Discussion Straw Hat's Crew Strength (Ranking)

[Raysen_ht]

Re: Rank the Strawhats!

When he was fighting Moria...
here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/482/13/
Notice the comment frank makes... and u can clearly see he is making the bone baloon... the page before he was activating gear second

 

[monkey D luffy]

Re: Rank the Strawhats!

Yeah Sanji couldnt get out of her grasp.
The Zoro Zombie on TB even had problems with it and he is absolutely stronger than Zoro.

how did you get to this conclusion? because brooke's zombie was stronger?
brooke's zombie had better sword and body.
zoro was stronger then his zombie for sure since he has better swords and tougher body, yeah he cant get up from everything but we so that the zombies cant either. when oz bashed the zombies that where under him they pretty much die they were annihilated


my ranking:

1. luffy
2. zoro
3. (not far behind) sanji
all the others are quite tied since all became strong as hell (brooke with his new attack, franky with his brute force, nami can control weather as if she had an abillity, chopper with the points, robin using her brains and abillity)

 

[paradoxe]

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I didn't even see your rankings, I was referring to Superman's which I indeed saw and didn't like. And wait, why are you talking like I was the one saying Robin was stronger? I was on your side all along.

Also, for your last point.. I know and agree and that's why I said like I said on the page before this one:

Sorry quoted the wrong person :P

Should fix it now.

Thus, I think that Robin is capable of greater feats of physical strength than Sanji, but she would never be able to successfully use them in combat situations .

Haha thats reasonable enough.

Still you aren't taking into account Sanji's spcial moves like Diable Jambe or his agility (like I said before). And Sanji has far greater potential for growth then Robin. In fact, most of the Strawhats (barring none probably) have far greater potential for growth when compared iwth Robin.

 

[Tsukisama]

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Haha thats reasonable enough.

Still you aren't taking into account Sanji's spcial moves like Diable Jambe or his agility (like I said before). And Sanji has far greater potential for growth then Robin. In fact, most of the Strawhats (barring none probably) have far greater potential for growth when compared iwth Robin.

I would agree on the growth. Robin does not seem like she is likely to grow much in the terms of her fighting capacities. She has never shown much desire to increase her strength. (In fact I can't recall her ever displaying any.) Of the Strawhats, she is probably the most static character.

Even so, I don't think that Sanji will ever reach a level of physical strength that would be greater than what Robin could accomplish. With enough arms, for example, she could probably lift a ship; it's really just simple physics, as it would spread the amount of the counteractive force due to the ship's weight over the many arms, reducing the amount of work each arm would have to perform. Sanji, although I expect him to grow more powerful, I don't expect him to ever reach the point where he could lift an entire ship. (Oda may surprise me with his development by the end of the series, but for right now, I am very dubious.)

This level of strength, however, like I said earlier, would not be very applicable to Robin in a combat situation, because someone could attack her limbs and she just lacks the physical fortitude to withstand serious injuries. Thus, Sanji will likely always remain tougher than Robin, while Robin will remain physically capable of doing more than Sanji.

If Robin actually did decide to train and become physically stronger, then her bloomed limbs would likely become stronger too, allowing for her to do more, but again she is not likely to train to become any stronger than she is. Her role on the ship has never been that of a fighter (she does fight occasionally but usually not as a the main opponent or against someone significant), and she will likely remain maintain her primary function of offering the Strawhat crew assistance in a passive (outside of combat) capacity.

 

[Mr.Popo]

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I think you overestimate Robin a bit. She is strong, but also weak.

She can grow many arms (or whatever) to greatly increase her strength, so it might be possible that she could lift a ship, but that doesn't mean she could hit an enemy with a strong impact. She also has to endure the aftermath of the impact and that would be a big problem for her. And you already talked about the feedback to her physical limbs.

Another thing is her stamina. She can grow many arms to imitate wings, but she could only fly for five(?) seconds!

To sum it up: she isn't the fighter type and there is no need for it.

That said here is my ranking:
I put them into groups, because there are too many aspects in a fight and in the end it depends on the circumstances.

1) Luffy, Zorro, Sanji
The "Monster Trio", there should be no doubt.
Luffy and Zorro are slightly stronger than Sanji who seems to be the only pure close combat fighter now (+ Chopper).

