Sorry for the late response. I didn't have time so I left old threads unread.
Did Misaki say that? Well I wouldn't believe it if she said it. However I will believe the portrayal that Misaki and kirin were compared
Misaki above suzaku? Simple
Kirin is said to of the strongest. Only person compared with him is Misaki. From there mp being compared to Gildarts to Misaki statements of putting erza on the same level as Kirin when she released her strongest attack
Gap between kirin and the rest isn't big. Which is why he was said to be one of the strongest. Not the strongest. Midnight or Minerva are good example of being the strongest. The manga clearly stats they are strongest and others treated them with respect or fear. Meaning, Minerva and midnight were a teir above their teammates
Kirin hype is below that, so he might be on top of the team, but the gap isn't big.
Suzaku feats are meanwhile done in hype phase, new guy introduction, get the dump fans on the hype train
Another way you can be damn sure Misaki is above suzaku is, pattern. In fairy tail most of the time, erza foot soldier opponent is always stronger than natsu foot soldier opponent
From owl guy vs aria
To sting vs Minerva
To jackal or tempster vs koyoka
To gajeel vs laxus
If you are stronger, you will generally get a stronger opponent. Apparently mishma still thinks erza is stronger than natsu
Then of course natsu contractual obligations of fighting the boss
Yes, I get triggered. Laxus is one of the most wanked characters in fairy tail, while erza one of the most hated. Why do you think laxus was on this imaginary tier above erza before mishma set the fans right.
Even now, @grey matter will somehow fits jellal between erza and laxus lol
We have clear feats that laxus and erza have equal attack power and equal speed stats. Still some dump guy will come that only erza endurance made that match extreme diff along with kiria contribution lol
But yes, situation is much better now
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Maybe drawing that cut was visually cool. Maybe that is why mishma drew it like that.
Agreed. Erza was casual as well. Casual erza is someone kiria can handle.
Maybe. But you know I look for statements from manga for these kind of things. Since they aren't any so I don't like to put my own opinion because they will be subject to my bais.
And I also like make predictions from any theories made. This one will result in gmg gray > gmg gajeel. So no,
What was misaki portrayal? That she sparred with kirin? Lol she used her stongest move to sparred with Kirin again we don’t know if kirin was using his strongest move against her also sparring is a friendly match. Lucy wanted to spar with natsu it doesn’t mean Lucy is on natsu lvl lol. Gray hyping her mp up? He said that her mp was on gildartz and laxus lvl in the official translation
By that’s logic erza hype up suzaku by saying he is something else.
Acno self claim to be the strongest so by that logic u wouldn’t be him also??? just because the gap isn’t big doesn’t mean he can’t be the strongest. being stronger than some1 doesn’t have to be a huge gap bro u know this lol. No1 said that gap was big between them we just saying kirin is stronger than misaki that just u showing that ur trigger about that being true lol.
same logic with laxus he always fights stronger opponents than erza when he around (except Tartarus arc because he was POSION or if we used the anime feat he was still sick)
again no1 saying laxus is in different tier than erza since they fight bro it’s been 4 years Lol this isnt pre 2019. We just saying laxus>erza u just assuming stronger means huge gap lol
The reason Hades got back up is because of his heart constantly replenishes his MP and health. If you wanna count the heart, then it's only fair we count Tenro Tree doing the same as well.
The reason Hades got back up is because of his heart constantly replenishes his MP and health. If you wanna count the heart, then it's only fair we count Tenro Tree doing the same as well.
But that didn’t put him down though, and that hardly do anything because he had more power than him. But the tree was down and even without the heart he punched Natsu away after his power returned and when Hades losing his.
But that didn’t put him down though, and that hardly do anything because he had more power than him. But the tree was down and even without the heart he punched Natsu away after his power returned and when Hades losing his.
Hades would have been defeated if not for the devil's heart.
Natsu's power didnt return yet. It was only after everyone's guildmarks started glowing did their MP get replenished. That happened after Laxus got back up to punch Hades.
Hades would have been defeated if not for the devil's heart.
Natsu's power didnt return yet. It was only after everyone's guildmarks started glowing did their MP get replenished. That happened after Laxus got back up to punch Hades.
If Laxus could not down him, then Natsu would not have. if his team mates had their powers returned then Natsu would have too, 4/5, it would indicate that his lit up at that moment as well, we never saw it glow up after they used their magic to attack, so it had to be at that moment too, makes no sense why it didn’t befofe.
Actually we did see Natsu’s arm glow up. In the third panel with his shoulder next to Gray’s panel, you can see his hair as well.
Hades was stronger than LFDM Natsu. If wasn't for his heart being totalled (which nerfed him) then he would have killed Team Natsu. Hades also didn't even take Natsu or the Team as seriously as he took Makarov. Hell, a spell that was a fodder version of the one he used on Makarov pretty much downed Laxus in one hit.
What was misaki portrayal? That she sparred with kirin? Lol she used her stongest move to sparred with Kirin again we don’t know if kirin was using his strongest move against her also sparring is a friendly match. Lucy wanted to spar with natsu it doesn’t mean Lucy is on natsu lvl lol. Gray hyping her mp up? He said that her mp was on gildartz and laxus lvl in the official translation
By that’s logic erza hype up suzaku by saying he is something else.
Acno self claim to be the strongest so by that logic u wouldn’t be him also??? just because the gap isn’t big doesn’t mean he can’t be the strongest. being stronger than some1 doesn’t have to be a huge gap bro u know this lol. No1 said that gap was big between them we just saying kirin is stronger than misaki that just u showing that ur trigger about that being true lol.
same logic with laxus he always fights stronger opponents than erza when he around (except Tartarus arc because he was POSION or if we used the anime feat he was still sick)
again no1 saying laxus is in different tier than erza since they fight bro it’s been 4 years Lol this isnt pre 2019. We just saying laxus>erza u just assuming stronger means huge gap lol
We know Erza is the only one that overpowered Misaki's dimension with magical power as Misaki was surprised by it.
Erza also said Kiria was formidable too lol.
Yeah and Sting is Acno level by self hype. Self hype is meaningless. Acno has hype outside of him touting his own horn. Kirin doesn't.
