Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Grandmaster Woro]

That's what I mean. Doesn't make sense why Sanji should face him when Scabbards are now active again and want to have their revenge. Why give it to someone else to Kanjuro when Kinemon vs Kanjuro is more deep given how long they known each other and have to be one to fight him in honor of Oden given they were trained by same person.

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Anyone thinking on new techniques or old techniques Sanji will show later. Feel like talk on Lineage Factor few chapters ago could relate something on him. Possible it could awaken experimental properties in his body into new stage of power.

Sanji trained in kamabakka island, so he might have okama kenpo techniques

 

[Fox666]

I'm still waiting for Sanji to reveal his Swirling Galaxy Wink.

 

[Nie Li]

Sanji trained in kamabakka island, so he might have okama kenpo techniques

If we go by the anime, wasn't he literally offered to learn secret okama techniques?

 

[catagon87]

If we go by the anime, wasn't he literally offered to learn secret okama techniques?

Pretty sure that in his homophobia he refused to learn Newkama Kenpo, and opted to just power through the trial of learning Attack Cuisine in his own way.
I, to this day, don't get why he went through "two years of hell" to learn attack cuisine, and has only used it once in Big Mom's wedding cake.

Plus Idk why you guys don't think Yamato or even Shinobi can't stop Kanjuro on their side

It's possible, but Yamato wants to go fight up on the dome. He'll probably try and hand Momo off to someone. Shinobu is just a weird match-up for Kanjuro. She's not that strong, and he is.

... plus King and Queen are the ones who want to go after Momo the most, so they going to take priority more.

Kanjuro is currently also going after Momo, as stated by Denjiro.

King and Queen are both pretty busy with Marco. Getting Momo isn't realistic for them currently.

 

[King Moe]

I'm still waiting for Sanji to reveal his Swirling Galaxy Wink.

Nah, he isn't into that and plus isn't that DF move? He isn't even doing that when he doesn't have DF.

Sanji trained in kamabakka island, so he might have okama kenpo techniques

Pretty sure that in his homophobia he refused to learn Newkama Kenpo, and opted to just power through the trial of learning Attack Cuisine in his own way.
I, to this day, don't get why he went through "two years of hell" to learn attack cuisine, and has only used it once in Big Mom's wedding cake.



It's possible, but Yamato wants to go fight up on the dome. He'll probably try and hand Momo off to someone. Shinobu is just a weird match-up for Kanjuro. She's not that strong, and he is.



Kanjuro is currently also going after Momo, as stated by Denjiro.

King and Queen are both pretty busy with Marco. Getting Momo isn't realistic for them currently.

Pretty sure he know more cuisine than just that. Though we will see it another time though.

She can't fly though and promised she protect Momo, so she would fight Kanjuro to do that and hard to say as Shinobu could handle Kanjuro given she was trained by Oden too and Scabbards do respect her power as well.

He isn't only one to want Momo though and King and Queen are already tiring Macro who can't handle them as well Perospero is around there too. King or Queen are more likely for Sanji to fight with when they see Momo especially him wanting to go up there on the Roof. I can see Sanji and Yamato fighting YCs before they head up there to support Luffy while Momo go there to see how Luffy doing first.

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I have a couple of ideas.

1. Diable Jambe on both legs. He has already done something like this but not in a fight. I also imagine that Sanji could use that fire to boost his speed somehow and/or kick with both legs to double the damage.

2. Hotter fire. Like plasma level hot maybe?

3. Fire tornado. Basically we've seen Sanji spinning really fast to go into DJ mode. But I think it'd be cool if he could launch fire tornadoes out of that spinning. Kinda like Zoro's tatsumaki, but based on fire.

4. Black Haki. This one is pretty basic and self-explanatory.

1. I mean we haven't seen full power of double Diable Jambe on both legs, so have to see on that.

2. Possible for that to happen on fire power increasing to that.

3. You mean one we saw in Anime that combines with Cipher Pol move? He use something similar to breaking the fences with Zoro with long-distance attack.

4. You mean fire that look like black flames or a bit more than that?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

1. I mean we haven't seen full power of double Diable Jambe on both legs, so have to see on that.

2. Possible for that to happen on fire power increasing to that.

3. You mean one we saw in Anime that combines with Cipher Pol move? He use something similar to breaking the fences with Zoro with long-distance attack.