2) Nami, Franky, Chopper, Ussup, Robin
Nami displayed strong fighting capabilities lately with her new weapon.
Ussop is one of the best long range fighters in OP-World, but showed short- and mid-range combat abilities on Water 7 and Thriller Bark.

3) Brooks
Brooks is still a bit unknown to me, so the third group.

It comes down to basically two groups. The rank inside each group highly depends on the circumstances they are more or less equal among each others.

 

[BlackHair]

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2) Nami
3) Ussop

I don't get why so many ppl are underestimating Ussope. True he is a dumbass, weakling and his fighting style is shit like. But to put him under Nami.. I don't think he would lose to her in a fair fight, where both of them would fight on a neutral field without any advantages for each of them.

Namis attacks prop do more damage then Ussopes, but she needs a lot of time to prepare for of it. Since Ussope made the weapon and he also saw how Nami fights with it, he could estimate what kind of attack she will use and how long it will take to be charged. Even if Nami manage to fool him with her knowledge about the nature, Ussope could easily hit her, since he is lot faster with his attacks and he also has bigger range.

Furthermore Nami is a navigator and Ussope a sniper. His work is directly linked to fighting, while hers not. Ussope can handle also more damage. I rly dont see how he could loss to her..

Its the only fighting scenario which comes through my mind if I think about them fighting on circumstances, where both of them has no advantages.

btw. I read some1 saying that is is stated by Oda, that she is stronger. Couldn't find any proof for it. Should he/she reads my post here or an1 other, plz post the source of ur info.

 

[Mr.Popo]

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I don't get why so many ppl are underestimating Ussope.

You are absolutely right. I rethought about it and realized that i forgot Ussops fight against Luffy on Water 7 and against the zombies on Thriller Bark.
I edited my rank in the previous post.

True he is a dumbass, weakling and his fighting style is shit like. But to put him under Nami..

I like his fighting style.

Than i can only make two ranks and in each group they are more or less equal among each other. But they are too different to equally fight against every opponent. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Organizized]

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True, he put up a surprisingly good fight against Luffy at W7, but the reason was that he knew Luffy's capabilites already. He knew pretty much how Luffy would attack and even made preparations and plans on how to beat him. And I must also add that Luffy was hurt, but not that badly.. He got a cactus on his hand, he swallowed some tabasco sauce, he stepped on some caltrops.. Usopp got in two fatal blows, one with the gas explosion and one with the impact dial (which almost broke his own arm, but left Luffy standing). Against any other enemy of Luffy's caliber, that he didn't know in and out, he wouldn't have done nearly that good.

And I'm not dissing Usopp; he's one of my SH favs, and his fighting style sure is nice imo too. I've always been a fan of his sniping skills. And I do think he's stronger than Nami. The point I'm trying to make is just that against really strong people, he doesn't stand a single chance.

 

[Naruffy]

The whole purpose of this thread is to list The Straw Hats from weakest to strongest, In your opinion and explain why.


Revised

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Robin
6. Brook
7. Chopper
8. Nami
9. Usopp​

I do believe that I underrated Robin, but I don't think she's stronger than Brook + Chopper; Robin's clutch is strong but there is more to a fight than just her Clutch, She hasn't show any extraordinary speed, so she wouldn't easily be able to beat Brook.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

1. Zoro (yeah hit me with a rock but after that kumaincident i believe he is now the strongest)
2. Luffy
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Chopper
6. Usopp
7. Brook
8. Robin
9. Nami

 

[chess4]

1. Zoro (yeah hit me with a rock but after that kumaincident i believe he is now the strongest)
2. Luffy
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Chopper
6. Usopp
7. Brook
8. Robin
9. Nami

i agree with this list for the most part except for zoro being stronger than luffy. usopp strength cant be measured like everyone else, since he is a sniper. if usopp could fight like he did against luffy all the time, he could jump up to number 4.

as a mater of fact if u look at the the red hairs top 4 members, they are just an older version of the hats.

crazy strong captain, cool as ice vice captain, 2nd mate with oral fixation, and the dead eye sniper.

i think when its all said an done, usopp will be one of the top 4

 

[Danre]

In the original post, I thought you put "Garp in strength" after Sanji, and I laughed out loud.

Anyway, I agree with the revised rankings from the original poster, although I think the gap between Zoro and Sanji is widening here lately.