Only time he fought a stronger opponent than Erza was in GMG arc and that's bcs Erza nerfed herself to her Tenrou version. Outside that, he has never fought someone Erza couldn't fight herself. Like if we are bringing up one arc then you can say Erza fought the stronger opponent in Alvarez than Laxus did.
How is Laxus > Erza? They both overpowered people who shrugged off RL in a single attack. And Misaki took that RL hit better than Kirin did lol.
Hades was stronger than LFDM Natsu. If wasn't for his heart being totalled (which nerfed him) then he would have killed Team Natsu. Hades also didn't even take Natsu or the Team as seriously as he took Makarov. Hell, a spell that was a fodder version of the one he used on Makarov pretty much downed Laxus in one hit.
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We know Erza is the only one that overpowered Misaki's dimension with magical power as Misaki was surprised by it.
Erza also said Kiria was formidable too lol.
Yeah and Sting is Acno level by self hype. Self hype is meaningless. Acno has hype outside of him touting his own horn. Kirin doesn't.
Only time he fought a stronger opponent than Erza was in GMG arc and that's bcs Erza nerfed herself to her Tenrou version. Outside that, he has never fought someone Erza couldn't fight herself. Like if we are bringing up one arc then you can say Erza fought the stronger opponent in Alvarez than Laxus did.
How is Laxus > Erza? They both overpowered people who shrugged off RL in a single attack. And Misaki took that RL hit better than Kirin did lol.
Ok that cool how doesn’t that prove misaki and Kirin are equal?
exactly my point and she couldn’t as easily as laxus did the first time around.
we found He lied by saying from his mouth and his feats by losing to base natsu. Kirin has some hype from Selene and from misaki Herslef using her strongest move to spar with kirin .Self hype is only meaningless if it isn’t back up.
laxus fought hades himself and perform better than team natsu every1 was shocked how laxus was performing vs hades. Gray said before the second origin powerup that gildartz and laxus was the only strong enough at the time .
Im talking 1v1 fights laxus most of time doesn’t have a team to fight one opponent
Laxus beat all 3 members easily from diabolos while erza and team natsu couldn’t do the same.
Lucy and gray hype him again and felt calm when laxus came to help.
it was said the lacrima was nerfing his true power throughout the whole entire series.
erza “tied”with RL laxus now laxus has a new power up which means he is currently stronger.
I ahve said this many times same tier =\= same lvl of strength
If Laxus could not down him, then Natsu would not have. if his team mates had their powers returned then Natsu would have too, 4/5, it would indicate that his lit up at that moment as well, we never saw it glow up after they used their magic to attack, so it had to be at that moment too, makes no sense why it didn’t befofe.
Actually we did see Natsu’s arm glow up. In the third panel with his shoulder next to Gray’s panel, you can see his hair as well.
Hades was stronger than LFDM Natsu. If wasn't for his heart being totalled (which nerfed him) then he would have killed Team Natsu. Hades also didn't even take Natsu or the Team as seriously as he took Makarov. Hell, a spell that was a fodder version of the one he used on Makarov pretty much downed Laxus in one hit.
You have it backwards. LFD Natsu is stronger than Hades. Everytime Natsu used LFD, he was beating up Hades.
The only way Hades was winning is if he had his heart and the Tenro Tree was down. If both arent factors, Hades just straight up never gets up from LFD roar. If both the Tenrou Tree and Devil's Heart are active, then LFD Natsu would just beat up Hades over and over again.
Laxus tanked that spell with no magic power, and still got back up later to punch Hades. Mind you, he didnt recover his MP when the tree was restored. He had no guild mark. He was just that durable.
We know Erza is the only one that overpowered Misaki's dimension with magical power as Misaki was surprised by it.
We know Erza is the only one that overpowered Misaki's dimension with magical power as Misaki was surprised by it.
Erza also said Kiria was formidable too lol.
Yeah and Sting is Acno level by self hype. Self hype is meaningless. Acno has hype outside of him touting his own horn. Kirin doesn't.
Only time he fought a stronger opponent than Erza was in GMG arc and that's bcs Erza nerfed herself to her Tenrou version. Outside that, he has never fought someone Erza couldn't fight herself. Like if we are bringing up one arc then you can say Erza fought the stronger opponent in Alvarez than Laxus did.
How is Laxus > Erza? They both overpowered people who shrugged off RL in a single attack. And Misaki took that RL hit better than Kirin did lol.
Correct. Erza is the only character who can move in Misaki's blue dimension, and overwrite her magic. Kirin was still stronger, meaning Kirin probably just straight up tanked everything Misaki threw at him.
You're right. Self hype is meaningless. Kirin has the hype of Selene saying he's the strongest. Misaki's hype is just a piggyback off of Kirin's hype.
We can say Laxus >= Erza because of how their fight went down. He stood longer and recovered faster. Also LDK is a new powerup, and beating Kirin is > beating Misaki.
This whole who fights the stronger opponent every arc is silly. The person that fought all strongest opponents in the last arc was Suzaku. Not Erza. Not Laxus. Not even Natsu. Suzaku.
Laxus probably could have beaten Hades by himself too. Or at the very least, do as well as LFD Natsu.
The point is that Natsu landed several shots on Hades without any MP. Hades landed one hit on him. Then Natsu used LFD again, and defeated Hades.
You have it backwards. LFD Natsu is stronger than Hades. Everytime Natsu used LFD, he was beating up Hades.
The only way Hades was winning is if he had his heart and the Tenro Tree was down. If both arent factors, Hades just straight up never gets up from LFD roar. If both the Tenrou Tree and Devil's Heart are active, then LFD Natsu would just beat up Hades over and over again.
Laxus tanked that spell with no magic power, and still got back up later to punch Hades. Mind you, he didnt recover his MP when the tree was restored. He had no guild mark. He was just that durable.
Correct. Erza is the only character who can move in Misaki's blue dimension, and overwrite her magic. Kirin was still stronger, meaning Kirin probably just straight up tanked everything Misaki threw at him.
You're right. Self hype is meaningless. Kirin has the hype of Selene saying he's the strongest. Misaki's hype is just a piggyback off of Kirin's hype. If go purely by feats, Suzaku makes the rest of Diabolos look like chumps.
