The "New" Blackbeard Pirates Discussion Thread.

[chess4]

My bet on the Straw Hat Pirates vs. the Blackbeard Pirates :

1. Luffy vs. Teach
   [*]Zoro vs. Shiliew
   [*]Nami vs. Vasco Shot
   [*]Ussop vs. Van Augur
   [*]Sanji vs. Lafitte
   [*]Chopper vs. Sanjuan Wolf
   [*]Robin vs. Catarina Devon
   [*]Brook vs. Doc Q/Stronger
   [*]Fishman SH vs. Jesus Burgess

I think we will all agree that Luffy, Zoro and Ussop's opponents are unavoidable. Anyway, I think among the other " obvious " fights, we could have some surprises, and that's why I've bet on my own opponent list. I also thought about doing that after I read someone'signature about the Straw Hat and Blackbeard Pirates fighting - I don't remember the MH person. It was great so I decided to have my own ideas about it.

I think that Chopper won't fight Doc Q even if he is a doctor because he would more useful against Sanjuan Wolf. His Monster Point would be the solution against he biggest creature ever born.

The gentleman battle between Brook and Lafitte would be great but I think that Lafitte is too strong for Brook. I know that his look and his ability to affect people make us think about Brook and his ability to affect people with music but I rank Lafitte just behind Teach and Shiliew in terms of strenght, and that's why I bet on Sanji beating him. I also think that Lafitte's unknown Devil Fruit is amazing and have terrible powers. I won't be surprised if it was one of the few mythological zoans.

Instead, I've decided to make Brook fight Doc. Q because the doctor's weapon is unusual and it would clash very well against Brook's stick. I've also remembered that Doc. Q has a horse called Stronger and that Oda associated Brook to the Horse in a SBS. Doc Q also looks like a dying man, and fights with a sickle, so this death theme leads to the Dead Straw Hat, the Joke Skeleton.

About Jesus Burgess, I think that he's the typical guy with super human strenght, who only uses his amazing raw strenght to beat his foe. So, as I think the Straw Hat Pirates will get a last member on Fishman Island, the last place before New World, this future character would be great to fight against him. After all, fishman are said to be 10 times stronger than humans from birth.

Catarina Devon just looks evil and Robin is seen as the demon from Ohara so I believe that they will fight. There is also the fact that Robin has always been making fun of Usopp's nose - calling him Nagahana-kun all the time - so I find it great as a conclusion to make her confront this long nosed woman.

And finally, I thought about Vasco Shot for Nami because I think his alcohol would allow him to resist Nami's Thunder Tempo and that would give her an handicap. I also like the idea that she will fight a big fat man : that would make her look fragile against an opponent much bigger than her who could crush her easily. It would be a bit like in Arabasta when she was fighting against Miss Doublefinger. Thus she would have to be extremely careful and use all her intelligence to find a weakness and beat him.

this is what i think

luffy vs BB

zoro vs shilew

sanji vs burgess

usopp vs van auger

brook vs doc q/stronger

frankie vs corrupt king

robin vs ms devon

nami vs lafite

fishman vs vasco shot

the 1st 4 fights are obvious. i see the fishman fighting vasco shot because i think vasco is a drunken boxing master and the fishman will use fishman karate.

i think nami will fight lafite because, well lafite is the most femine crewman out side of ms devon

robin and ms devon will be great, two of the most feared women in the world.

frankie and the corrupt king because i think he has metal drills on the end of his hand and frankie is a cyborg.

brrok and doc q are the odd men out, so i see them fighting.

chopper will gain an advance monster point and be able to fight san juan wolf

 

[BlackSword]

Just a thought... If someone was smart they would just hit BB with like everything they have in the first punch. He never blocks or dodges cause he needs to get hit to use his DF ability... Imo his biggest weakness is if he gets killed with the first attack its over. Ace lost cause he didn't know what BBs ability was. If gone all out from the start it would have probably turned out different...

 

[kkck]

BB has poor defenses but I doubt taking him out would be so easy as to simply go all out from the start. BB is also a reasonably sharp guy, I would think in general he could react appropriate to a strong attack. Considering he has the quake fruit and darkness to absorb anything, I don't think it would be a simple matter to simply land an attack on the guy even if the attack in question is absurdly powerful. Lets also remember BB took WB's quake to the head and he still lived and fought on even grounds with someone of the likes of sengoku.

 

[BlackSword]

True... Bastard is like the Rocky of One Piece... No matter how much you beat him up he keeps getting back up. Lol!

 

[Captain golddigger]

My bet on the Straw Hat Pirates vs. the Blackbeard Pirates :

1. Luffy vs. Teach
2. Zoro vs. Shiliew
3. Nami vs. Vasco Shot
4. Ussop vs. Van Augur
5. Sanji vs. Lafitte
6. Chopper vs. Sanjuan Wolf
7. Robin vs. Catarina Devon
8. Brook vs. Doc Q/Stronger
9. Fishman SH vs. Jesus Burgess

I think we will all agree that Luffy, Zoro and Ussop's opponents are unavoidable. Anyway, I think among the other " obvious " fights, we could have some surprises, and that's why I've bet on my own opponent list. I also thought about doing that after I read someone'signature about the Straw Hat and Blackbeard Pirates fighting - I don't remember the MH person. It was great so I decided to have my own ideas about it.