4. You mean fire that look like black flames or a bit more than that?

3. Don't quite recall that in the anime, to be honest.

4. Just more black haki. We've seen it in the anime, so Sanji probably has it. But it is nowhere near the amount of times we've seen Zoro, Luffy or Jinbei utilize it.

Sanji can be a scary opponent if he combines a high level of armament haki with DJ.

Honesty it's hard to be creative with characters like Sanji and Zoro at this point. Maybe that's why Oda decided to give Sanji the raid suit.

What other new unique skills can Zoro have? Cut bigger and harder objects? Use more haki? What can Sanji do? Burn hotter? Use more haki?

One other potential route for Sanji is the awakening of Germa genes.

What are your ideas, King Moe san?

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

don't get why he went through "two years of hell" to learn attack cuisine, and has only used it once in Big Mom's wedding cake.

Oda just hasn't treated the boy right at all.

The cuisine, we barely see the effects of this food that's supposed to give unnatural energy and such.

2 years to get 99 recipes and we don't see the value of it whatsover. Heck, If Sanji's cooking was similar to a senzu bean like DBZ where Luffy could just eat it when he's really short on energy... he'd look valuable, but nope.

We can't even tell he improved as a Cook.

It's almost like he's had no character progression other than being a punching bag, sleaze bag with his snooping shenanigans and everything that was built up regarding his value in bringing him from WCI to Wano seems redundant as he's yet to show he's worth his salt (or the supposed 1,000 men Luffy said he's worth).

Sanji is one of the characters I want to see Oda really make robust. He needs Hardening at least now that Luffy's using Advanced Haki, Zoro's King's Haki will awaken soon as will his Advanced Haki probably... and then there's Sanji who is just doing nothing. I will stay optimistic.

 

[King Moe]

Oda just hasn't treated the boy right at all.

The cuisine, we barely see the effects of this food that's supposed to give unnatural energy and such.

2 years to get 99 recipes and we don't see the value of it whatsover. Heck, If Sanji's cooking was similar to a senzu bean like DBZ where Luffy could just eat it when he's really short on energy... he'd look valuable, but nope.

We can't even tell he improved as a Cook.

It's almost like he's had no character progression other than being a punching bag, sleaze bag with his snooping shenanigans and everything that was built up regarding his value in bringing him from WCI to Wano seems redundant as he's yet to show he's worth his salt (or the supposed 1,000 men Luffy said he's worth).

Sanji is one of the characters I want to see Oda really make robust. He needs Hardening at least now that Luffy's using Advanced Haki, Zoro's King's Haki will awaken soon as will his Advanced Haki probably... and then there's Sanji who is just doing nothing. I will stay optimistic.

Would you stop with biased hate already and stop thinking Sanji isn't or won't do nothing. If him not fighting women makes you think he hasn't done anything before that or after, then you never understand situations like Enies Lobby where he comes to fight someone stronger and work in tide of battle as well.

Thinking he hasn't gotten stronger or haven't been helpful in NW is headcannon biased. He has excel not in his occupation, but his prowress as a fighter. You haven't been paying attention to his performance if you think situation is that when it isn't. You need patience with OP series.

This type shallowness doesn't help, but make you petty and think something that isn't. We haven't even seen Sanji go full power in a fight yet to begin with and yet he shown above T6H. We can expect more out of him with being helpful while showing how strong he is as a fighter given him facing YC being either King or Queen and might be next group to support Luffy to fight Kaido to give him another break before their true 1 on 1 fight.

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3. Don't quite recall that in the anime, to be honest.

4. Just more black haki. We've seen it in the anime, so Sanji probably has it. But it is nowhere near the amount of times we've seen Zoro, Luffy or Jinbei utilize it.

Sanji can be a scary opponent if he combines a high level of armament haki with DJ.

Honesty it's hard to be creative with characters like Sanji and Zoro at this point. Maybe that's why Oda decided to give Sanji the raid suit.

What other new unique skills can Zoro have? Cut bigger and harder objects? Use more haki? What can Sanji do? Burn hotter? Use more haki?

One other potential route for Sanji is the awakening of Germa genes.

What are your ideas, King Moe san?

It's episode where Zoro and Sanji stop Orochi from getting Toko. They do attacks on the fence and Sanji seems to do some long-range attack that reminds me of Cipher Pol move.

