Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[afromarco005]

If we go by the anime, wasn't he literally offered to learn secret okama techniques?

I can't wait to see Newkama kempo secret techniques. It will throw us back to His fight with mr 2

 

[King Moe]

I can't wait to see Newkama kempo secret techniques. It will throw us back to His fight with mr 2

Sanji doesn't change his fighting style, he will evolved it to be something more. Especially he fight with his legs and take them to next level just like Garp like fighting with his arms and take them to next level.

 

[afromarco005]

Sanji doesn't change his fighting style, he will evolved it to be something more.

Nah he can use newkama secret techniques as long as it doesnt involve his arms.
Looking forward to it.

Especially he fight with his legs and take them to next level just like Garp like fighting with his arms and take them to next level.

That's a bold claim.

If anything Sanji would be the new scopper or Zeff.
Koby will be like garp gaining ryuo, awaking his CoC etc.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah he can use newkama secret techniques as long as it doesnt involve his arms.
Looking forward to it.

Agreed. In fact many of Mr.2's techniques were kicks.

Let me get something straight: Kuma sent every strawhat to places in which they'd grow stronger through specific training.

They chose to remain for two years in those places so they aren't so easily defeated again by guys like Kizaru, so the whole purpose of staying separated for two years was training in very favorable environments.

Luffy got acquainted with haki in Amazon Lily and then trained it with Rayleigh for two years. Zoro was trained by the WSS. Nami went to the most advanced island on metereology which directly boosted her fighting style. Franky spent two years in one of Vegapunk's older laboratories improving his cyborg capabilities. Robin was trained by the Revolutionary Army. Etc.

What did Sanji do? The only things we learnt are that his movement speed became much faster (and he became able to run through the air and even run underwater at fast speeds. We were told that he became so fast from running away from the okama for two years. Alright, fair enough.

We also saw that his strength was improved by a lot as he oneshot a Pacifista together with Zoro, so we can assume he somehow grew much stronger from kicking the okamas away.

But is that all he did? Was his specific 2-year supertraining just to run away for two years? Was there no better place to send him for the timeskip training?

 

[King Moe]

Nah he can use newkama secret techniques as long as it doesnt involve his arms.
Looking forward to it.




That's a bold claim.

If anything Sanji would be the new scopper or Zeff.
Koby will be like Garp gaining ryuo, awaking his CoC etc.

Nah, that like saying Zoro should know stuff from Perona given interactions, but he doesn't show that. It won't match with Sanji at all.

Koby is next Aokiji, not Garp. Idk about him having COC now. My point was about Garp uses just fighting with his fists and he became someone to be PK Tier, so we should expect new level on him using his legs on his side too. It already been establish about him using more his legs even when using RS, he still does uses Black Leg style.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, that like saying Zoro should know stuff from Perona given interactions, but he doesn't show that. It won't match with Sanji at all.

Not at all the same thing. Sanji didn't just interact with the okamas. They were supposed to be his trainers for 2 years. It would actually be cool if he showed some techniques that reflected that.

 

[King Moe]

Agreed. In fact many of Mr.2's techniques were kicks.

Let me get something straight: Kuma sent every strawhat to places in which they'd grow stronger through specific training.

They chose to remain for two years in those places so they aren't so easily defeated again by guys like Kizaru, so the whole purpose of staying separated for two years was training in very favorable environments.

Luffy got acquainted with haki in Amazon Lily and then trained it with Rayleigh for two years. Zoro was trained by the WSS. Nami went to the most advanced island on metereology which directly boosted her fighting style. Franky spent two years in one of Vegapunk's older laboratories improving his cyborg capabilities. Robin was trained by the Revolutionary Army. Etc.

What did Sanji do? The only things we learnt are that his movement speed became much faster (and he became able to run through the air and even run underwater at fast speeds. We were told that he became so fast from running away from the okama for two years. Alright, fair enough.

We also saw that his strength was improved by a lot as he oneshot a Pacifista together with Zoro, so we can assume he somehow grew much stronger from kicking the okamas away.

But is that all he did? Was his specific 2-year supertraining just to run away for two years? Was there no better place to send him for the timeskip training?

That is headcannon for him to be like someone especially he doesn't have DF for any of the moves you few are suggesting.

Sanji got taught on his Haki and increase his power on his own, not by learning anything on them unless for those recipes that are use not in middle of fighting. It is actually interesting on Sanji self-taughing his moves more given compare learning it as that kinda shows he is more of genius on fighting much more. Again, he does have new moves, but nothing about Okama for them as it's more of moves he gets from What he know about Zeff and CP moves to add onto them.

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Not at all the same thing. Sanji didn't just interact with the okamas. They were supposed to be his trainers for 2 years. It would actually be cool if he showed some techniques that reflected that.

Nah, the same thing. We can't denied what Perona taught Zoro during his time as who knows about type of her powers can do. Maybe Zoro know defense from teddy bear as a way of training or training weight. Just using as a example.

