Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

i paid attention, although you clearly didn't during the WCI arc. Sanji still feels the same way about zeff. Sanji's stuck on east blue for life

He was blackmail there cause they would kill him, you want Sanji not help someone who raised him for his years? That doesn't make sense at all. Sanji probably be in All Blue given his dream.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

you want Sanji not help someone who raised him for his years

exactly.
Why would sanji abandon zeff at baratie? He would take care of someone who had raised him

 

[King Moe]

exactly.
Why would sanji abandon zeff at baratie? He would take care of someone who had raised him

Zeff would want him to continue his dream though. What was point of Baratie if he didn't want him to leave? Again your not making sense. He wants to achieved his dreams too.

 

[Nie Li]

exactly.
Why would sanji abandon zeff at baratie? He would take care of someone who had raised him

I don't know. People move away from their parents all the time, somestimes to go far, and that doesn't mean they stopped caring about them.

But the Baratie is a floating restaurant, they could always move it to the All Blue and stay together.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Zeff would want him to continue his dream though. What was point of Baratie if he didn't want him to leave? Again your not making sense. He wants to achieved his dreams too.

he would achieve his dream when he discovered all blue. Then he would go back to take care zeff. Just like you said, zeff would get old. It's common decency to take care of your elderly. This is something that sanji wants

 

[King Moe]

he would achieve his dream when he discovered all blue. Then he would go back to take care zeff. Just like you said, zeff would get old. It's common decency to take care of your elderly

That doesn't make sense though given what debut arc show about why he leave onto adventures the first place. He isn't going back to stay permanently and will have his own restaurant in All Blue with possibilities of being in charge of preventing anyone who doesn't deserve to go to Raftel.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

That doesn't make sense though given what debut arc show about why he leave onto adventures the first place. He isn't going back to stay permanently and will have his own restaurant in All Blue with possibilities of being in charge of preventing anyone who doesn't deserve to go to Raftel.

Doubt it. If sanji just abandons the old zeff, that would break the character of sanji who cares about zeff. Sanji would work with patty and others to make the baratie restaurant even more famous

 

[King Moe]

Doubt it. If sanji just abandons the old zeff, that would break the character of sanji who cares about zeff

Nah, he going for his dreams like him and Zeff wants. Why not stay with All Blue? SBS have hints on him dreaming for that place and would be nearby or stay around there.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah, he going for his dreams like him and Zeff wants. Why not stay with All Blue? SBS have hints on him dreaming for that place and would be nearby or stay around there.

Actually oda said the future thing SBS thing should be taken with a grain of salt since it still can change. If sanji just stays at all blue, it means sanji just abandons the person who raised him for years (like you said)

 

[King Moe]

Actually oda said the future thing SBS thing should be taken with a grain of salt since it still can change. If sanji just stays at all blue, it means sanji just abandons the person who raised him for years (like you said)

Where he ever state that? You have proof? Nah, you missed point directly. That like saying Zoro should never left his village if he was worried about person who trained him same way.

 

[Nie Li]

Where he ever state that? You have proof? Nah, you missed point directly. That like saying Zoro should never left his village if he was worried about person who trained him same way.

They're possible futures. You can argue the "good future" is canon just as much as the "bad future" is canon.

I do believe the good futures will come true but who knows, the future could hold a third, different possibility, no matter how similar to the good outcome from the SBS.

Here's proof.

Those are two of Ace's possible futures that Oda drew in the same SBS he drew Luffy's possible futures. Which one came true? Neither, because he's dead.

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So to summarize: Yeah, they should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[King Moe]

They're possible futures. You can argue the "good future" is canon just as much as the "bad future" is canon.

I do believe the good futures will come true but who knows, the future could hold a third, different possibility, no matter how similar to the good outcome from the SBS.

Here's proof.