We can say Laxus >= Erza because of how their fight went down. He stood longer and recovered faster. Also LDK is a new powerup, and beating Kirin is > beating Misaki.
This whole who fights the stronger opponent every arc is silly. The person that fought all strongest opponents in the last arc was Suzaku.
Natsu only landed those blows when Hades was losing power, not at his peak, and then Natsu regained his power during that time and then Hades landed that hit on Natsu when his MP was restored and he lost his power. again, not at his peak. Then there was Alvarez where weakened Laxus managed to defeat Hades Historia too.
Ok that cool how doesn’t that prove misaki and Kirin are equal?
exactly my point and she couldn’t as easily as laxus did the first time around.
we found He lied by saying from his mouth and his feats by losing to base natsu. Kirin has some hype from Selene and from misaki Herslef using her strongest move to spar with kirin .Self hype is only meaningless if it isn’t back up.
laxus fought hades himself and perform better than team natsu every1 was shocked how laxus was performing vs hades. Gray said before the second origin powerup that gildartz and laxus was the only strong enough at the time .
Im talking 1v1 fights laxus most of time doesn’t have a team to fight one opponent
Laxus beat all 3 members easily from diabolos while erza and team natsu couldn’t do the same.
Lucy and gray hype him again and felt calm when laxus came to help.
it was said the lacrima was nerfing his true power throughout the whole entire series.
erza “tied”with RL laxus now laxus has a new power up which means he is currently stronger.
I ahve said this many times same tier =\= same lvl of strength
No, but it proves Erza is better than Kirin since she could straight up overpower Blue Dimension.
Easily? Laxus only easily beat Kiria bcs he was protected by the WW. He got beat by her when he wasn't in the same fashion Erza did.
And we found that Kirin is arrogant as hell and can't even take a L humbly. So why would he not be arrogant about his prowess? Selene only said they were "one of", she didn't say they were and it's not like we don't know who's the strongest person human there (hint: It's not Kirin). His self-hype was never backed up tho.
Erza fought Hades while being on the brink of passing out after tanking the entire island's magic along with everyone in the guild's magic. You act like she came in the fight fresh like Laxus. He also got pretty much foddered and had to leave the rest to Natsu. Gray said what? Scans bcs I'm pretty sure he has never said anything about Laxus being the only one besides Gild to be capable of taking on Hades.
Not like Erza opponents don't fight using other people to back them up either lol.
Any BDSK can do the same and Natsu stalemated his and Erza bested hers. So it's not that impressive beating opponents far inferior to them. Natsu and Erza also didn't need a power up to fight their BDSK either.
Ofc they would be since it's another powerful memver of FT coming to help lol.
It was metephorical. Laxus' base lightning is already confirmed weaker than both his DS lightning and his Red Lightning which are byproducts of his lacrima. After he took out his lacrima, he did not best Kirin instead he needed to get back his DS magic back along with a new mode to be stronger than his previous self. So no, Laxus was never nerfed prior to that.
Erza tied using Blumen Blatt. Blumen Blatt was shrugged off by a BDSK in a similar manner to Kirin shrugging off Raiko. Ergo Blumen Blatt is inferior to Meteor Blade just like Raiko is inferior to RLDKM. Erza just didn't need a power up to be above BDSK tier unlike Laxus.
Except Erza's proven to be the same strength wise. This is without accounting for her PoF version either.
Laxus probably could have beaten Hades by himself too. Or at the very least, do as well as LFD Natsu.
The point is that Natsu landed several shots on Hades without any MP. Hades landed one hit on him. Then Natsu used LFD again, and defeated Hades.
You have it backwards. LFD Natsu is stronger than Hades. Everytime Natsu used LFD, he was beating up Hades.
The only way Hades was winning is if he had his heart and the Tenro Tree was down. If both arent factors, Hades just straight up never gets up from LFD roar. If both the Tenrou Tree and Devil's Heart are active, then LFD Natsu would just beat up Hades over and over again.
Laxus tanked that spell with no magic power, and still got back up later to punch Hades. Mind you, he didnt recover his MP when the tree was restored. He had no guild mark. He was just that durable.
Correct. Erza is the only character who can move in Misaki's blue dimension, and overwrite her magic. Kirin was still stronger, meaning Kirin probably just straight up tanked everything Misaki threw at him.
You're right. Self hype is meaningless. Kirin has the hype of Selene saying he's the strongest. Misaki's hype is just a piggyback off of Kirin's hype.
We can say Laxus >= Erza because of how their fight went down. He stood longer and recovered faster. Also LDK is a new powerup, and beating Kirin is > beating Misaki.
This whole who fights the stronger opponent every arc is silly. The person that fought all strongest opponents in the last arc was Suzaku. Not Erza. Not Laxus. Not even Natsu. Suzaku.
No one but him said he was stronger and there is nothing to suggest he even bested her in the spar either. Nor is there anything to say he straight up tanked everything she threw at him.
Selene never said he was the strongest. She said he was only one of them just like said Laxus was. When did she back off of Kirin's hype? Gray compared to her to Gildarts in the same fashion Laxus compared Kirin to Gildarts.
So what? He was done by that point and passed out a second afterwards. The manga even called it a double KO lmao. He recovered faster bcs the WW hypnosis was gone. Everyone in the guild including the fodder got up and had their magic restored after the WW hypnosis was undone. A power up is meaningless when the results are the same. Blumen Blatt = Raiko << BDSK <<< Meteor Blade/RLDKM.
I mean Natsu did fight the one with strongest feats among the enemies as well. But yes, Suzaku had the best feats among them bar DF Natsu's.
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Hades was in Base and held back from using his stronger magic like Amateratsu 100. So I can't say LFDM Natsu is solidly above him especial when he also had a transformation in his back pocket.
Hades heart also empowered his magic not just his recovery so without the heart he was nowhere near as strong as he was with it. Team Natsu and Laxus wouldn't be able to tank Amataratsu 100 when Amateratsu 15 pretty much fodder Laxus.
Yeah, but mages don't lose their dura bcs they are low on MP and Hades also got beat up by the likes of Wendy when he lost his heart so not that impressive.