I mean pretty sure he can use Arnament as it been mention before. Just he has dark-color scheme for his attire so it's hard to see it, but we can see it more given he isn't wearing that or something in dark-color in the manga. It's like with King who we can't tell if he is using Arnament given his dark-color design. If he can injured T6H without trying, then his Haki is on a high level on him.

We have to see on what new attacks or bring back old techniques to make new ones. Idk about that with Oda, but seems he trying to work their development not as the same as at least not compare to Luffy, but doesn't mean they aren't getting stronger on their own and abilities. Their Haki have to grow to be able to keep up with Luffy and new enemies they have to face later arcs.

If I have to say on ideas, I feel either his genes will awaken to give him a boost in power along with his Haki. Could add new type of fire of different colors he can use and there is possible whether this arc or future arc he can show he has COC inside of him as well. I have to think on ideas more, but I can know Sanji haven't shown his full power during NW, so this arc can truly show on that given possibilities and hints with King or Queen along might be among next support to fight Kaido for Luffy from another fight with Kaido again.

 

[A$APBog]

We are subjects not objects King Moe. Of course we're going to have bias because it's the human nature.

To be honest, I also can't really see how his cooking improved.

Moreover, if 10/12 years of wait are not patience, I don't really know what it is.

If you think Sanji was treated rightly, good for you. If you think WCI was enough, good for you. If you liked his showcase against Dofla/Vergo/Judge, good for you. If you are satisfied with his unseen fight against Yonji and his unfinished/unseen fight against PO, that's great. If a cake which was supposed to "knock out" BM put her out of the picture for barely 2 chapters was also sufficient, that's great.

For me, for a lot of people it is not. And I do not think it's "hating" to say so.

 

[HereNThere]

Honesty it's hard to be creative with characters like Sanji and Zoro at this point. Maybe that's why Oda decided to give Sanji the raid suit.

Not really. Oda has plenty of things he can still do with those two. Especially with what he's set up before.

In Sanji's case, I keep bringing them up, but it's implied that he has a Well Cooked series of moves with Well Cooked: Grill Shot being one of them. He could have several moves like that create grill marks with each kick.

He could variations that focus on roasting or frying that leave different patterns and effects of sear marks and lingering wounds.

He has Hell's Memories, which could a new form unto itself. It could basically be used to increase the effectiveness of his usual combos by lightning the opponent aflame and following it up with a variety of moves that incite the flames further or just prevent them from putting it out.

He could have his own variation of Rankyaku that doesn't cut, but uses blunt force.

At the end of the day, the Raid Suit doesn't even change him offensively. He's going to be using flaming kicks no matter , so in that regard Oda's creativity is still going to be the same.

Not going to get into Zoro here, but same thing. Plenty of moves to build upon or twist around.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

We are subjects not objects King Moe. Of course we're going to have bias because it's the human nature.

To be honest, I also can't really see how his cooking improved.

Moreover, if 10/12 years of wait are not patience, I don't really know what it is.

If you think Sanji was treated rightly, good for you. If you think WCI was enough, good for you. If you liked his showcase against Dofla/Vergo/Judge, good for you. If you are satisfied with his unseen fight against Yonji and his unfinished/unseen fight against PO, that's great. If a cake which was supposed to "knock out" BM put her out of the picture for barely 2 chapters was also sufficient, that's great.

For me, for a lot of people it is not. And I do not think it's "hating" to say so.

Pretty ironic for moe to talk about bias to be honest. Since he is the most biased here in favour of sanji.

For cooking, he should have improved since his debut at baratie. But it's definitely not useful for the crews so far, except that the cuisine get more delicious i guess

 

[A$APBog]

Pretty ironic for moe to talk about bias to be honest. Since he is the most biased here in favour of sanji.

For cooking, he should have improved since his debut at baratie. But it's definitely not useful for the crews so far, except that the cuisine get more delicious i guess

Well, to be honest I can understand him. I'm also a Sanji fan after all.

It can be quite irritating sometime when you have the impression that the person you are talking too try to downplay the character you like the most.

Recently, I've been kind of triggered by people who were saying to me "He's the cook, nothing less, nothing more. Do not try to see him/picture him as the character he never was. His NW treatment is perfect as it is, I don't even understand how you can not agree with that.
".

