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Sorry, Robin.
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Or is it Nightwing? Blue beetle? Arsenal?...
 

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Sorry, Robin.
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Or is it Nightwing? Blue beetle? Arsenal?...
He's called Grayson but he's no Robin!

It's Invincible (from the Invincible comic book), a very recommended read that they have just started adapting as an animated series on Amazon Prime. Very recommended as well.
 

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He's called Grayson but he's no Robin!

It's Invincible (from the Invincible comic book), a very recommended read that they have just started adapting as an animated series on Amazon Prime. Very recommended as well.
I know Mark Grayson, I was just kiddin with you. :D
 

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Well to be fair Im lot more picky with series, I cant handle garbage the same way you do Jams. :lambirb

Jk lmao.
Im sure the novel is better (else there wouldnt be so much people speaking well of it) but the anime just didnt give a good impression at all, felt like watching the wet dream of a teenager hooked to mmos lol. The dark ambience and themes didnt quite get through either since they felt like afterthoughts or showoff scenes instead of proper developments with impact in the plot.

Novel surely handled that better tho so as I said: benefit of the doubt, won't delve into it.
I didn't want to drag this thread into it but since you got into it first.

Here is why Overlord isn't really understood by people. Ainz to start with isn't sane. This is implied heavily but people miss it somehow. He is like that WoW player who had this guild he loved more than anything. It became his whole life. But as they all grew older the people in that guild moved on. Had kids, got more demanding jobs. Just real life stuff. But Ainz never did. He never had a life outside that game. When his friends left he just spent his time in that empty guild hall they had made surrounded by the NPCs they'd made. Alone. The beginning of Overlord and them shutting down the servers to that game is the end of his world. This is what makes Ainz interesting. The strength doesn't matter much it's about the choices a character like that makes. And the slow discovery that, while he might not be the best person, he may be pretty good at this Overlord gig.

Which brings me to the second big component. The NPCs for their part are the reflection of Ainz in a way. They are as devoted to their creators who they view as gods as he is to the guild that he can never let go of. Added to this are that each of them were created by the previous guild members without the intent that they would ever become self aware. They were an evil role-playing MMO guild of monsters, but compared to the real evil of the world they find themselves in how evil are they really? Seeing these NPCs feel things and start to use free will is why they're so interesting.

As for the Dark Fantasy setting. That is really just setting for everything else to happen. Where these characters effect people and where people effect them. The real meat and potatoes of Overlord are the choices and character interactions. Like, in Season 1, it's Ainz facing Shalteer after she's been hit with world item brainwashing who is stronger than he is because he can't stand the idea of one of the other NPCs who are like children to him killing each other.

Different parts have different tones. It can be dark. It can be funny. It can be heroic. It can be grotesque. But in the end it's about this group of characters and seeing if they will ultimate destroy this world or make it a better place. Along with the choices they make along the way and the people they will become. That's why it isn't for everybody. There are very few "normal people" in Overlord. It isn't a heroes journey. Or a battle manga type thing. Or anything normal Isekai. It's about characters and choices.
 
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Aren't you reading too much into it? It's not bad, but it seems like an isekai without the grind
 

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Aren't you reading too much into it? It's not bad, but it seems like an isekai without the grind
I am quite possibly doing that, though the whole series was actually only thought up in the first place because the writer's D&D group basically moved on. And so he starting writing an Isekai webnovel about his character and their, now abandoned, characters because he was bored and lonely. This eventually evolved into Overlord.

I know people like it because OP gothic isekai is cool. But there is a lot more to it than that. And that depth is what I really love about it.
 
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I am quite possibly doing that, though the whole series was actually only thought up in the first place because the writer's D&D group basically moved on. And so he starting writing an Isekai webnovel about his character and their, now abandoned, characters because he was bored and lonely. This eventually evolved into Overlord.

I know people like it because OP gothic isekai is cool. But there is a lot more to it than that. And that depth is what I really love about it.
Well idk how much does the novel dive into that theme you speak of, Im only saying the anime didnt dive into it at all. Anime was your average "mc escapes from reality and lives his dreams" isekai but starting at the top, which was nothing special.

Glad that at least it has something else to it.
 

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Well idk how much does the novel dive into that theme you speak of, Im only saying the anime didnt dive into it at all. Anime was your average "mc escapes from reality and lives his dreams" isekai but starting at the top, which was nothing special.

Glad that at least it has something else to it.
I realize that's the way people see it. Which is only natural given how niche the things it's focused on are. But much of the story isn't even from a MC perspective so that should tell you how inaccurate that ultimately is.

For example..

  • Sebas has a whole arc that's him taking in a battered half dead prostitute.
  • The village girl Ainz saves has a whole arc that's her rise to awesomeness along with her Goblins.
  • There is a whole arc where Ainz goes completely psycho on some adventurers who try and invade Nazarik. Horror movie style. He is the antagonist of that arc.
  • There is a whole arc about Lizardmen fighting against Ainz's invasion where the ultimate point is Cocytus recognizing them as warriors and saving them from being turned into undead.

Overlord goes a lot of very different places but the common theme remains. Characters and choices.
 