No, but it proves Erza is better than Kirin since she could straight up overpower Blue Dimension.
Easily? Laxus only easily beat Kiria bcs he was protected by the WW. He got beat by her when he wasn't in the same fashion Erza did.
And we found that Kirin is arrogant as hell and can't even take a L humbly. So why would he not be arrogant about his prowess? Selene only said they were "one of", she didn't say they were and it's not like we don't know who's the strongest person human there (hint: It's not Kirin). His self-hype was never backed up tho.
Erza fought Hades while being on the brink of passing out after tanking the entire island's magic along with everyone in the guild's magic. You act like she came in the fight fresh like Laxus. He also got pretty much foddered and had to leave the rest to Natsu. Gray said what? Scans bcs I'm pretty sure he has never said anything about Laxus being the only one besides Gild to be capable of taking on Hades.
Not like Erza opponents don't fight using other people to back them up either lol.
Any BDSK can do the same and Natsu stalemated his and Erza bested hers. So it's not that impressive beating opponents far inferior to them. Natsu and Erza also didn't need a power up to fight their BDSK either.
Ofc they would be since it's another powerful memver of FT coming to help lol.
It was metephorical. Laxus' base lightning is already confirmed weaker than both his DS lightning and his Red Lightning which are byproducts of his lacrima. After he took out his lacrima, he did not best Kirin instead he needed to get back his DS magic back along with a new mode to be stronger than his previous self. So no, Laxus was never nerfed prior to that.
Erza tied using Blumen Blatt. Blumen Blatt was shrugged off by a BDSK in a similar manner to Kirin shrugging off Raiko. Ergo Blumen Blatt is inferior to Meteor Blade just like Raiko is inferior to RLDKM. Erza just didn't need a power up to be above BDSK tier unlike Laxus.
Except Erza's proven to be the same strength wise. This is without accounting for her PoF version either.
Again how does erza beating misaki shows she equal to kirin? What protrusion prove that bro?
irrelevent I’m talking about when they were on the ship when they went for round 2 with on the ship she couldn’t casually KO beat kiria like laxus did.
Kirin is a sore loser simple. My point with Selene she gave him that hype but she never mention misaki. Also like I said earlier she said she sparred her strongest move with Kirin which hype kirin too.
lol the Tetrou tree was protecting her the entire time. She had a boost from Wendy same with team natsu and onlu can land one hit. Laxus was about to perform better that was my argument and they were all shocked when laxus was performing including herself.
im talking about the timeskip pre gmg when gray said this right before they went to meet to prolyusica
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ur not getting the point I’m saying when erza and laxus fight an opponent 1v1 fight laxus using gets the stronger opponent only time she get stronger opponent is when laxus isn’t there or if she gets needs help from people.
natsu even got beat by a BSDK why u brought him up? also he could no diff by haku. Anyways that beside the point it was also said that all the bdsk all in the power lvl so doesn’t that mean haku=misaki or haku>natsu because she beat haku and natsu could couldn’t?
metaphorical? Laxus said he thought that lacrima was his source of his power where is the metaphor in that lol? Laxus ate the magic power to get a powerup it never gave him his DS magic back lol.
lol ur acting like erza didn’t use other armors/techniques in their fight. Erza won by extreme diff misaki.
laxus>erza because she fall down first and got up first in a tournament laxus would be considered the winner in that fight
Natsu only landed those blows when Hades was losing power, not at his peak, and then Natsu regained his power during that time and then Hades landed that hit on Natsu when his MP was restored and he lost his power. again, not at his peak. Then there was Alvarez where weakened Laxus managed to defeat Hades Historia too.
No one but him said he was stronger and there is nothing to suggest he even bested her in the spar either. Nor is there anything to say he straight up tanked everything she threw at him.
Selene never said he was the strongest. She said he was only one of them just like said Laxus was. When did she back off of Kirin's hype? Gray compared to her to Gildarts in the same fashion Laxus compared Kirin to Gildarts.
So what? He was done by that point and passed out a second afterwards. The manga even called it a double KO lmao. He recovered faster bcs the WW hypnosis was gone. Everyone in the guild including the fodder got up and had their magic restored after the WW hypnosis was undone. A power up is meaningless when the results are the same. Blumen Blatt = Raiko << BDSK <<< Meteor Blade/RLDKM.
I mean Natsu did fight the one with strongest feats among the enemies as well. But yes, Suzaku had the best feats among them bar DF Natsu's.
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Hades was in Base and held back from using his stronger magic like Amateratsu 100. So I can't say LFDM Natsu is solidly above him especial when he also had a transformation in his back pocket.
Hades heart also empowered his magic not just his recovery so without the heart he was nowhere near as strong as he was with it. Team Natsu and Laxus wouldn't be able to tank Amataratsu 100 when Amateratsu 15 pretty much fodder Laxus.
Yeah, but mages don't lose their dura bcs they are low on MP and Hades also got beat up by the likes of Wendy when he lost his heart so not that impressive.
The fact that Kirin is still considered the strongest means he probably came out on top in their sparring session.
I'm not interested in Kirin vs Misaki. I'm willing to accept at face value that Kirin is the strongest BDSK because of statements like this:
If you want to dispute that this statement doesn't prove Kirin is the strongest, then going by feats Suzaku is by far the strongest BDSK. Like, it's not even close. The argument for Misaki being the stronger than Suzaku piggybacks off the fact that she's Kirin's sparring partner. Nobody cares about Gildarts-level mp. Selene was flexing so much MP that it shook Elentear and flooded Mercphobia's city from a different dimension. Mercphobia acknowledged she has more MP than both he and Aldoron from that. Suzaku still beat her.
Faris doesn't duplicate someone's magic power. Either Laxus actually used up all his magic power fighting Erza, and just recovered faster. Or Faris held on to some of Laxus' power and that returned to him when white out was dispelled. Either way, this favors Laxus.