But to be honest maybe they are right, maybe we've been too spoiled, maybe his NW is perfect. I don't know.

Still, I'm deeply disappointed by him (or his treatment) since the timeskip. I would not even be surprised if he's fighting Kanjuro as his main fight to be honest. I would just be disapointed again.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Recently, I've been kind of triggered by people who were saying to me "He's the cook, nothing less, nothing more. Do not try to see him/picture him as the character he never was. His NW treatment is perfect as it is, I don't even understand how you can not agree with that.

For real, I feel you guy's pain.

I'm not a fan of any characters specifically so I can be more objective when I view them, but he's not treated well at all.

Fact he didn't even get to do anything against Kaido or feats in the New World is BS.

The "he's a cook argument" is BS.

Marco's a doctor and he's also Whitebeard's 1st mate. Profession shouldn't determine whether or not someone is strong.

Jimbei is a helmsman, Rayleigh coats ships, yet both are powerful. Being a cook shouldn't mean he can't be strong.

Sanji deserves better.

I hated the WCI arc because Oda gave Sanji a Raid Suit from this family that hated him, and they apparently only gave him because they thought he was weak. I'd have preferred Sanji to just get stronger and prove himself with his own power.

Even at the very end of the arc, Judge still didn't acknowledge him. While he did save them with the cake... it's not the same as Sanji showing how strong he should be. Sanji shouldn't be any weaker than Jimbei or at least, close to Zoro, but it's hard to even make a good argument that he's that strong.

I just hope Oda will do something good with Sanji before the arc ends. It's overdue.

 

[King Moe]

We are subjects not objects King Moe. Of course we're going to have bias because it's the human nature.

To be honest, I also can't really see how his cooking improved.

Moreover, if 10/12 years of wait are not patience, I don't really know what it is.

If you think Sanji was treated rightly, good for you. If you think WCI was enough, good for you. If you liked his showcase against Dofla/Vergo/Judge, good for you. If you are satisfied with his unseen fight against Yonji and his unfinished/unseen fight against PO, that's great. If a cake which was supposed to "knock out" BM put her out of the picture for barely 2 chapters was also sufficient, that's great.

For me, for a lot of people it is not. And I do not think it's "hating" to say

I never state anything you can't have opinions, but when it get to the point of being biased, then it's more on personal than what is truly going on.

His cooking has been improving if it can knockout an Yonko. Did you expect Big Mom to be gone for whole series? It did it's purpose and saved everyone when she was about to kill them.

For certain events it takes longer and it hasn't been like that on his performance. The only issue I can is fighting, but ones you mention aren't bad as you make them out to be especially ignoring fights on PO, Oven, Daifuku, etc. that shows he still strong fight. The issue is more we haven't seen full-fight on him for awhile which I agree, but stop pretending that he hasn't gained feats and been stronger. Vergo he was beating him even while nerfed and Vergo couldn't do the mission because of him, Judge has to cheat to stop his attacks, and Doflamingo while he didn't face him, he still was complimented for his power and protected the crew.

Again your missing the point of the cake if you think she be knockout forever if that is your 'critic' as nothing implies she wouldn't wake up later. The goal was to stop her chasing them and it did.

It is 'hating' if twisting the narrative to think situation into something else when it hasn't gotten to be a issue. Just few think Sanji won't do anything else because he can't fight women when we been through this situation before in pre-timeskip and it is not the case if your starting to think that.

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Pretty ironic for moe to talk about bias to be honest. Since he is the most biased here in favour of sanji.

For cooking, he should have improved since his debut at baratie. But it's definitely not useful for the crews so far, except that the cuisine get more delicious i guess

Grand, your the one with biased, so ironic for you to talk given how you get heated if we mention Zoro in a way you don't like it.

Sanji been helpful in NW more than most of the Strawhats and there more to him to be helpful in both cooking and fighting.

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Well, to be honest I can understand him. I'm also a Sanji fan after all.

It can be quite irritating sometime when you have the impression that the person you are talking too try to downplay the character you like the most.

Recently, I've been kind of triggered by people who were saying to me "He's the cook, nothing less, nothing more. Do not try to see him/picture him as the character he never was. His NW treatment is perfect as it is, I don't even understand how you can not agree with that.
".

But to be honest maybe they are right, maybe we've been too spoiled, maybe his NW is perfect. I don't know.

