Discussion The Holy war

[Samael Morningstar]

The fact that it was hyped as this power beyond any race only for it to be Mael’s grace will always be disappointing. I really hope there’s more to it. There’s still time, not a lot of it but time nonetheless.

Who knows it maybe an foreshadowing of his innate magic

 

[ShadowHeart]

However, reflecting the demon King is the enemy of all. He is bad, Wicked is wants to bring Britain into chaos. The Supreme Allied Goddess of all wants to save Britain from the Demons, the Supreme Goddess has committed only a crime to punish her daughter for betraying the clan. Nakaba can't make everyone's enemy SD just because she gave her daughter a punishment. At the end of the day the SD is good, you can not appear her at random is to say "Hajahha I was always the bad, Now we Fight "At most can appear is say "I will not ask you to forgive me but I'm sorry"
If we find some flaw we can accuse her of dragging the clan of goddesses and the rest in a bloody war against the Demons

The SD is a bitch only teamed up with her rival to kill and curses her own daughter.

 

[BurlapJack]

Hold on, hold on...

The same SD that cursed her duaghter for being benevolent and merciful (something a GOOD goddess should be) is being called good just becuase the DK is actually just evil to be evil and she osn't showing up at all? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Hold on, hold on...

The same SD that cursed her duaghter for being benevolent and merciful (something a GOOD goddess should be) is being called good just becuase the DK is actually just evil to be evil and she osn't showing up at all? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

SD cursed meliodas
DK cursed Elizabeth

 

[Anti mel fanboysim]

Hold on, hold on...

The same SD that cursed her duaghter for being benevolent and merciful (something a GOOD goddess should be) os being called good just becuase the DK is actually just evil to be evil? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

U mean the duaghter who is been saving the demons that enslave/kill every other races including her own.
From what we know SD cursed eli just to change her behaviour as ludo said SD was willing to break the curse

 

[Estarossa173]

Hold on, hold on...

The same SD that cursed her duaghter for being benevolent and merciful (something a GOOD goddess should be) is being called good just becuase the DK is actually just evil to be evil and she osn't showing up at all? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

The SD has done nothing to prove that she is evil. The DK cursed Elizabeth, not the SD. She only cursed Meliodas.

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you guys think Zeldris will die or be save?

Can go either way.

 

[Undina]

U mean the duaghter who is been saving the demons that enslave/kill every other races including her own.
From what we know SD cursed eli just to change her behaviour as ludo said SD was willing to break the curse

Umm, what?! The GC was doing that too, they were simply being sneaky and hypocritical about it. And the SD/Ludo were offering her release from the curse in exchange for betraying everyone she actually loved and loved her, plus countless powerless humans(in the given context) struggling to survive.

Are you going to ignore what squinty did to the human army with BoB?!? They only survived thanks to Elizabeth being particularly on Britannia's side, not the GC's/DC's.

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The SD has done nothing to prove that she is evil

She allowed her daughter's getting cursed(this is more than enough to be considered evil), even as she took advantage of what Elizabeth ended up doing: more in the favour of the GC/Stigma, than the DC...by bringing Meliodas to their side. Which was a lot more than the SD ever tried to do for her clan and those she wanted to dominate...remember that it wasn't her decission to seal the demons!

 

[revo]

Kinda off-topic theme but the Supreme Deity:

• Burned and massacred and entire city because she was trolled by a little girl.
• Killed her own daughter and never cared for the fact that she suffered for 3.000 years.
• Is responsable of the killing of innocent civil demons who didn't partcipate in the war. Basically gave an ideology of discrimination to her clan.

All these things are things that the Demon King did as well. Both gods are responsable for the bad things that happened in the whole series.
Sure, Nakaba can make her show up and show that her true intentions were actually good. But so far, what we know of the SD is thanks to the DK, they're practically partners in crime. Calling her "good" doesn't make much sense by knowing all the killing she's responsable for.
She's basically the second main antagonist of the whole curse subplot.
The "is she for villan material?" is a different debate, though.

 

[Anti mel fanboysim]

Umm, what?! The GC was doing that too, they were simply being sneaky and hypocritical about it. And the SD/Ludo were offering her release from the curse in exchange for betraying everyone she actually loved and loved her, plus countless powerless humans(in the given contex) struggling to survive.

If i remeber correctly the GC were the ones sending peace offer to the DC when two of the commandments tried to kill the GC messengers but mel killed them.
As for ludo offer he wanted to kill evil mel before he absorb the commandments which is better than mel actully absorbing them while her was evil

 

[Undina]

If i remeber correctly the GC were the ones sending peace offer to the DC when two of the commandments tried to kill the GC messengers but mel killed them

Where did you get this from? And I want an official source

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Kinda off-topic theme but the Supreme Deity:

• Burned and massacred and entire city because she was trolled by a little girl.
• Killed her own daughter and never cared for the fact that she suffered for 3.000 years.
• Is responsable of the killing of innocent civil demons who didn't partcipate in the war. Basically gave an ideology of discrimination to her clan.