If you're gonna include the heart, then you might as well include the Tenrou Tree as well. Both replenish magic. With all things equal, LFD Natsu is stronger than Hades. Take away the heart, then LFD Natsu straight up beats Hades without the heart. If you put Natsu under the effects of Tenrou Tree, then LFD Natsu would allow Natsu to keep beating up Hades with his heart. I can see the argument for Amerterasu 100 being able to take out Natsu, but I don't think Hades would even be able to cast it while Natsu is beating him up. In the anime he goes for Grimoire Law against Natsu, but was simply too slow. Anyways, the original point was that Laxus was the MVP of Tenrou because it was his power that allowed LFD. There's simply no denying that LFD Natsu did better than the rest of team Natsu combined.
Again how does erza beating misaki shows she equal to kirin? What protrusion prove that bro?
irrelevent I’m talking about when they were on the ship when she went round 2 with her the ship she couldn’t casually KO beat kiria like laxus did.
Kirin is a sore loser simple. My point with Selene she gave him that hype but she never mention misaki. Also like I said earlier she said she sparred her strongest move with Kirin which hype kirin too.
lol the Tetrou tree was protecting her the entire time. She was manage her also he had a boost from Wendy same with team natsu and only cool land on hit. Laxus was about to perform better was my argument and they were all shocked well laxus was performing including herself.
im talking about the timeskip pre gmg when gray said this right before they went to meet to prolyusica
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ur not getting more point I’m saying when erza and laxus fight an opponent 1v1 fight laxus using gets the stronger opponent only time she get stronger opponent is when laxus isn’t there or if she gets needs help from people.
natsu even beat his idk why u brought him up also he could no diff by haku. Anyways that beside the point it was also said that all the bdsk all in the power lvl so doesn’t that mean haku=misaki or we>natsu because she beat haku and natsu could couldn’t?
metaphorical? Laxus said he thought that lacrima was his source of his power where is the metaphor in that lol? Laxus ate the magic power to get a powerup it never gave him his DS magic back lol.
lol ur acting like erza didn’t use other armors/techniques in their fight. Erza won by extreme diff misaki.
laxus>erza because she fall down first and got up first in a tournament laxus would be considered the winner in that fight
Kirin can't break blue dimension. Erza can. That proves Erza's meteor blade is far superior to Kirin's attack power.
Kirin has an ego is my point. Egotistical people tend to be the ones to hype themselves up the most and said hype be dusted. Selene didn't mention Natsu either so your point is? You also forget Ignia came at that point and Selene's entire focus was on him and not the game. So? It never said Kirin won either.
Tenrou tree wasn't protecting Erza the entire time bruh. As soon it as it was destroyed it lost all it's ability to protect FT members. It was major plot point in the arc.
She did casually beat Kiria. Fire empress is one of her fodders armors and yet that was enough to fuck up Kiria majorly. One more strike and she would have been done in. This was also after she was tortured for several hours and she broke out of the hypnosis herself. So again, Laxus only foddered Kiria bcs he had WW protection. Without it he was in a worse boat than Erza was.
And Erza proved she kept up with the times by being nerfed to her Tenrou counterpart for pretty much all of the GMG. He also never said only Gild and Laxus did either. He said " the guys like Gild and Laxus" so he meant their were others that did too.
Erza beat Kyouka 1v1. Beat Misaki 1v1. Beat Azuma 1v1 before fighting Hades. Where are you getting that Laxus fight stronger opponents than Erza each arc when the only time was in the GMG and that's bcs Erza actively nerfed herself.
Wait so now all the bdsk are equal in your eyes? I do not get what you are saying. I brought Natsu up bcs he didn't get stomped outright by a BDSK like Laxus was getting pummeled by Kirin without the LDK boost. Haku? Haku only foddered bcs of his hax. He could honestly foddered anyone there not named Wendy/Irene bcs his hax was OP. Not the same as besting an opponent through raw power alone like Kirin did to Laxus.
Thanks to 5 hours worth of BDSK damage from before. Had Erza taken the fight 100% at the start instead of feel her opponent out then she would have stomped the fight. Meteor Blade >>> Blue Dimension.
It is metaphorical bcs he was thought of himself as weak without it. If Laxus doesn't have Dragon Slaying magic then he doesn't have access to Lightning Dragon, Red Lightning or Lightning Dragon King magic. Those magic fodder his regular lightning magic as shown in the BoF arc and Alvarez/Aldo arc. Laxus w/o lacrima DOES NOT have DS magic. He only gained his DS magic back and a POWER UP after he ate the Lightning Dragon King's soul. So no, Laxus was never nerfed from the lacrima. He just got a significant buff that made him stronger after he got rid of it. A buff he wouldn't have without a Dragon's Soul. Like I do not get how in the hell you think he was nerfed when he recieved a big ass asspull in the arc to beat the opponent that was low diffing him. I don't remember Laxus beating Kirin without DS magic. Are you saying this is not ds magic???
Laxus = Erza bcs that is what the author, the audience (Kiria) and the characters themselves told us.
No, if both parties pass out it is an automatic L for both of them. This isn't a DB tourney. Laxus only got up bcs the WW hypnosis broke just like everyone else did.
It means nothing. My argument was that Selene was faster than Suzaku, but it didnt stop Suzaku from beating her. Kyria being on the level of a casual Erza doesnt elevates serious Erza above Selene
Nope. If that was the case he would have been one of the strongest, but he is not. So someone who can beat kirin or someone compared to kirin can beat him
(He is not august or irene of the bdsk)
Even kirin isn't that far above others.
What was misaki portrayal? That she sparred with kirin? Lol she used her stongest move to sparred with Kirin again we don’t know if kirin was using his strongest move against her also sparring is a friendly match. Lucy wanted to spar with natsu it doesn’t mean Lucy is on natsu lvl lol. Gray hyping her mp up? He said that her mp was on gildartz and laxus lvl in the official translation
When someone makes a statement like this in a story. It has some purpose. May I ask what do you think was the purpose about Misaki mp and kirin spar statement
Acno self claim to be the strongest so by that logic u wouldn’t be him also??? just because the gap isn’t big doesn’t mean he can’t be the strongest. being stronger than some1 doesn’t have to be a huge gap bro u know this lol. No1 said that gap was big between them we just saying kirin is stronger than misaki that just u showing that ur trigger about that being true lol.