Still, I'm deeply disappointed by him (or his treatment) since the timeskip. I would not even be surprised if he's fighting Kanjuro as his main fight to be honest. I would just be disapointed again.

If they are saying 'he is just a cook' then they never get his debut episode of him fighting enemies and even counter the argument with 'Just a cook? I'll kill you!'. Yes he is a cook, but also a fighter. Do you not think he won't keep fighting in this arc or future ones? That's more on biased headcannon than actual canon. Also again why would he fight someone like Kanjuro when there are those who can fight him like Scabbards for serious fights given personal ties along with Yamato and Shinobi are there to fight him too. You guys really letting thinking Oda over scene with women thinking he won't fight stronger enemy if you think he fight Kanjuro. Your were worried about him facing even Jack when it turns out to be harring and he face someone else stronger too.

Sanji's NW performance hasn't been disappointing especially your acting more selective than actual looking at whole situation. The only issue I will say you on is more he needs full-fight as we can't pretend he hasn't beaten and overpower credible enemies when he has.

 

[A$APBog]

I never state anything you can't have opinions, but when it get to the point of being biased, then it's more on personal than what is truly going on.

His cooking has been improving if it can knockout an Yonko. Did you expect Big Mom to be gone for whole series? It did it's purpose and saved everyone when she was about to kill them.

For certain events it takes longer and it hasn't been like that on his performance. The only issue I can is fighting, but ones you mention aren't bad as you make them out to be especially ignoring fights on PO, Oven, Daifuku, etc. that shows he still strong fight. The issue is more we haven't seen full-fight on him for awhile which I agree, but stop pretending that he hasn't gained feats and been stronger. Vergo he was beating him even while nerfed and Vergo couldn't do the mission because of him, Judge has to cheat to stop his attacks, and Doflamingo while he didn't face him, he still was complimented for his power and protected the crew.

Again your missing the point of the cake if you think she be knockout forever if that is your 'critic' as nothing implies she wouldn't wake up later. The goal was to stop her chasing them and it did.

It is 'hating' if twisting the narrative to think situation into something else when it hasn't gotten to be a issue. Just few think Sanji won't do anything else because he can't fight women when we been through this situation before in pre-timeskip and it is not the case if your starting to think that.

OK, so that's true that biased opinions can be annoying, but putting words or assumptions in my mouth that I've never said can be quite irritating. No, I was not expecting the cake to K.O BM till the end of the serie or "forever" and I've never said that. Yes, I was expecting him to K.O BM till the end of WCI. And I don't think it would have been too much.
And you said, the cake stopped her chasing them.

Yes, for something like 5min. After that, the fishmen had to deal with a fully healed BM thanks to the cake.

It's not even twisting the story, it's basically the chapter after she ate the cake.

And to be honest, I don't know how many fishmen had to die because they had to face this calamity at 100% and the runaway of Sanji.

Again, tell me how I'm twisting the story or if I'm making up arguments man.

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I never state anything you can't have opinions, but when it get to the point of being biased, then it's more on personal than what is truly going on.

His cooking has been improving if it can knockout an Yonko. Did you expect Big Mom to be gone for whole series? It did it's purpose and saved everyone when she was about to kill them.

For certain events it takes longer and it hasn't been like that on his performance. The only issue I can is fighting, but ones you mention aren't bad as you make them out to be especially ignoring fights on PO, Oven, Daifuku, etc. that shows he still strong fight. The issue is more we haven't seen full-fight on him for awhile which I agree, but stop pretending that he hasn't gained feats and been stronger. Vergo he was beating him even while nerfed and Vergo couldn't do the mission because of him, Judge has to cheat to stop his attacks, and Doflamingo while he didn't face him, he still was complimented for his power and protected the crew.

Again your missing the point of the cake if you think she be knockout forever if that is your 'critic' as nothing implies she wouldn't wake up later. The goal was to stop her chasing them and it did.

It is 'hating' if twisting the narrative to think situation into something else when it hasn't gotten to be a issue. Just few think Sanji won't do anything else because he can't fight women when we been through this situation before in pre-timeskip and it is not the case if your starting to think that.

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Grand, your the one with biased, so ironic for you to talk given how you get heated if we mention Zoro in a way you don't like it.

Sanji been helpful in NW more than most of the Strawhats and there more to him to be helpful in both cooking and fighting.