All these things are things that the Demon King did as well. Both gods are responsable for the bad things that happened in the whole series.
Sure, Nakaba can make her show up and show that her true intentions were actually good. But so far, what we know of the SD is thanks to the DK, they're practically partners in crime. Calling her "good" doesn't make much sense by knowing all the killing she's responsable for.
She's basically the second main antagonist of the whole curse subplot.
The "is she for villan material?" is a different debate, though.

One definitely gets triggered on being trolled so nothing bad to be angered and destroy a city anyone would do that, if not destroy a city then at least kill the family members of that guy/girl who trolled.

Daughter destroyed her name by being with a DC and ruining her reputation so nothing bad in cursing such an girl and let her suffer for 3000 years it should be even more and much more terrifying but she didn't do much terrifying.

Good demon or bad demon or innocent demon, a demon is a demon and it needs to be killed no matter what.

So nothing bad for SD

 

[Anti mel fanboysim]

Kinda off-topic theme but the Supreme Deity:

• Burned and massacred and entire city because she was trolled by a little girl.
• Killed her own daughter and never cared for the fact that she suffered for 3.000 years.
• Is responsable of the killing of innocent civil demons who didn't partcipate in the war. Basically gave an ideology of discrimination to her clan.

All these things are things that the Demon King did as well. Both gods are responsable for the bad things that happened in the whole series.
Sure, Nakaba can make her show up and show that her true intentions were actually good. But so far, what we know of the SD is thanks to the DK, they're practically partners in crime. Calling her "good" doesn't make much sense by knowing all the killing she's responsable for.
She's basically the second main antagonist of the whole curse subplot.
The "is she for villan material?" is a different debate, though.

If we took in count every bad thing the characters dose in this series mel will be the worst character/villian in the story but its not how it work here

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Yes even the seven deadly sins are bad for supporting these two assholes

 

[revo]

One definitely gets triggered on being trolled so nothing bad to be angered and destroy a city anyone would do that, if not destroy a city then at least kill the family members of that guy/girl who trolled.

"Nothing bad to be angered and destroy a city anyone would do that".
After that line I doubt we will agree at anything, there's no way you can't see that's a bad thing. That, as well, is a different debate.

 

[Undina]

One definitely gets triggered on being trolled so nothing bad to be angered and destroy a city anyone would do that, if not destroy a city then at least kill the family members of that guy/girl who trolled.

Daughter destroyed her name by being with a DC and ruining her reputation so nothing bad in cursing such an girl and let her suffer for 3000 years it should be even more and much more terrifying but she didn't do much terrifying.

Good demon or bad demon or innocent demon, a demon is a demon and it needs to be killed no matter what.

So nothing bad for SD

You're trolling, right? If you dare do so, then you've earned yourself a massacre on yourself, your family, all your loved ones and the rest of your community. Slaughtering people for a trolling and torturing your only child is nothing bad...sure

 

[Samael Morningstar]

"Nothing bad to be angered and destroy a city anyone would do that".
After that line I doubt we will agree at anything, there's no way you can't see that's a bad thing. That, as well, is a different debate.

I don't see that as a bad thing, i just imagine being someone of power and anyone who tries to mess with me I'll definitely Ruin everything of that guy/girl.
You have power you have everything, you're the boss so it's only you who'll decide what is good and what is bad

 

[Undina]

If we took in count every bad thing the characters dose in this series mel will be the worst character/villian in the story but its not how it work here

You're forgetting that it was the DK and 1/2 of the Sinner who delivered you this Mel you're blaming so passionately; it's as Revo said, the parents are guilty for not making sane or better decissions when raising their children or ruling their peoples, and the flaws the offspring ended up with, if even they are flaws(cause Elizabeth's goodness isn't a flaw, yet people hold it as a Sin above her head), are the results of the upbringing they received.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

You're trolling, right? If you dare do so, then you've earned yourself a massacre on yourself, your family, all your loved ones and the rest of your community. Slaughtering people for a trolling and torturing your only child is nothing bad...sure

Read above

 

[Undina]

I don't see that as a bad thing, i just imagine being someone of power and anyone who tries to mess with me I'll definitely Ruin everything of that guy/girl.
You have power you have everything, you're the boss so it's only you who'll decide what is good and what is bad

Dude, we're still on the point where the SD's evil side started being established with her monstruous failure as a parent.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

It's the child's fault not mine so I'll torture as much as I want

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Dude, we're still on the point where the SD's evil side started being estabished with her monstruous failure as a parent.

Good and evil, such concepts do not exist for the strong, it's only for the weaklings.
Neither DK or SD are bad as they're beings of power, it's only them who will decide