caption say to always bet on Kaidou if it's a 1 vs 1 fight.


So do I, but we are talking about Sanji specifically since, you know. Sanji vs. Queen would be great though, if they have a similar fighting style.



Eww at using anime. But since he was outclassed, why would he fight Sanji again?

That's not exactly definitive then lol. I'm sure between Kaido, BM, Shanks and BB and Akainu, any of them would be "bet on if it's a 1v1 fight", but saying that isn't Oda actually saying "this man is the strongest 1v1".

 

[XXGenesis]

What is Sanji goes full throttle and Low diff P1, now being comfortable and familiar with his suits enhancements & upgrade.

I believe Sanji is superior to P1 in terms of fighters intelligence, skill, speed..etc.

Sanji just needs more penetration power or stronger offense, which haki helps a lot with.

But I have a feeling Sanji is gonna run a kool gauntlet just like on the Sea Train..

Sea Train Sanji was badass!

 

[King Moe]

Well duh, zoro won't face any supernova, he already beat a supernova before this war (killer)



Don't underestimate chopper, he defended an attack from big mom. Chopper prepared the antidote for sanji because sanji might lose against the poison

Nah, he beaten no Supernova and facing Nerf one and tying with them isn't a win. He still lost with him.

Nah, Chopper is not getting involve, but he be there for Zoro after he got hurt by Apoo. He needs someone to medical him each time after how hurt he gets after being hype tool from his enemies.

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What is Sanji goes full throttle and Low diff P1, now being comfortable and familiar with his suits enhancements & upgrade.

I believe Sanji is superior to P1 in terms of fighters intelligence, skill, speed..etc.

Sanji just needs more penetration power or stronger offense, which haki helps a lot with.

But I have a feeling Sanji is gonna run a kool gauntlet just like on the Sea Train..

Sea Train Sanji was badass!

Possible he could run through top fighters in his wake before facing King or Queen especially by now they are aware of Soba-Mask after Page One lost to him and Drake face him already, so they probably be after him to take him down which can be reason how he face and be final fights for him.

He has power and abilities on his own and going evolved more in the course of the fights.

 

[M3J]

But I have a feeling Sanji is gonna run a kool gauntlet just like on the Sea Train..

That'd be super lovely to see. Would love to see him outsmart his enemies and minimize his fighting again as well.

 

[thedude]

Only Kaidou was given this epithet, no other character has been described as someone to bet on when it comes to a 1-on-1 fight. While you're right that Oda isn't saying he's the strongest fighter in an 1-on-1, he's also saying Kaidou has an extremely high chance of winning and has consistently won fights against one opponent.


That'd be super lovely to see. Would love to see him outsmart his enemies and minimize his fighting again as well.

Because he's a yonko, of course he hasn't lost many one on one fights. But didn't Big Mom literally never lose a fight? Kaido lost plenty. One on one he was losing to Oden, needed tricks and distraction to win. So sorry, I'm not putting everything into a one off statement. Especially since he's going to be the first Yonko to go down to Luffy, meaning he's lower on the totem pole than the remaining yonko.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

What kind of restaurant will Sanji have at the end of One Piece when he finds Za Ooru Buruuuu (All Blue)?

Do you think Sanji will find it by himself or it will coincide with getting to Rafter/One Piece?

 

[HereNThere]

What kind of restaurant will Sanji have at the end of One Piece when he finds Za Ooru Buruuuu (All Blue)?

Do you think Sanji will find it by himself or it will coincide with getting to Rafter/One Piece?

I think it's linked with One Piece. There's a common theory out there that deals with the Red Line and it's potential relation to the All Blue.

Basically, at the end of the series, it's theorized that the Red Line will be destroyed and all the seas will be connected forming the All Blue. It would also allow Brook to meet up with Laboon.

 

[Fox666]

I think it's linked with One Piece. There's a common theory out there that deals with the Red Line and it's potential relation to the All Blue.

Basically, at the end of the series, it's theorized that the Red Line will be destroyed and all the seas will be connected forming the All Blue. It would also allow Brook to meet up with Laboon.

One of the best theories so far.

However I recall the author saying he would change the ending if someone guessed it... :/