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If they are saying 'he is just a cook' then they never get his debut episode of him fighting enemies and even counter the argument with 'Just a cook? I'll kill you!'. Yes he is a cook, but also a fighter. Do you not think he won't keep fighting in this arc or future ones? That's more on biased headcannon than actual canon. Also again why would he fight someone like Kanjuro when there are those who can fight him like Scabbards for serious fights given personal ties along with Yamato and Shinobi are there to fight him too. You guys really letting thinking Oda over scene with women thinking he won't fight stronger enemy if you think he fight Kanjuro. Your were worried about him facing even Jack when it turns out to be harring and he face someone else stronger too.

Sanji's NW performance hasn't been disappointing especially your acting more selective than actual looking at whole situation. The only issue I will say you on is more he needs full-fight as we can't pretend he hasn't beaten and overpower credible enemies when he has.

Give me the panel where he clearly win against a strong opponent solo. Just one image where he's clearly standing as the winner against an impressive opponent completely K.O. Show it to me please. Show me the "Jabra v Sanji" of NW or at least the "Mr 2. v Sanji" of the NW.

Again, maybe it's not disapointing for you, but do not take your point of view as the universal truth. It is not for me, period.

 

[King Moe]

For real, I feel you guy's pain.

I'm not a fan of any characters specifically so I can be more objective when I view them, but he's not treated well at all.

Fact he didn't even get to do anything against Kaido or feats in the New World is BS.

The "he's a cook argument" is BS.

Marco's a doctor and he's also Whitebeard's 1st mate. Profession shouldn't determine whether or not someone is strong.

Jimbei is a helmsman, Rayleigh coats ships, yet both are powerful. Being a cook shouldn't mean he can't be strong.

Sanji deserves better.

I hated the WCI arc because Oda gave Sanji a Raid Suit from this family that hated him, and they apparently only gave him because they thought he was weak. I'd have preferred Sanji to just get stronger and prove himself with his own power.

Even at the very end of the arc, Judge still didn't acknowledge him. While he did save them with the cake... it's not the same as Sanji showing how strong he should be. Sanji shouldn't be any weaker than Jimbei or at least, close to Zoro, but it's hard to even make a good argument that he's that strong.

I just hope Oda will do something good with Sanji before the arc ends. It's overdue.

You few are letting yourself feel he won't do anything else when he has been especially we seen he doesn't use RS to fight for sake of power and only for stealth missions. He still strong without RS and it won't stop him fighting without it. I think issue you guys are not checking is how he been acting in whole scope, not picking and choosing thinking it going that way when it isn't. It's obvious Sanji even with RS, he still fight with his own power given 'invisibility' doesn't give you increase in attack or other stats. That you should tell you difference given his siblings have elemental powers from theirs. Sanji is getting stronger if he defeated T6H with ease, He is stronger than Jimbei and is still comparable with Zoro given the fact he be facing someone stronger later and helping on the tide of battle soon.

Also Judge did acknowledge him, but his pride wouldn't let him say it in obvious words. Why else would he put RS for him if he didn't think he deserve it. Doubt he doubt his power, but just give it to him out of respect of his own way.

You need patience then than biased on bashing thinking he won't do anything else. You few are thinking he won't do anything just because he won't harm women when this isn't first time he face situation like this and come to fight someone stronger with working in the tide of battle as well.

 

[A$APBog]

You few are letting yourself feel he won't do anything else when he has been especially we seen he doesn't use RS to fight for sake of power and only for stealth missions. He still strong without RS and it won't stop him fighting without it. I think issue you guys are not checking is how he been acting in whole scope, not picking and choosing thinking it going that way when it isn't. It's obvious Sanji even with RS, he still fight with his own power given 'invisibility' doesn't give you increase in attack or other stats. That you should tell you difference given his siblings have elemental powers from theirs. Sanji is getting stronger if he defeated T6H with ease, He is stronger than Jimbei and is still comparable with Zoro given the fact he be facing someone stronger later and helping on the tide of battle soon.

Also Judge did acknowledge him, but his pride wouldn't let him say it in obvious words. Why else would he put RS for him if he didn't think he deserve it. Doubt he doubt his power, but just give it to him out of respect of his own way.

You need patience then than biased on bashing thinking he won't do anything else. You few are thinking he won't do anything just because he won't harm women when this isn't first time he face situation like this and come to fight someone stronger with working in the tide of battle as well.