Not really as you see Some of Strawhats not fighting with something different just because they train in somewhere else. Doesn't make sense to change their fighting style as that like saying Luffy should not use his DF powers and fight more without it or something new.

 

[Nie Li]

That is headcannon for him to be like someone especially he doesn't have DF for any of the moves you few are suggesting.

Sanji got taught on his Haki and increase his power on his own, not by learning anything on them unless for those recipes that are use not in middle of fighting. It is actually interesting on Sanji self-taughing his moves more given compare learning it as that kinda shows he is more of genius on fighting much more. Again, he does have new moves, but nothing about Okama for them as it's more of moves he gets from What he know about Zeff and CP moves to add onto them.

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Nah, the same thing. We can't denied what Perona taught Zoro during his time as who knows about type of her powers can do. Maybe Zoro know defense from teddy bear as a way of training or training weight. Just using as a example.

Not really as you see Some of Strawhats not fighting with something different just because they train in somewhere else. Doesn't make sense to change their fighting style as that like saying Luffy should not use his DF powers and fight more without it or something new.

Who said anything about changing Sanji's fighting style? Okama kenpo involves many kicks that Sanji could implement to his style and they have nothing to do with DF powers. If Sanji fought with them and was trained by them for two years it would be cool to see it reflected in some of his techniques.

That’s all, it's a shame that it's not reflected. And no, I'm not saying he should be an okama. That's not needed for the techniques.

Don't be petty and don't compare that to Perona. Zoro wasn't trained by her and didn't fight against her. She's a DF user with no knowledge of haki, no knowledge of swordsmanship and not even any knowledge on brawling. It's obvious that Zoro couldn't have learnt anything fighting-related from her and it has nothing to do with Sanji's situation. Okamas trained Sanji so the fair comparison is not Perona, but Mihawk; the one who trained Zoro.

 

[afromarco005]

Nah, that like saying Zoro should know stuff from Perona given interactions, but he doesn't show that. It won't match with Sanji at all.

Koby is next Aokiji, not Garp. Idk about him having COC now. My point was about Garp uses just fighting with his fists and he became someone to be PK Tier, so we should expect new level on him using his legs on his side too. It already been establish about him using more his legs even when using RS, he still does uses Black Leg style.

Perona didnt train Zoro Mihawk did. On the other hand the okama did train sanji.
Big difference.

It would still be Black leg style. Black leg style : newkama kempo secret techniques. It would be cool why are you so against it?

-Garp trained koby for years
-Koby and garp both fight the same
-they both have no DF but somehow Koby is the new Aokiji? What kind of logic is that?

 

[King Moe]

Who said anything about changing Sanji's fighting style? Okama kenpo involves many kicks that Sanji could implement to his style and they have nothing to do with DF powers. If Sanji fought with them and was trained by them for two years it would be cool to see it reflected in some of his techniques.

That’s all, it's a shame that it's not reflected. And no, I'm not saying he should be an okama. That's not needed for the techniques.

Don't be petty and don't compare that to Perona. Zoro wasn't trained by her and didn't fight against her. She's a DF user with no knowledge of haki, no knowledge of swordsmanship and not even any knowledge on brawling. It's obvious that Zoro couldn't have learnt anything fighting-related from her and it has nothing to do with Sanji's situation. Okamas trained Sanji so the fair comparison is not Perona, but Mihawk; the one who trained Zoro.

You few thinking he should change his fighting styles and nah, it wouldn't work like that. Again that is like saying Luffy have to change his DF for something else. Doesn't make sense at all. Just doesn't work given it requires you use hands to fight and style is too different to work for Sanji who works mostly with his legs. Just stating obvious about it.

What petty? Perona was on island as well. Just saying possibility he could learn something from her if we going by your same logic just because they came from island. There is something he can learn on actions from her to work and there is also Baboons as well given it's hinted they could be one who give him a scar on the eye. We don't know if they didn't trained with Zoro later on, so just saying it might be possible. Though proving my example, they won't learn certain styles just because they are with someone on same island as Sanji wasn't about learning their style, it was about training his own style while getting ingredients too.

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Perona didnt train Zoro Mihawk did. On the other hand the okama did train sanji.
Big difference.

It would still be Black leg style. Black leg style : newkama kempo secret techniques. It would be cool why are you so against it?

-Garp trained koby for years
-Koby and garp both fight the same
-they both have no DF but somehow Koby is the new Aokiji? What kind of logic is that?

Idk about that. She helps bandaged him, she could have a train with him just like Baboons could have given hint they could have been ones to scar his eye. Just think about it can teach him style with animal or teddy bear from what he learns on them if your stating it like that.

Nah, Black Leg style fine as it is. Don't force him something doesn't make sense to character unless we seeing teddy bear Zoro in swordsmanship of Zoro.