Those are two of Ace's possible futures that Oda drew in the same SBS he drew Luffy's possible futures. Which one came true? Neither, because he's dead.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 10, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 10, 2021 ---

So to summarize: Yeah, they should be taken with a grain of salt.

I feel they could possible come true, but Oda will also do a bit of unpredictable on each situation to add to it. So we get to see extra and new information on what their future lives could be in EOS, but pretty sure they be Pirate Crew above even Roger Pirates and still keep connections with one another even on their own.

 

[hokageji]

he would achieve his dream when he discovered all blue. Then he would go back to take care zeff. Just like you said, zeff would get old. It's common decency to take care of your elderly. This is something that sanji wants

all blue is unlikely to be a place easily accessible. I see Sanji opening his own restaurant there instead.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

all blue is unlikely to be a place easily accessible. I see Sanji opening his own restaurant there instead.

why would you open a restaurant in a place not easily accessible? Unless you want to go out of business quickly

 

[hokageji]

why would you open a restaurant in a place not easily accessible? Unless you want to go out of business quickly

instead of baratie... but a place with all the fish from the ocean to be served on a plate.... its not like he needs the money, he is the cook of the pirate king after all.

 

[King Moe]

instead of baratie... but a place with all the fish from the ocean to be served on a plate.... its not like he needs the money, he is the cook of the pirate king after all.

Could be possible Sanji could unlock how to access sea to be available for many to come as maybe it has something to do with Raftel and it's secrets perhaps.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

instead of baratie... but a place with all the fish from the ocean to be served on a plate.... its not like he needs the money, he is the cook of the pirate king after all.

but rarely any people would come there. I thought he became a cook to feed the hungry people?
Feels more fitting for him to just continue his life at baratie. Zeff is his family, after all.

 

[catagon87]

all blue is unlikely to be a place easily accessible. I see Sanji opening his own restaurant there instead.

I mean to be fair, Mount Everest was hard to access half a century ago, now you can pay some money to a tour group and go there with minimal climbing experience. You may even freeze to death waiting in line because it's so packed.

I suspect Sanji's dreams coincide with Nami's dreams, and possibly even Franky to an extent.. The reason places in OP are so hard to access is the world of OP clearly lacks good mapping / navigation abilities.

I can see once Nami completes her World Map, that people in the OP world will travel more freely, and Franky will likely come up with some kind of ship design, or extend the sea train to make the world more freely accessible to the entirety of the population. So there'd probably be a system to get people to the famous All Blue Cafe.

Also note that Zeff has the same dream as Sanji. I imagine Sanji will share that dream with Zeff. Zeff will have a great appreciation of the fact Sanji was able to see the whole world and achieve access to All Blue, and this would be a great way to pay Zeff the enormous debt Sanji feels obliged to pay him.

 

[King Moe]

I feel like maybe Strawhats' Dreams all connect to one another in overall design if you think about. Their dreams could be all achieved at once at Raftel perhaps?

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It be interesting to see Sanji having restaurant in All Blue as can see him visible fishing for Sea Kings out in the sea kinda similar to Rayleigh when he was fighting to eat Sea Kings on his own.

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Got another question, So COC with COA can make attacks give our an aura-like power or be apart of something by force of will, correct? Giving talk about COC, I think it might be possible Sanji might have it already without knowing himself. When cloaking himself on fire like with Hell Memories or when DJ can burn through opponents and materials, could give hints about his abilities or at least where it can lead to.

 

[Nie Li]

Got another question, So COC with COA can make attacks give our an aura-like power or be apart of something by force of will, correct? Giving talk about COC, I think it might be possible Sanji might have it already without knowing himself. When cloaking himself on fire like with Hell Memories or when DJ can burn through opponents and materials, could give hints about his abilities or at least where it can lead to.

There's no relation between fire skills and CoC.

If they were, I could confirm Zoro and Kin'emon as CoC users who imbue their swords with fire that "can burn through opponents and materials".

Sanji may or may not have CoC, but his fire skills are not hints of anything.