Self claim is indeed useless. Aconologia has other things too
Yes they do. Suzaku can one shot erza and kirin is the strongest.
That means
Kirin >= suzaku >>>> Misaki
These people have been doing the same thing for ages
I was around when gmg was released, same sh!t. I was here during Alverez, same sh!t. And now
People never learn.
same logic with laxus he always fights stronger opponents than erza when he around (except Tartarus arc because he was POSION or if we used the anime feat he was still sick)
Nope. He only got stronger opponent once. Due to which erza got next two strongest opponents as compensation (kagura was even in the same list as jura, the list of people sabertooth had to avoid, interestingly laxus wasn't in it). So they were still comparable
again no1 saying laxus is in different tier than erza since they fight bro it’s been 4 years Lol this isnt pre 2019. We just saying laxus>erza u just assuming stronger means huge gap lol
Seriously, that long
So I now have bragging right, since I was one who predicted the true power levels of erza and laxus.
But the old spirit still exists, erza or her opponents are dehyped so much. And I am in more control when triggered
Nope.
Tenrou lfd natsu would low diff tenrou laxus
Though I do agree
Fresh tenrou laxus or fresh tenrou erza would atleast give mid diff fight to hades, in my opinion
Correct. Erza is the only character who can move in Misaki's blue dimension, and overwrite her magic. Kirin was still stronger, meaning Kirin probably just straight up tanked everything Misaki threw at him.
Nope, kirin is not the strongest, he is one of the strongest. Most likely Misaki put him in hospital after that move. This is why Misaki was shocked at erza
We can say Laxus >= Erza because of how their fight went down. He stood longer and recovered faster. Also LDK is a new powerup, and beating Kirin is > beating Misaki
Everytime Natsu used LFD, he was beating up Hades.
The fact that Kirin is still considered the strongest means he probably came out on top in their sparring session.
I'm not interested in Kirin vs Misaki. I'm willing to accept at face value that Kirin is the strongest BDSK because of statements like this:
If you want to dispute that this statement doesn't prove Kirin is the strongest, then going by feats Suzaku is by far the strongest BDSK. Like, it's not even close. The argument for Misaki being the stronger than Suzaku piggybacks off the fact that she's Kirin's sparring partner. Nobody cares about Gildarts-level mp. Selene was flexing so much MP that it shook Elentear and flooded Mercphobia's city from a different dimension. Mercphobia acknowledged she has more MP than both he and Aldoron from that. Suzaku still beat her.
Faris doesn't duplicate someone's magic power. Either Laxus actually used up all his magic power fighting Erza, and just recovered faster. Or Faris held on to some of Laxus' power and that returned to him when white out was dispelled. Either way, this favors Laxus.
If you're gonna include the heart, then you might as well include the Tenrou Tree as well. Both replenish magic. With all things equal, LFD Natsu is stronger than Hades. Take away the heart, then LFD Natsu straight up beats Hades without the heart. If you put Natsu under the effects of Tenrou Tree, then LFD Natsu would allow Natsu to keep beating up Hades with his heart. I can see the argument for Amerterasu 100 being able to take out Natsu, but I don't think Hades would even be able to cast it while Natsu is beating him up. In the anime he goes for Grimoire Law against Natsu, but was simply too slow. Anyways, the original point was that Laxus was the MVP of Tenrou because it was his power that allowed LFD. There's simply no denying that LFD Natsu did better than the rest of team Natsu combined.
Beat up is not the same as super affective affective, especially when they aren’t out of breath or bleeding out, I can deliver a barrage of attacks on a boss but cause infinitesimal damage.
Everytime Natsu used LFD, he was beating up Hades.
The fact that Kirin is still considered the strongest means he probably came out on top in their sparring session.
I'm not interested in Kirin vs Misaki. I'm willing to accept at face value that Kirin is the strongest BDSK because of statements like this:
If you want to dispute that this statement doesn't prove Kirin is the strongest, then going by feats Suzaku is by far the strongest BDSK. Like, it's not even close. The argument for Misaki being the stronger than Suzaku piggybacks off the fact that she's Kirin's sparring partner. Nobody cares about Gildarts-level mp. Selene was flexing so much MP that it shook Elentear and flooded Mercphobia's city from a different dimension. Mercphobia acknowledged she has more MP than both he and Aldoron from that. Suzaku still beat her.
Faris doesn't duplicate someone's magic power. Either Laxus actually used up all his magic power fighting Erza, and just recovered faster. Or Faris held on to some of Laxus' power and that returned to him when white out was dispelled. Either way, this favors Laxus.
If you're gonna include the heart, then you might as well include the Tenrou Tree as well. Both replenish magic. With all things equal, LFD Natsu is stronger than Hades. Take away the heart, then LFD Natsu straight up beats Hades without the heart. If you put Natsu under the effects of Tenrou Tree, then LFD Natsu would allow Natsu to keep beating up Hades with his heart. I can see the argument for Amerterasu 100 being able to take out Natsu, but I don't think Hades would even be able to cast it while Natsu is beating him up. In the anime he goes for Grimoire Law against Natsu, but was simply too slow. Anyways, the original point was that Laxus was the MVP of Tenrou because it was his power that allowed LFD. There's simply no denying that LFD Natsu did better than the rest of team Natsu combined.
Bcs Hades was only using his basic tier magic. He didn't use one of his strongest spells in that fight and held back his power as shown when he powered up once took off his eye patch. You act like Natsu just dove through al his spells no diff. If Hades took him as seriously as he did Maka then LFD Natsu would be dead.
Except only he called himself the strongest bdsk. It was never stated who won the spar either and it could be speculated Misaki won bcs Blue Dimension was never broken like Erza had done it. Either way, their both just speculative and not definitive answers to the match.
Two of the strongest =/= the strongest. It means their among the strongest. So again where are y'all getting that Laxus and Kirin are the strongest combatants there? Sure, if you want to call Suzaku the strongest go ahead lol. I stil don't see him being able to oneshot his peers like Erza or Laxus did. Selene took a dive. Selene > Healthy Dogramag >>> Nerfed Dogramag >>>> Suzaku.
