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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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Who do you think is Sanji's next opponent? Is he ready to face an admiral?
He's currently weaker than an admiral currently but he may fight and beat one now. They constantly get stronger between main fights and overcome stronger foes on a basis.
 

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Who do you think is Sanji's next opponent? Is he ready to face an admiral?
Hmm, I'm not sure if he's ready for a full one-on-one just yet. I'd say he can give them a good skirmish for a while going by what we've seen. The upper limits of a newfound "birthright" and Ifrit Jambe aren't exactly clear yet. Then again, I'm one of those who believes that the Admirals are comparable to the Yonkou and I don't see Sanji on that level right now.

I can't really say who his next opponent will be. I assume they'll confront Shanks' crew in the next arc (or so), but there really is no telling. Though, I will say, if they go against Shanks' crew, I hope Mihawk is allied with them so Zoro can fight him and Sanji can fight Ben Beckman.
 

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He's currently weaker than an admiral currently but he may fight and beat one now. They constantly get stronger between main fights and overcome stronger foes on a basis.
If there's anything that Wano showed us, it's that characters are as strong as they need to be, when they need to be.

Hmm, I'm not sure if he's ready for a full one-on-one just yet. I'd say he can give them a good skirmish for a while going by what we've seen. The upper limits of a newfound "birthright" and Ifrit Jambe aren't exactly clear yet. Then again, I'm one of those who believes that the Admirals are comparable to the Yonkou and I don't see Sanji on that level right now.

I can't really say who his next opponent will be. I assume they'll confront Shanks' crew in the next arc (or so), but there really is no telling. Though, I will say, if they go against Shanks' crew, I hope Mihawk is allied with them so Zoro can fight him and Sanji can fight Ben Beckman.
One interesting point is that a lot of the SHP goals seem aligned. Nami creating a world map (since Laugh's Tale is the last island, and a requirement for her goal), Robin knowing the history on the Rio Poneglyph, Luffy wanting to become PK and find OP, Franky wanting a ship to sail around the world, and Brooke wanting to see Laboon again, and Sanji finding All-Blue all seem very close to Luffy's goal of becoming PK and finding OP. I suspect we will see some dreams accomplished before Luffy's. Zoro's is definitely a candidate, since from the start Luffy has said the PK should have the WSS as a companion. So I could definitely see Zoro defeating Hawkeye relatively soonish. The timing is a bit sensitive though, since he (likely) still needs to fight Shiryu in a setting that we can believe will be challenging for him. So part of me wants to see Zoro defeat Hawkeye before the SHP defeat the Blackbeard Pirates, but I could see it going either way.

Re: Sanji fight - I kinda assumed that we'd see a non-traditional set up with the Red Hair Pirates.

I actually could see the following Line Up -
  • Luffy vs. Beckman
  • Zoro vs. Shanks
  • Sanji vs. Lucky Rouxe
I know that sounds weird, but I could imagine a scenario where this is something of a friendly battle between crews, and Zoro may find out that Shanks spars with Mihawk and want to test his strength against a Yonko before going for the WSS.

Lucky Rouxe, IIRC, was known for his speed. Sanji being the fast member of the SHP could potentially find a good match here.

Beckman was a threat to Kizaru and I get the vibe that he's very close to a Yonko in strength based on his standing in the crew (seems like he may have a different relationship to his captain than other Yonko Commanders).

I also just don't see Luffy fighting a swordsman (Shanks).

Who do you think is Sanji's next opponent? Is he ready to face an admiral?
I think he's ready to face an admiral, but it'll be hard to know who he faces next with literally zero information around what the next arc will be. For the past decade we've had a rough idea.. Punk Hazard -> Dressrosa -> WCI -> Wano -> Onigashima..

Now it's just as likely to be Elbaf as a random unknown Island as Marineford. We literally have no idea.
 

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Re: Sanji fight - I kinda assumed that we'd see a non-traditional set up with the Red Hair Pirates.

I actually could see the following Line Up -
  • Luffy vs. Beckman
  • Zoro vs. Shanks
  • Sanji vs. Lucky Rouxe
I know that sounds weird, but I could imagine a scenario where this is something of a friendly battle between crews, and Zoro may find out that Shanks spars with Mihawk and want to test his strength against a Yonko before going for the WSS.

Lucky Rouxe, IIRC, was known for his speed. Sanji being the fast member of the SHP could potentially find a good match here.

Beckman was a threat to Kizaru and I get the vibe that he's very close to a Yonko in strength based on his standing in the crew (seems like he may have a different relationship to his captain than other Yonko Commanders).