Stop talking about patience when we already waited 12 years seriously. The last time I saw Sanji winning by himself I was still in middle school and I'm currently on the point of finishing my Master.

 

[King Moe]

OK, so that's true that biased opinions can be annoying, but putting words or assumptions in my mouth that I've never said can be quite irritating. No, I was not expecting the cake to K.O BM till the end of the serie or "forever" and I've never said that. Yes, I was expecting him to K.O BM till the end of WCI. And I don't think it would have been too much.
And you said, the cake stopped her chasing them.

Yes, for something like 5min. After that, the fishmen had to deal with a fully healed BM thanks to the cake.

It's not even twisting the story, it's basically the chapter after she ate the cake.

And to be honest, I don't know how many fishmen had to die because they had to face this calamity at 100% and the runaway of Sanji.

Again, tell me how I'm twisting the story or if I'm making up arguments man.

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Give me the panel where he clearly win against a strong opponent solo. Just one image where he's clearly standing as the winner against an impressive opponent completely K.O. Show it to me please. Show me the "Jabra v Sanji" of NW or at least the "Mr 2. v Sanji" of the NW.

Again, maybe it's not disapointing for you, but do not take your point of view as the universal truth. It is not for me, period.

She technically was as she was only able to get to the location when arc was finished and she didn't pursue them. Though issue is just because she inactive doesn't mean her crew won't stop chasing them. Which was bigger issue. It's not because it didn't succeed in knocking her out as it did for few hours, but you can't expect her crew to not do anything in trying to stop them.

Nah, few hours. You can't compare real time to anime and manga. It shown given how they talk about her being asleep for awhile before waking up.

They were fine afterwards given you see Jimbei safe and would have mention about his crew if something did happen. Trying to force this on Sanji when he was one to saved them is kinda dumb. Especially hope your not thinking they could have overpower her as even nerfed, she was dangerous and Jimbei stating to 'go without the ship' given situation shows they wouldn't stop her. This what I mean your using biased to change narrative when it been explain by others on situation and why it make sense. Jimbei and Germa choose to stay behind to fight. Strawhats especially Sanji didn't ask them to, but did especially to stop her Yonko crew to escape. What you think her crew was going to do while she was knockout for few hours? Do nothing? Trying to put this on Sanji's side makes illogical sense about it.

You few try to push it as that when it's not really if you seen videos explaining WCI on why it is and make sense. I would have feel a bit of the same too until watching certain videos on why on the events.

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Stop talking about patience when we already waited 12 years seriously. The last time I saw Sanji winning by himself I was still in middle school and I'm currently on the point of finishing my Master.

Think how many of Strawhats and fans wanting to see them fight who have to wait longer. Heck even Zoro hasn't have good fight for years and he been facing fodders like Hody and Pica which fights are nothing like his pre-timeskip fights if we comparing them. Issue is more we haven't gotten full fights on each of them while Luffy been getting most fight development more which is the truth. Doesn't mean everyone haven't been stronger when they have show they are getting stronger.

Sanji beating PO and would add Sanji vs Drake canon filler, but 'certain mod' say not to use Anime anymore even one with backing. Those are recent. I agree on wanting see more fights on Sanji, but again patience with OP is something you have to work with given it been like that when waiting on certain events to happen that fans wanted to see for a long time.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

OK, so that's true that biased opinions can be annoying, but putting words or assumptions in my mouth that I've never said can be quite irritating. No, I was not expecting the cake to K.O BM till the end of the serie or "forever" and I've never said that. Yes, I was expecting him to K.O BM till the end of WCI. And I don't think it would have been too much.

This is part of what I hated about WCI.

We were told she'd be knocked out and it didn't, she still went on to chase them, lol.

 

[King Moe]

This is part of what I hated about WCI.

We were told she'd be knocked out and it didn't, she still went on to chase them, lol.

It did knock her out. Did you expect her to be asleep forever? Goal was to divert and knock her out which it did. It was a few hours and she never came back to chase them. Your missing point, Hannibal. Especially your ignoring true situation that even with her inactive, what will stop BMP Crew from chasing them? They were issue why it didn't stop there and you expect to put that on Sanji not stopping Yonko Crew? Your not understanding the situation of WCI on events if thinking like that.