Except all the combatants got their MP back in the same fashion Juvia did. Faris siphons their magic power to put them under hypnosis. They just got back the portion she siphoned off back. That doesn't really favor Laxus at all since he would have regained whatever she siphoned by the time they got to Aldo from FT.
The tree wasn't going to help them win without his heart being destroyed. Tree doesn't constantly replenish MP either as it did not give Mira back her full MP during the Azuma fight. He used GH after his heart got destroyed ergo when he got nerfed. I agree, Tenrou LFD Natsu > Tenrou Team. I just don't agree he is stronger than Hades tho and I could see Hades distracting Natsu long enough with summons to use Amateratsu 100. You could call Laxus the MVP, but it was more than just stacking his MP on top of Natsu. The intial dual modes are more like Fusion (DBZ) than simply power stacking MP. Natsu + Laxus (separately) < LFDM Natsu. If Natsu ate Erza's MP the result would be the same.
Ah
I think its just one slash. Which broke erza sword and cut her. Mishma is angle is wrong because maybe he saw cut that way better looking
Agreed
Erza is not above selene
Dogramag is not above selene either
And suzaku is far below dogramag
Nope. If that was the case he would have been one of the strongest, but he is not. So someone who can beat kirin or someone compared to kirin can beat him
(He is not august or irene of the bdsk)
Even kirin isn't that far above others.
Your opinion.
I think erza was much more important than laxus in Tenrou
Kirin is said to be the strongest and in the manga misaki is the only person who is compared with him
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I wouldn't bet on it. Current laxus strongest move is around current erza strongest move.
Kirin and Misaki durability are also compared
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Nope.
Tenrou lfd natsu would low diff tenrou laxus
Though I do agree
Fresh tenrou laxus or fresh tenrou erza would atleast give mid diff fight to hades, in my opinion
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Nope, kirin is not the strongest, he is one of the strongest. Most likely Misaki put him in hospital after that move. This is why Misaki was shocked at erza
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You might want to consider that laxus was the bad guy and erza was fighting a friend in that.
No beating kirin is >= Misaki
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Ignoring patterns is why you are so bad at predicting stuffs
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I can help here
When Misaki said that she has only used this attack on kirin. That was the time Misaki considered erza to be equal to kirin
You have no argument for it being 1 slash other than "I think that Mashima drew it eeird". It looks like two slashes. The angles are different. The damage to the sword happens in a different panel than the damage to her body.
Dogramag is not above Selene in MP, but his durability is above Selene's durability in human form.
Suzaku is one of the strongest. Your argument for Misaki being stronger than Suzaku is merely that she sparred Kirin. Suzaku beat Selene, while she was pissed. He's better in every way....including being able to oneshot someone that defeated Misaki, before fighting (and winning) against other opponents stronger than Misaki. Even if Misaki ended up putting Kirin in the hospital, he still came out superior because he's still considered the strongest. Suzaku beating Selene is still strictly better.
The whole argument for Erza here is just mental gymnastics to wank Misaki as much as possible, to distract from the fact Suzaku has already oneshotted Erza.
I did consider the fact that Laxus was the bad guy, but Erza went all out. She ran outta MP and used every attack in her arsenal. Laxus came out better.
Im not ignoring patterns. You are just ignoring the obvious. The person that fought the strongest opponents isnt Erza. Or Laxus. It's Suzaku. Out of everyone in Diabolos and FT, Suzaku just flat out has the best showings.
Bcs Hades was only using his basic tier magic. He didn't use one of his strongest spells in that fight and held back his power as shown when he powered up once took off his eye patch. You act like Natsu just dove through al his spells no diff. If Hades took him as seriously as he did Maka then LFD Natsu would be dead.
Except only he called himself the strongest bdsk. It was never stated who won the spar either and it could be speculated Misaki won bcs Blue Dimension was never broken like Erza had done it. Either way, their both just speculative and not definitive answers to the match.
Two of the strongest =/= the strongest. It means their among the strongest. So again where are y'all getting that Laxus and Kirin are the strongest combatants there? Sure, if you want to call Suzaku the strongest go ahead lol. I stil don't see him being able to oneshot his peers like Erza or Laxus did. Selene took a dive. Selene > Healthy Dogramag >>> Nerfed Dogramag >>>> Suzaku.
Except all the combatants got their MP back in the same fashion Juvia did. Faris siphons their magic power to put them under hypnosis. They just got back the portion she siphoned off back. That doesn't really favor Laxus at all since he would have regained whatever she siphoned by the time they got to Aldo from FT.
The tree wasn't going to help them win without his heart being destroyed. Tree doesn't constantly replenish MP either as it did not give Mira back her full MP during the Azuma fight. He used GH after his heart got destroyed ergo when he got nerfed. I agree, Tenrou LFD Natsu > Tenrou Team. I just don't agree he is stronger than Hades tho and I could see Hades distracting Natsu long enough with summons to use Amateratsu 100. You could call Laxus the MVP, but it was more than just stacking his MP on top of Natsu. The intial dual modes are more like Fusion (DBZ) than simply power stacking MP. Natsu + Laxus (separately) < LFDM Natsu. If Natsu ate Erza's MP the result would be the same.
Again, Selene mirrored his statement by saying he and Laxus were one of the strongest. Besides, I dont think Kirin's statement was intended to be deceitful. When he says he's the strongest of the BDSK, that's Mashima trying to give us exposition. The mental gymanastics is unnecessary. Just take it at face value.
If Misaki won, Kirin would say she's the strongest. Misaki would probably say she beat Kirin too, instead of just saying they sparred. The very fact that Kirin is being portrayed as the strongest BDSK tells us he probably came out on top. There's only 2 ways that can happen. Either he can move in Misaki's blue dimension. Or, more likely, his durability is such that he can simply tank whatever it is Misaki threw at him in blue dimension....and he won when they left.
Well, Im glad we can agree Suzaku has the best feats. Erza and Laxus didnt oneshot their BDSK opponents. They tried several attacks that didnt work, then won with a stronger attack. There fights were no different than Suzaku vs Selene.
Exactly. If Faris kept a portion of Laxus' mp when he was fighting Erza, doesnt that mean Laxus would have had more if she didnt?