 

[bittman]

Let my post my rankings from a previous thread, and then give detailed explanations:

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Robin
6. Chopper
7. Brooke
8. Nami
9. Ussop

1) Should be self explanatory. Luffy with Gear 2 is far beyond Zoro, without gears (or even with gear 3) they are almost incomparably close. Gear 2 is still a far greater "form" than Zoro's Asura though, but without those forms it would almost be impossible to see a difference between their strength levels.

2) Zoro should also be self explanatory. Always comparable to Luffy's strength, their only comparison was back at the start of grand line when they were equal, and they're growth has almost (albeit the gears mentioned earlier) been equal.

3) Sanji rounds off the "Monster Trio". Always seen as close to Zoro and in competition, but never so much with Luffy in particular. Sanji's Diable form upgraded his power, but his speed and damage output is lower than Luffy and Zoro respectively.

4) Franky, in my opinion, is far closer to Sanji than many actually see. Sure he's taken a beating from Pacifistas, Oars and what not, but we're talking about a man made of metal with, quite possibly, one of the strongest attacks of the SH crew in his Coup de Vent. I don't see an enormous gap between Franky and Sanji, I couldn't honestly pick a winner, but since Sanji has a bigger fanbase than Franky I'm sure you could all tell me who the winner would be.

5) Robin is, by all of you, underrated. You all say "oh man she can't topple castles or outrun a speeding bullet", and this is all true, but her ability is still broken. To date, the only time I've seen her struggle is really against Moria, whose abilities allowed him to outmanouvre her clutch. If she was fighting Zoro, she could grab his arms and pin him down. If it was Sanji, pin his legs. If it was Franky, squash his balls. If it was Luffy...well she'd probably just stretch him a little. And then I see stuff like "Well someone strong could stop her from doing stuff" and all I really should have to do is point to how many arms she made to hold Moria (a "giant" human...thing...) in place. If it was also simply a battle of strength, you're basically saying everyone she's defeated (Pell, fat Skypeia guy, etc) are comparable to Ussop in strength or something ludicrous.

6) Chopper has always been the middle of the gang, and he will stay here. I remain unimpressed by Monster Point given the obvious lack of control and any discernable traits other than "growing huge", in which case he's basically a Gear 3 Chopper without a brain. That said, his other points are still very useful, and his damage on Oars with Arm Point was insane. Multi-talented, but still has a lot of room to grow.

7) Brooke is overrated by everyone on the other hand because he has a sword I imagine. Apparantly swords = better than people without swords except Luffy? Brooke is fast, sure. He has some good technical skill, sure. However, we've been shown that his stamina is low (running on water tires him out fast), he is super fragile (all damage breaks his bones, he has no "cushioning") and his damage output is not remarkable in any way. When you throw in his music he appears to have more combat ability, but everyone I've ranked above him should be able to pick him apart quite easily.

8) Nami is above Ussop, but some are blinded by the fact that Ussop finally won a battle in the Thriller Park arc. Nami has three elements which allow illusions, AoE damage, control over local weather, targetted damage and defensive measures. Nami was also, by Oda, ranked as one of the smartest people in the East Blue, and is still one of the smartest in the Strawhats (behind Robin nowdays though). She's still pretty much a "normal" human, yet has managed to take out some, typically, strong enemies since the introduction of her Climatact. Of course, she's only female, and japanese Shonen ranks females as about 10x weaker than males for some reason.

9) But then we have Ussop. He is unremarkable in every way except that he has a fair amount of sniping skill, comes up with some nice inventions, and is an incurable liar. He is the most basic "normal human" in existence. When he gets hit, bones break like they should. When he runs, he doesn't disappear faster than eyes can follow. When pitted against his own crew, Ussop might be remarkable in exploiting their weaknesses. However, Ussop still remains the SH with the lowest damage output and least amount of "wins" uner his belt. I can see he has grown since Enies Lobby, but only to somewhat catch the lower tier Strawhat's who he had, very quickly, been falling behind. Oda will never make anyone in the crew weaker than Ussop, it's what makes his character.

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Ok that was a long bit of typing, just thought I'd get it out there. Too much overrating Monster Trio and other favourite characters out there.

 

[THM Nindo]

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Chopper
6. Robin
7. Brooke
8. Nami
9. Usopp

Brooke and Robin really are interchangeable for the 6th position...
It's hard to tell right now, because we didn't see enough fight involving Brooke.