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I mean if you're just gonna pad and describe arcs, you can even make superficial stuff like Fairy Tail/Eden Zero or SAO be impressive/in-depth
 

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That said I'm glad you managed to come up a reading that satisfies you
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The whole first arc of SAO was impressive.
What's the first arc? The first few episodes? In that case yeah
 

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I mean if you're just gonna pad and describe arcs, you can even make superficial stuff like Fairy Tail/Eden Zero or SAO be impressive/in-depth
Describing arcs in which the main character of the series isn't the main character at all. Often he isn't even in them. Hence my point. It is most certainly not a "mc escapes from reality and lives his dreams" :hee
 

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As I said earlier, he's a demon and a 'dragon' now. He got a power up when he consumed Igneel's son flames (which felt like Igneel's) to the point that Lucy said that Natsu's new flames can now burn the sea, the earth and the sky. All that while he was beating the crap out of a gigantic Dragon God. Not only that he also have a lot of other 'consumed' power in himself, like Laxus' lightning, Zancrow's God Slayer Flame, Atla's Hell Flame... His overall physical strength, endurance and speed/reflex went up to the point that he could match another Dragon God, dodge point blank blasts and resist his body gettin pierced by a bunch of magical spikes. Said Dragon God is Aldoran who's basically a walking country and Natsu destroyed him (both brain/avatar and main body) with a single punch. Tbh I don't even know if I'll really show up on the second round now that Wild Rift released (sorry :(), but with that I want to point out that Reinhard doesn't win by a landslide in a power contest. Not anymore. Pre 100 yr quest Natsu? Maybe. Currently no.

By the hands of Reinhard with the help of Emilia and Subaru. Reinhard alone couldn't do it. That's what I meant to say. I'm up to date with the novel I think. Regulus is a megalomanic and his superiority complex is what 'felled' him if I remember correctly. That's why I spoke for Ilya, tbh. Not only she have the tools, but his personality is a drag too.

About Aizen, after the Hogyoku he became some kind of 4 dimensional being plus as someone said on an earlier reply he could simply overpower anything with his Reiatsu - it's one of his many bs power. Nothing is out of his reach. He is bound to a prison in the afterlife and can still sense things that happen in the real world. Also Kurohitsugi have the power to distort gravity, space and time and Aizen can use it while sitting on a chair that seal most of his powers (althought after a certain amount of mental training in a 'tranquil' place his prison ambience provided). The 1v1 will happen in a situation where both fighters will be free to use anything they ever had in their disposal accordin to lore. Really. Unless you have the same amount (or near) of spiritual pressure as him, your body would crumble by proximity. The only reasson Ichigo could fight with him on equal grounds for some period of time was because he was a Quincy Shinigami Hollow from the start and the power up he got was some kind of wild card where his full potential would be avaliable if he sacrificed his future. Eventually even Ichigo run out of power and wasn't it for Urahara's seal - who only worked due to the villain weakened temporary state - the hogyoku could simply regen Aizen again. The guy can't be killed and had to be sealed, Mayuri is doing his best to keep it but for how long? That's why I mentioned earlier that berserker and emiya class card could deal with the KS illusion power due to the Mind's Eye skill/ability. But the Reaitsu and all other bullshit? I'll need to research deeper if I want to defend Ilya again.
Well, I have read it only till the water dragon arc, somepoint after that it was beginning to get too mind numbing to continue any further. The Igina form you speak of is not his own but comes from an external source, he no longer retains it anymore. But before addressing any more of that, I'd like to point that I don't see any Dragon God winning against the likes of Reinhard either. Excelling in raw power isn't going to take him anywhere against him in a battle given the fact that his divinations make him effectively broken to the point he could continue fighting forever. If not anything else, he would simply triumph in a battle of attriton (likely more than just that). Furthermore this isn't quite the thread for it, so better save it for later.​

By Wild Rift you mean mobile league? But aren't the matches supposed to be faster paced. I don't intend be that active when it comes to debates either.​

Oh, that wasn't clear to me in your previous post. She could make use of his personality to her advantage but not for long. She won't be able to deal a decisive blow. Let's just agree to disagree about her tools being able to interfere with him, as I don't see anything in her arsenal that could reach Regulus, even with the inclusion of Gale Blog. The match is already settled, so there's no point going in circles about this any further.​

Hmm it's been a few years since I've last visited the Bleach manga and anime, so I will leave it at this, though I still stand by Regulus invincibility with the nature of his authority. But all that is moot since the one up against Azien is Illyaviel, not Regulus. Perhaps we can delve into this discussion in their vs thread later.​
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Which one is omnipotent? So i know to hatepick.
Alucard(I think). There are many other broken picks too though.
 
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Alucard(I think)​
Nah, Alucard is far from omnipotent

it's quite likely that he is omnipresent, however
(certainly within the dimension he is a part of, he is - I reckon it's arguable that he is in other dimensions, but I guess that arguments would heavily depend on the rules of those specific dimensions)
 
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By Wild Rift you mean mobile league? But aren't the matches supposed to be faster paced. I don't intend be that active when it comes to debates either.​
I played a lot of matches. :(
 

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Nah, Alucard is far from omnipotent

it's quite likely that he is omnipresent, however
(certainly within the dimension he is a part of, he is - I reckon it's arguable that he is in other dimensions, but I guess that arguments would heavily depend on the rules of those specific dimensions)
Yes, I had the two confused when I typed that.^^ Not well-versed with the Hellsing series.
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I played a lot of matches. :(
Oh...careful not to overdo it I guess...
 
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