LFD Natsu was literally pounding Hades the entire time. He broke the same chains Hades used to throw Makarov to the ground and smack him from titan form. Sure, maybe Amerterasu 100 or Grimoire Law can knock Natsu out, but I doubt Hades would ever get to cast them. The tree does constantly replenish magic. It just doesnt restore you to full instantly. But it doesnt matter. Just a few second of it being active took Natsu from zero to being able to use a LFD secret art. That's enough. The demon spawns might make it a bit more even, but an exhaustive team Natsu managed to throw a powerless Natsu through it and get a punch in on Hades' face.
Kirin can't break blue dimension. Erza can. That proves Erza's meteor blade is far superior to Kirin's attack power.
Kirin has an ego is my point. Egotistical people tend to be the ones to hype themselves up the most and said hype be dusted. Selene didn't mention Natsu either so your point is? You also forget Ignia came at that point and Selene's entire focus was on him and not the game. So? It never said Kirin won either.
Tenrou tree wasn't protecting Erza the entire time bruh. As soon it as it was destroyed it lost all it's ability to protect FT members. It was major plot point in the arc.
She did casually beat Kiria. Fire empress is one of her fodders armors and yet that was enough to fuck up Kiria majorly. One more strike and she would have been done in. This was also after she was tortured for several hours and she broke out of the hypnosis herself. So again, Laxus only foddered Kiria bcs he had WW protection. Without it he was in a worse boat than Erza was.
And Erza proved she kept up with the times by being nerfed to her Tenrou counterpart for pretty much all of the GMG. He also never said only Gild and Laxus did either. He said " the guys like Gild and Laxus" so he meant their were others that did too.
Erza beat Kyouka 1v1. Beat Misaki 1v1. Beat Azuma 1v1 before fighting Hades. Where are you getting that Laxus fight stronger opponents than Erza each arc when the only time was in the GMG and that's bcs Erza actively nerfed herself.
Wait so now all the bdsk are equal in your eyes? I do not get what you are saying. I brought Natsu up bcs he didn't get stomped outright by a BDSK like Laxus was getting pummeled by Kirin without the LDK boost. Haku? Haku only foddered bcs of his hax. He could honestly foddered anyone there not named Wendy/Irene bcs his hax was OP. Not the same as besting an opponent through raw power alone like Kirin did to Laxus.
Thanks to 5 hours worth of BDSK damage from before. Had Erza taken the fight 100% at the start instead of feel her opponent out then she would have stomped the fight. Meteor Blade >>> Blue Dimension.
It is metaphorical bcs he was thought of himself as weak without it. If Laxus doesn't have Dragon Slaying magic then he doesn't have access to Lightning Dragon, Red Lightning or Lightning Dragon King magic. Those magic fodder his regular lightning magic as shown in the BoF arc and Alvarez/Aldo arc. Laxus w/o lacrima DOES NOT have DS magic. He only gained his DS magic back and a POWER UP after he ate the Lightning Dragon King's soul. So no, Laxus was never nerfed from the lacrima. He just got a significant buff that made him stronger after he got rid of it. A buff he wouldn't have without a Dragon's Soul. Like I do not get how in the hell you think he was nerfed when he recieved a big ass asspull in the arc to beat the opponent that was low diffing him. I don't remember Laxus beating Kirin without DS magic. Are you saying this is not ds magic???
Laxus = Erza bcs that is what the author, the audience (Kiria) and the characters themselves told us.
No, if both parties pass out it is an automatic L for both of them. This isn't a DB tourney. Laxus only got up bcs the WW hypnosis broke just like everyone else did.
Again based on what tho? Ur just assuming that he can’t because they “sparred” you are conflating sparing as equals we don’t know if he wasn’t going all out or not. @Axiomus just show u a scan that Selene said “2 of the strongest”.
my guy Azuma said the tenrou tree was protecting her bro did u forget that’s how she won??
Bruh she wasn’t KO she still ready to fight. my argument is laxus took her down with one hit erza would need more than one hit. laxus had a an easier time than erza did (I’m strictly talking that about round 2 without the hypnosis). Also lol how is fire empress a fodder armor? U keep saying fodder armors as if we havent seen erza armors been destroyed in the past.
Smh u didn’t understand what I saying I said when laxus and erza are in the same arc together laxus gets stronger opponent than erza in 1v1 battles the only time erza had a stronger opponent was in Tartarus and it depends if u want to use laxus fight in the anime as canon.
example FF arc
erza fought Evergreen and laxus
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laxus fought mystogan erza natsu and gajeel.
Tenrou
Erza fought azuma
Laxus fought hades
gmg
Erza fought Minerva and kagura
laxus Fought jura and orga
laxus most of the time fight stronger opponents 1v1
No I’m saying there were statements that bdsk were equal in power. would u then say Wendy=erza=laxus? because of those statements? Natsu did get stomped by suzuku tho lol but again irrelevant.
5 hours of damage don’t mean much because we saw erza oneshotted by suzuku in few secs also was struggling to get up after the fight with laxus as @Darklord#10 showed
Lol u trying to twist grays word to make u feel he saying something different. dude just said “leave the guys aside that are already monsters like gildartz and laxus” he was direct and concise on who he was talking about.
Bro erza was serious from the start bro I don’t why u think she wasn’? u know how anime fights goes no1 used the strongest move at the start unless they are push to go there.
again u misunderstood what he said he thought the lacrima was his main source of power in reality wasnt lacrima just-gave him Ds magic but he didn’t need it any more once he remove it. Laxus said the “ds slay soul” was just a magic power a power up for him to use LKDM meaning he can use DS magic without the lacrima. Plus laxus wasn’t 100% when he fought kirin he took damage from Kiria for protecting Lucy. Laxus could no diff madmole and skullion. But erza couldn’t ever no diff madmole.
same logic with when they were showing the charts with the FT characters back in gmg. The author put stats out for laxus and erza and we saw who was superior. Erza fall first and got up last laxus edges her out imo but aye u can call a tied that’s fine.
@sharkai bro I don’t why we keep arguing when we both believe laxus is stronger than erza even if u believe it’s slightly u said from ur mouth this is just tiring at this point.
I’m actually done debate this laxus vs erza like fr we just agree to disagree