Being trained by someone doesn't mean you be just like them. Luffy is trained by Rayleigh, but he won't be 'next Rayleigh'. He is being next Roger.

Koby is going be an Admiral given similar traits and good hearts they have, His goal is be Admiral, not Fleet Admiral, so just saying it make sense on that.

 

[Nie Li]

I say

Who said anything about changing Sanji's fighting style? Okama kenpo involves many kicks that Sanji could implement to his style and they have nothing to do with DF powers.

This guy answers

You few thinking he should change his fighting styles and nah, it wouldn't work like that.

Okay, whatever. When you make an effort to read what we tell you, this could become an actual conversation.

 

[HereNThere]

Sanji's training consisted of both running away from the Okama and fighting against the 99 Newkama Masters at the same time. That was the stipulations of the deal Iva made with him in exchange for a boat and the recipes. Not that he'd recieve any formal training. Remember, he rejected that option because of what that entailed I.e. Bridal Training.

That said, Frying Pan Spectrum implies he stole aspects of Iva's Kenpo somehow and flipped it into his own style, but that's the only thing of note. So, so far, it seemed like he mainly polished his own style and physical ability mainly.

The way I see it, Sanji was the inverse of Luffy and Zoro. He had a teacher earlier in life while they were largely self taught. Now they got teachers over the time skip while he mainly developed the style he already had on his own.

There's nothing wrong if Sanji shows Newkama based techniques because, like Frying Pan Spectrum sort of implies, it'll be reworked for his Black Leg Style. I highly doubt Newkenpo would be in the name given how adverse Sanji is to them though.

 

[King Moe]

I say


This guy answers



Okay, whatever. When you make an effort to read what we tell you, this could become an actual conversation.

I do. Though just saying and stating the points on how it wouldn't worked given it's style is different to work with and Sanji is working more on his own style and Black Leg style.

Sanji's training consisted of both running away from the Okama and fighting against the 99 Newkama Masters at the same time. That was the stipulations of the deal Iva made with him in exchange for a boat and the recipes. Not that he'd recieve any formal training. Remember, he rejected that option because of what that entailed I.e. Bridal Training.

That said, Frying Pan Spectrum implies he stole aspects of Iva's Kenpo somehow and flipped it into his own style, but that's the only thing of note. So, so far, it seemed like he mainly polished his own style and physical ability mainly.

The way I see it, Sanji was the inverse of Luffy and Zoro. He had a teacher earlier in life while they were largely self taught. Now they got teachers over the time skip while he mainly developed the style he already had on his own.

There's nothing wrong if Sanji shows Newkama based techniques because, like Frying Pan Spectrum sort of implies, it'll be reworked for his Black Leg Style. I highly doubt Newkenpo would be in the name given how adverse Sanji is to them though.

That's what I mean and Idk if he will incorporated into his own like 'based' given style still uses hands a bit more than legs, so think it more that he works on developing his own and there still styles he can work on given 'Hell Memories' and also old techniques into new versions like Anti-Manner Kick and new techniques we haven't seen his full power on.

 

[M3J]

Not at all the same thing. Sanji didn't just interact with the okamas. They were supposed to be his trainers for 2 years. It would actually be cool if he showed some techniques that reflected that.

Wasn't his training about making food that boosted power?

 

[HereNThere]

Wasn't his training about making food that boosted power?

That was basically the reward for getting through the 2 years without being caught.

 

[M3J]

That was basically the reward for getting through the 2 years without being caught.

That's it? I thought it was more, but otherwise all I know about the physical training is what you answered, trying to get recipes without getting caught.

 

[HereNThere]

That's it? I thought it was more, but otherwise all I know about the physical training is what you answered, trying to get recipes without getting caught.

He had to fight 99 Newkenpo Masters as well, but yeah, that was it for him.

The way its been presented, he basically had no time to actually cook during those two years, just run and fight.

Since it's just recipes and Sanji's a cooking genius who can, apparently, recreate foods after one taste, it makes sense we could skip that facet of his 2 years.

 

[Nie Li]

I wish we would have seen any of all that in the actual manga.

I haven't followed the anime ever since it disappointed me in Marineford.

 

[M3J]

He had to fight 99 Newkenpo Masters as well, but yeah, that was it for him.

The way its been presented, he basically had no time to actually cook during those two years, just run and fight.

Since it's just recipes and Sanji's a cooking genius who can, apparently, recreate foods after one taste, it makes sense we could skip that facet of his 2 years.

I don't remember that panel :x

Wouldn't he just need the recipes and then learn to cook later when he has the time? Given that he doesn't look malnourished, he'd have had time to eat, if not cook as well.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji developed Haki and learn even Cipher Pol moves, so I don't think it was just for cooking only, so he did developed more on his capabilities when it comes to physical. We haven't seen him go full fight to show his powers, so can expect he has more new attacks he can show especially in facing with YC being King or Queen and maybe being next group to go face Kaido to have Luffy have another round with him afterwards.