1. Luffy
Basically, he always has been the strongest since the beginning.
If he fight opponent that are faster than him, he can rely on Gear2, if he fight people that requires a really hard punch, he can rely on Gear3.
+ as soon as he develop his Haki, he will be able to hit the Logia guys

2. Zoro
No question about it. Zoro has always been the strongest of the group, sometime even on par with Luffy.
I think he's probably the only one that could stand a chance against Luffy.

3. Sanji
Sanji is good and he's strong, but even though his kicks are hard, they will never hit as hard as Zoro's blade, IMO.

4. Franky
Franky has a nice arsenal of attacks and except from his back, he can possibly take a lot of damage before getting broken.
Only thing against him, if there's no more cola, he can't even fire one bullet, and became totally useless.

5. Chopper
Chopper is the wild card of the crew.
With his rumble ball, he has a lot of different forms, and he can do various attack, his capacity of finding weak points can also be very useful.
Once he gets to control the Monster form, he will easily be one of the strongest of the group (above Franky for sure, possibly above Sanji too).

6. Robin
Robin devil fruit is everything for her.
Apart from her power, she is totally useless. She has no combat skills and she's neither fast, neither strong, neither endurant.
And her hold can be break by strenght only.

PS: People might say that Robin could possibly win against people above her, but just think if it was a really fight. Chopper would change mode and would outstrenght her, same thing goes for Franky and Sanji, not even talking about Zoro and Luffy.

7. Brooke
I think he's a great swordman, and he's really fast.
He didn't have the chance to show much of his skill yet (until we see a 1 vs 1, we can't really judge his skills), but I think he's better than we think.
His swordskill are lower than Zoro for sure, but I think he's good enough.
And we can't forget that he can put people to sleep with his songs (and possibly can put them in other states with different songs).
Only bad thing : I don't think he has much endurance, since a good punch might just break him.

8. Nami
Like Robin she can only rely on one thing : her climatact.
This tool is good, and useful, but that's not enough in this world of pirates, where everyone is damn strong.

9. Usopp
Usopp is the weakest... He's a good sniper, but his bullet will never kill anyone.
When he fight serioulsy (like when he did against Luffy), he can be somewhat good, but regardless, he's the weakest.
Even Oda confirmed that he was and would remain the weakest of the crew until the end, so I think it's pretty much confirmed...

It's sad a bit, because he went on his adventure to become a brave warrior...
He might end up being brave... but he will remain weak...

 

[kkck]

I would never put brook below ussop. He is fast and light enough to run on water, he would basically appear before ussop before he can even react. odds are for brook it is actually easy to avoid ussops star thingis.

1.- Luffy
2.-Zoro
3.-Sanji
4.-Franky
5.-brook
6.-Chopper
7.-Robin
8.-Ussop
9.-Nami

 

[bittman]

6. Robin
Robin devil fruit is everything for her.
Apart from her power, she is totally useless. She has no combat skills and she's neither fast, neither strong, neither endurant.
And her hold can be break by strenght only.

PS: People might say that Robin could possibly win against people above her, but just think if it was a really fight. Chopper would change mode and would outstrenght her, same thing goes for Franky and Sanji, not even talking about Zoro and Luffy.

The obvious main difference between my rankings and everyone elses is always Robin.

Perhaps I'm forgetting an example, but if you can find any example where she was unable to pin/clutch/hold/etc because they broke her grip, please show me it. As far as I remember, I've never seen anyone break her holds. People that have bested Robin have, instead of defending against the clutch, attacked in a "offense is the best form of defence" strategy since her offence and defence are really the same thing.

But yeah, an example if someone has it. My memory has been wrong before, One Piece is too long to remember every battle.

 

[Naruffy]

7) Brooke is overrated by everyone on the other hand because he has a sword I imagine. Apparantly swords = better than people without swords except Luffy? Brooke is fast, sure. He has some good technical skill, sure. However, we've been shown that his stamina is low (running on water tires him out fast), he is super fragile (all damage breaks his bones, he has no "cushioning") and his damage output is not remarkable in any way. When you throw in his music he appears to have more combat ability, but everyone I've ranked above him should be able to pick him apart quite easily.

I disagree that Brooke's damage output isn't remarkable.

Brook Skill as a Swordsman

Speed and Above Average swordsmanship

 

[kkck]

Personally I think brook is meant to be a fighting member of the crew rather than anything else. He won't match up to the monster trio but he would surely be comparable to franky. His flexibility, speed and music make him a remarkable fighter IMHO.