I also just don't see Luffy fighting a swordsman (Shanks).
The aspect of it being a friendly battle? Yeah, I definitely see that being the case, but I certainly don't agree with Luffy not fighting Shanks. Luffy has to keep his promise to show that he's better than Shanks as well as his declaration that he's going to be the one to take all of the Yonkou down.

This past chapter reinforced Luffy's capabilities to use haki to keep himself from touching dangerous elements that his opponent may present, so I think that's going to come into play with Shanks and his sword, so I'm not too worried about the whole swordsman angle in that respect. Luffy will be fine.

It's either Roux or Beckman for Sanji, but I'm rooting for the latter. Plus, it'd just be more convenient if MIhawk is with Shanks' crew and he doesn't just pop out of nowhere when the fight with the WG eventually fully kicks off.
 

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Will sanji surpass jinbe in the next arc or jinbe will still be stronger when one piece ends?
 

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I think that Jinbei and Sanji are roughly equals right now, but Oda insisted that Zoro & Sanji are the wings of Luffy so I don't understand all this fuss about bounties.
Jinbei will eventually be 4th or even 5th if Yamato joins.
Jinbei will be Luffy's tail or something I guess
 

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bounty said otherwise
If we go by bounty he was never 3rd then…..Robins was higher than him Pre timeskip. Bounty is not how people came to the conclusion Sanji was 3rd , it was who he was fighting that told us that.
 

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He's trolling.

But what indicates or hints at who's stronger? I can't remember any instance that makes it clear which of the two is stronger.
 

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He's trolling.

But what indicates or hints at who's stronger? I can't remember any instance that makes it clear which of the two is stronger.
I guess because the author decided Jinbe would fight a Tobiroppo, that should indicate what he thinks the Straw Hats ranking is...
 

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But what indicates or hints at who's stronger? I can't remember any instance that makes it clear which of the two is stronger.
Admittedly, Jinbe has been given more shine during his moments, so that also likely plays a role in how people see the 2. Especially since Sanji has largely been seen as a joke since Fishman Island and his moments of hype are generally small or just a bit of lip service.

At the end of the day though, as @Fox666 pointed out, Oda has kept the pattern of Sanji fighting the 3rd Strongest antagonist of a major arc. A member who is oftentimes portrayed as levels above the rest of the group along with the 2nd Strongest, so, narratively, it seems that Oda is keeping the Strawhats strength hierarchy the same.
 

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Honestly though, I still don't think that indicates Sanji is stronger, just that he's higher ranked in Oda's eyes, especially since he's been with the Straw Hats for the fourth longest amount of time (or third, if we don't count Luffy). I'm not debating who's stronger because I don't really know nor care, just that I think it's weird to use enemies as indicator of who's stronger.
 

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Honestly though, I still don't think that indicates Sanji is stronger, just that he's higher ranked in Oda's eyes, especially since he's been with the Straw Hats for the fourth longest amount of time (or third, if we don't count Luffy). I'm not debating who's stronger because I don't really know nor care, just that I think it's weird to use enemies as indicator of who's stronger.
I mean isn’t that how People identified Luffy as the strongest, Zoro as the 2nd and Sanji as the 3rd?


D: If Zoro and Sanji had a serious fight, who would win? Zoro beat Mr.1 , so... he's stronger, right...?

O:
Whoa! That was surprising... I thought you said "If Zoro and Sanji had a dick fight"...You have to be careful what you say. Someone might hear something totally wrong... Okay, see you next time!!

(serious = gachinko; dick = ga chinko)
 

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I mean isn’t that how People identified Luffy as the strongest, Zoro as the 2nd and Sanji as the 3rd?


D: If Zoro and Sanji had a serious fight, who would win? Zoro beat Mr.1 , so... he's stronger, right...?

O:
Whoa! That was surprising... I thought you said "If Zoro and Sanji had a dick fight"...You have to be careful what you say. Someone might hear something totally wrong... Okay, see you next time!!

(serious = gachinko; dick = ga chinko)
 

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Honestly though, I still don't think that indicates Sanji is stronger, just that he's higher ranked in Oda's eyes, especially since he's been with the Straw Hats for the fourth longest amount of time (or third, if we don't count Luffy). I'm not debating who's stronger because I don't really know nor care, just that I think it's weird to use enemies as indicator of who's stronger.
It's been the pattern for their scaling thus far. I personally don't see it changing now.
 
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