I think that Chopper won't fight Doc Q even if he is a doctor because he would more useful against Sanjuan Wolf. His Monster Point would be the solution against he biggest creature ever born.

The gentleman battle between Brook and Lafitte would be great but I think that Lafitte is too strong for Brook. I know that his look and his ability to affect people make us think about Brook and his ability to affect people with music but I rank Lafitte just behind Teach and Shiliew in terms of strenght, and that's why I bet on Sanji beating him. I also think that Lafitte's unknown Devil Fruit is amazing and have terrible powers. I won't be surprised if it was one of the few mythological zoans.

Instead, I've decided to make Brook fight Doc. Q because the doctor's weapon is unusual and it would clash very well against Brook's stick. I've also remembered that Doc. Q has a horse called Stronger and that Oda associated Brook to the Horse in a SBS. Doc Q also looks like a dying man, and fights with a sickle, so this death theme leads to the Dead Straw Hat, the Joke Skeleton.

About Jesus Burgess, I think that he's the typical guy with super human strenght, who only uses his amazing raw strenght to beat his foe. So, as I think the Straw Hat Pirates will get a last member on Fishman Island, the last place before New World, this future character would be great to fight against him. After all, fishman are said to be 10 times stronger than humans from birth.

Catarina Devon just looks evil and Robin is seen as the demon from Ohara so I believe that they will fight. There is also the fact that Robin has always been making fun of Usopp's nose - calling him Nagahana-kun all the time - so I find it great as a conclusion to make her confront this long nosed woman.

And finally, I thought about Vasco Shot for Nami because I think his alcohol would allow him to resist Nami's Thunder Tempo and that would give her an handicap. I also like the idea that she will fight a big fat man : that would make her look fragile against an opponent much bigger than her who could crush her easily. It would be a bit like in Arabasta when she was fighting against Miss Doublefinger. Thus she would have to be extremely careful and use all her intelligence to find a weakness and beat him.

what about franky?

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

this is what i think

luffy vs BB

zoro vs shilew

sanji vs burgess

usopp vs van auger

brook vs doc q/stronger

frankie vs corrupt king

robin vs ms devon

nami vs lafite

fishman vs vasco shot

the 1st 4 fights are obvious. i see the fishman fighting vasco shot because i think vasco is a drunken boxing master and the fishman will use fishman karate.

i think nami will fight lafite because, well lafite is the most femine crewman out side of ms devon

robin and ms devon will be great, two of the most feared women in the world.

frankie and the corrupt king because i think he has metal drills on the end of his hand and frankie is a cyborg.

brrok and doc q are the odd men out, so i see them fighting.

chopper will gain an advance monster point and be able to fight san juan wolf

How I could forget the idea that Vasco Shot was a drunk master ?! We already talked about him getting this fighting style on Mangahelpers. For those who did not get it, see the video on Youtube of the drunk master with Bruce Lee. Thus the fishman fighting him really makes sense as you said. If I change that in my list, that would make Nami fight Burgess, who is also a big guy, so that would be fine. Also Burgess being a helmsman, that would be great to see him fighting Nami the navigator.

For the same reasons I said on my post, I can't see Nami dealing with someone like Lafitte who looks like an amazing beast.

what about franky?

I somehow deleted a line. Well, I obviously thought he would fight the Blackbeard Pirate that I also erased : Avalo Pizzaro. I also thought about him because of his drills. I think he is the prisoner who has created LVL 5.5. After all, he is the only one among Teach's news nakama - with the exception of Shiliew - who did not wear the Impel Down outfit.

So finally, that would make

1. Monkey D. Luffy vs. Marshall D. Teach
2. Roronoa Zoro vs. Shiliew
3. Nami vs. Jesus Burgess
4. Usopp vs. Van Augur
5. Sanji vs. Lafitte
6. Tony Tony Chopper vs. Sanjuan Worf
7. Nico Robin vs. Catarina Devon
8. Franky vs. Avalo Pizarro
9. Brook vs. Doc. Q/Stronger
10. Fishman SH vs. Vasco Shot

 

[Riku]

I like your post, though I still feel like Brook vs. Lafitte. Not because gentleman theme (heck, Lafitte isn't even gentleman, he was mentioned to be cruel ex-cop), but because there is 'lightness' theme. Lafitte has wings, Brook has a light body, which has been mentioned several times. I don't know how'd it work out in a fight but anyways. Though I also think that Lafitte is the third biggest player fro BB's crew, so he is too much for Brook.

So I predict he first beats Brook, whose moves to fight Doc Q while Sanji takes on Lafitte. Or something. I don't think the match-ups will be really straight forward.

And finally, I thought about Vasco Shot for Nami because I think his alcohol would allow him to resist Nami's Thunder Tempo and that would give her an handicap.

