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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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After this power up I expect Sanji to finally accept the fact that he is a vinsmoke.

"I am Vinsmoke sanji!" Could be a dope moment.
Being a vinsmoke is nothing to be proud of. The vinsmoke family is a family of warmongering mercenaries with a delusion of being royalty. Their history is dark and full bloodshed. Their kingdom is one made out of expendable clones... Taking pride in being a vinsmoke.... You might as well take pride in being a hitler or stalin or castro... That said, maybe we only know judge's part of the vinsmoke history and perhaps there is something salvageable there that sanji could potentially take pride of. But what we know is more than enough to warrant sanji's burring the name for the time being.
 

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hat said, maybe we only know judge's part of the vinsmoke history and perhaps there is something salvageable there that sanji could potentially take pride of. But what we know is more than enough to warrant sanji's burring the name for the time being.
there was something about 6 years and 6 weeks or something like that which VJ mentioned and he could salvage the name to good books, but personally i think he'll take the "Sora, warrior of the sea" title, specially that's what his mom's name was.

But nevertheless, none of this will happen till Sanji and the strawhats have acheived their dreams.. For now, Luffy and Zoro (debatable) have awakened an ability that you can only be born with, the CoC... Sanji's done the same.
 

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there was something about 6 years and 6 weeks or something like that which VJ mentioned and he could salvage the name to good books, but personally i think he'll take the "Sora, warrior of the sea" title, specially that's what his mom's name was.

But nevertheless, none of this will happen till Sanji and the strawhats have acheived their dreams.. For now, Luffy and Zoro (debatable) have awakened an ability that you can only be born with, the CoC... Sanji's done the same.
Going by the wiki there is a bit about the germa taking control of the north blue some 300 years ago. At that point that would mean full scale war with the world government. The framing by the comic book is of them being evil however we know the comic is basically world government propaganda. It'd be interesting if 300 years ago the germa army was in reality a force of good that was actually about liberating folk from the world government. In contrast to the miserable bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics judge made them into.
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On that note, it'd be fairly interesting if the comic book was based on sanji's mother (sora) and her exploits against the vinsmokes... only for her to at some point end up as the queen of the germa.
 

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well, he is going to be recognized as a Vinsmoke wherever he goes, that's for sure. His bounty is reflective of that as well.. now how he uses that name is upto him
 

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whats so dope about Vinsmokes though???? other than smoke
It would mirror what Sanji said to Momo when he said his name to Kaido.
Now its Sanji's turn.
 

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I'm sure whoever it was (...there's so many i've bashed; it's hard to keep track) they had it coming. :4head

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If you can't give sanji his roses for that moment, i don't know what you're still reading for. So far, it's the best moment of the arc...

now-

him actually losing the encounter could've been stressed more but in this arc- what comes close to it?

I don't know how you could hate... :nah
"when my character gets bashed, it's hate. But when I bash other characters, it's actually justified"
of course.....the reasoning is also biased. That explained much about your post here
 

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"when my character gets bashed, it's hate."
"my character" :4head:4head:4head "my character"

I've hated on sanji for most of this arc.. :4head

So me complimenting him for doing "good" is me being unbiased... :4head

"my character" :4head:4head:4head "my character"
 

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It would mirror what Sanji said to Momo when he said his name to Kaido.
Now its Sanji's turn.
yea but that's Kozuki Momonosuke, a well respected family name and Momo is proud about it... Vinsmokes are hated, so if Sanji embraces them after shitting on them for so long... it wouldn't be dope but i've been surprised previously... so perhaps
 

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Yeah, Mom's statement of his name is an entirely different scenario.

Kaido thinks Momo is an insult to Oden's legacy due to his cowardice and was trying to goad Momo into basically proving his point by denying his heritage to save his life.

Momo showed his courage and pride and spoke his name.

Sanji, on the flip side, hates everything linked to his father and brothers. He's never going to be proud of his heritage like Momo. He's fine with using the RS to hide his identity or become invisible when necessary, but he's made it clear he doesn't want to rely on it for fights.
 

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@Grandmaster Woro

Wow, have you been holding a grudge over that comment this whole time? :gwah
 

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I think Reiju will lead the Vinsmokes in a way that'll make Sanji proud enough to finally acknowledge himself as a Vinsmoke.

But I also wanna see him fight his dad and brothers.
 

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It's certainly going to be interesting to see how the Vinsmoke are brought back in. Aside from Reiju, they are particularly terrible and I'm curious how Oda plans to reconcile that. Especially when they are surely going to come back as allies in the final confrontation.
 

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Reiju is the key, and she'll probably change her brothers and dad as well. Other than Sanji, she seems to be the only Vinsmoke to retain humanity. Wonder if Judge will have to die though, first.
 

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its kinda ironic, Sanji changed Judge and now Sanji is changing... wonder if the rest of the vinsmokes are also changing
 

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I don't like the fact that Sanji broke the Germa suit because a woman was hurt... that long-neck split-tongue Kaido's subordinate just cost him the free pass to women bath houses! [SFMBE]
 

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I liked RS too it grew on me.

I hope Sanji's suit is fixed by Franky and Usopp outside of what it represents to Sanji RS is a valuable weapon/tool.

With his vinsmoke genes activated + haki + RS Sanji has top tier EOS potential.
 

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If Sanji did hit a woman, he would choose to die. It sounds extreme, and it is extreme, but it is SO important to everyone in this story to stay true to yourself. Resolve is everything. Willpower -- conviction -- Haki -- is literally your source of power. A character's resolve and sense of self is just as important as their dream. Luffy has his dream, to be the Pirate King, but he also has the resolve to say it to a Yonko. He's always had that resolve. He'll say it to Shanks, he'll say it to Zoro, he'll say it to Garp, he'll say it to Kaido -- it doesn't matter to him. He doesn't care what the obstacle is. He will not give up Zoro has his dream, to become the strongest swordsman, and it's backed up by his own resolve. He swore to never lose again and he means it -- not only would he rather die than surrender, but he would rather die than lose a fight. That resolve is everything. That force of will is what will make or break his dream. Sanji has his dream, to find the all blue and be a great chef. But that doesn't define him as much as Luffy or Zoro's goals. What DOES define him is his resolve to be the model person; to keep his humanity; to never hit a woman. If his resolve was weak, he would be weak. Haki IS willpower. Sanji will remain true to himself, or he will die. That is his resolve. (or he will lose his resolve and become unfit to travel with the straw hat pirates.
When i see people saying that sanji doesnt have will power it bothers me alot. When we see his "fights" against black maria and kalifa it confirms what you said, that sanji would rather die than betray his convictions and this is why i think that sanji will unlock conqueror haki at least by the end of the serie.... He is one of the character with the strongest willpower......
 
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