Also, seeing the fight of ryuma vs zoro, is it evident brook's technique is the real deal and comparable to that of zoro. Zoro is superior to brook not because his actual sword skills are superior but because he is faster and stronger.

 

[Smackin]

I believe the rankings fluctuate, depending on the situation.

Vs a load(100000+) of noobs:

1.Luffy/Zoro(mega AoE/multi-target ownage easily)
3.Ussop(the guy is on par on fodder ownage with the above)
4.Franky(lower than Ussop cuz he ain't the main ranged fighter)
5.Nami(powerful but requires setup)
6.Sanji(Not enough AoE, but still good)
7.Brook(some AoE but ain't as big as the above)
8.Robin(limited speed in ownage)
9.Chopper(he got no AoE except for monster, and that is double edged)

Vs megasauce opponents(gg individuals like VC or higher):

1.Luffy/Zoro(do u really need explanations?)
3.Sanji(read above)
4.Chopper(he's built for 1v1)
5.Nami(dude she's got almost Enel power with the lightning, plus illusions, and she's got the brains to fool u into her setup)
6.Franky(he can't top lightning)
7.Brook(fencing style sword, suited for 1v1)
8.Robin(technically speaking, she can hold u and then just stab u, but that's technically speaking. Obviously gonna need hacki-imbued grabs n stabs on logias)
9.Ussop(dude his attacks ain't gonna work on anyone VC or higher, but that's just based on his current power. Later on he's gonna be top tier)

Within the crew:

99% of the time:
1.Nami/Robin
3.The rest

Ladies own the crew normally, that's just how it works.

1% of the time:
1.Luffy/Zoro(when **** hits the fan, these are the homeboys to rely on)
3.The rest

Why do u think they're the captain/first-mate?


Luffy wants to become PK. He knows he's gonna have to whoop alot of a** on the way. Zoro wants to become the #1 swordsman. He knows he's gonna have to cut up alot of a** on the way. Ussop wants to become a brave warrior of the sea. He knows he's gonna have to shoot down alot of a** on the way.

Sanji just wants to make godly food. Nami just wants to draw her own world map. Chopper just wants to cure people. Robin just wants to study history. Franky just wants to see his ship sail the seas. Brook just wants to play some music and see Laboon again.

Not much point in ranking anyone besides Luffy, Zoro and Ussop, as they're the only ones in the crew whose MAIN roles are to FIGHT. Of course, everyone else will whoop their own portion of a** when the situation calls for it.

Here, strength=/=muscular pwnage. No point in comparing a swordsman with a cook cuz one cuts ppl 8 hours a day and one cooks 8 hours a day. The same applies to the rest of the crew.

Just my $0.02

 

[The Closet Pervert]

1. Luffy

Captain of the crew, future pirate king. Luffy is the strongest. If not, plot will make him when the situation needs it.

2. Zoro

Basically the 1st mate of the crew, Zoro seems to very rarely lack strength. Rank 2 because of feats like seen at the end of Moria/Spooky Ship -arc.

3. Sanji

Sanji seems to be very strong, but also lacks the heroic feats of Luffy and Zoro. This makes Sanji seem weak in comparison, and ranks "only" as third.

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This is pretty much what everyone agrees on. Now let's see if I'm any different..
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4. Franky

Franky has a large variety of attacks and at least 1-2 very powerful attacks. If only we had seen Franky more in battle, I could say better, but I think Franky is only slightly after Sanji.

5. Robin

The hands of hers are universally useful and when used right, very powerful. Robin also has guts, and that's why she's #5.

6. Brooke

Not because he is strong, I do not know if Brooke is strong. I haven't really seen him do anything with really strong foes. I'm putting Brooke here simply because people after this are weaker than him.

7. Nami

Only one of the remaining 3 that actually has proper attacks. Only if she used that weather rod of hers more. Sometimes plot will force her as "damsel in distress", downranking her to 9 for plot reasons.

8. Chopper

Chopper doesn't have any real attacks. Monster form doesn't count, it's not something he can use in battle. Muscle form for beating fodder, and that's it for Chopper.

9. Usopp

Is he low on ammo or why doesn't he ever shoot anything? Is he simply a coward or what? Oh well, least useful member, the scarycat Usopp. Usopp has the potential to be #7, maybe even #6 if he just tried harder.