Also the fact, that Nami has been showed having great tolerance for alchohol.

 

[frontaLobotomy]

I gotta say, I'm leaning in the direction of the entire Straw Hat Pirates, maybe even the Sunny as well, to have to take on Wolf. He's just so damn huge! Even in Monster Point, Chopper wasn't a large as, say, Oars and Wolf is even bigger than that. I think Teach will add one more member to his crew as he travels the New World, and they'll be strong. Making for a possible/probable set of one v ones if/when Luffy adds a new member to the crew.

I hope to see more of the Blackbeard Pirates, they're an interesting bunch, and are going after One Piece. I'm guessing we won't learn how Teach managed to acquire two Devil Fruit powers until he fights Luffy, but there is a battle between him and Shanks that I hope we get to see.

 

[chess4]

@lord rayleigh......i think nami would not fair to well against burgess. their fighting styles are way 2 different.

 

[drsckarasu]

StrawHats pirates against BlackBeard pirates:
1. Monkey D. Luffy vs. Marshall D. Teach
2. Roronoa Zoro vs. Shiliew
3. Nami vs. Lafitte (Because Oda say, that Lafitte is navigator)
4. Usopp vs. Van Augur
5. Tony Tony Chopper vs. Doc.Q/Stronger
The rest positions is unclear, because Oda gave us not enough information.

 

[Wisshard]

I gotta say, I'm leaning in the direction of the entire Straw Hat Pirates, maybe even the Sunny as well, to have to take on Wolf.

Well, at least I expect Luffy to be regarded as the strongest man in the world after he has defeated Blackbeard, and it would be anti-climatic if Luffy has to gang up on a guy with his whole crew to take him out...

 

[Soka]

IMO its quite clear that there could be 2 inteesting fights for Franky:

Vs Vasco Shot : It would be the fight liquor vs cola - alcohol vs coffein
Additionally I think Vasco can "shoot" too with burning liquor so both could use beams

VS: San Juan : I know most people think a controllable monster point is the key to his height but if hes really that big than it wont matter if its Sanji or Chopper.
My guess is that there is a slight possibility that Franky will someday merge with the Sunny to form a Lionheaded Megazord
This idea is also supported by the manga if the translation is correct
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/55133868/16

 

[chess4]

i think that the Blackbeard Pirates will be a pretty big crew when we see them again. with the orignal 10 members being the leaders of the crew. i think teach will be the new yonkou and the be the one thaat takes over BB's section of the new world. they will be a crew of thugs doing whatever they want 2.

teach has 2 of the strongest fruits that we have seen in one piece so far. im sure after 2 years he has gained full control over his fruit powers.

 

[Channy]

I don't think that Blackbeard will have a big crew i think hes a man that would get a small crew and like it that way because he spent a good amount of time on Whitebeard's ship and maybe he wants to do something different than Whitebeard because during the Marineford Arc he said to Whitebeard there was a time where i looked to you to Whitebeard so i think he wants to be different from Whitebeard in all ways besides having his DF but to conclude i think Blackbeard wants a small crew

 

[chess4]

I don't think that Blackbeard will have a big crew i think hes a man that would get a small crew and like it that way because he spent a good amount of time on Whitebeard's ship and maybe he wants to do something different than Whitebeard because during the Marineford Arc he said to Whitebeard there was a time where i looked to you to Whitebeard so i think he wants to be different from Whitebeard in all ways besides having his DF but to conclude i think Blackbeard wants a small crew

BB wants to be the pirate king. he is the type of person to do whatever to get to the top. since i think BB is the new yonkou, i doubt he can be that with 10 crewmwmbers.

 

[Ashura_Ichibugin]

BB wants to be the pirate king. he is the type of person to do whatever to get to the top. since i think BB is the new yonkou, i doubt he can be that with 10 crewmwmbers.

To be a yonkou you must claim islands. I don't think BB is the kind of guy to take a responsibility like that. So, I think he is not/will not be a yonkou.

And my list of SH vs BB. I will list them in 2 parts.

Obvious pairings:
1) Luffy vs Blackbeard
2) Zoro vs Shiliew
3) Sanji vs Jesus Burgess
4) Usopp vs Van Augur
5) Robin vs Catarina Devon

Now, not-so-obvious pairings, which I am not sure about:
6) Brook vs Laffitte (I can't help, they look too similar not to be paired)
7) Nami vs Vasco Shot
8) Franky vs Avalo Pizarro
9) Chopper vs Sanjuan Wolf or Stronger/Doc Q
10) New member vs Stronger/Doc Q or Sanjuan Wolf

There may be different factors like vs CP9: pairings can change mid-battle or Luffy can take on 2 opponents etc.

 

[St Michael]

I mostly agree with you. There is only 2 pairing that I would change.

I'ld say :
- Franky vs Burgess : wrestling , powerhouse , raw strenght fight. Plus Burgess seems too weak for Sanji
- Sanji vs Pizaro (he created the Okama level in ID , maybe there is something that may lead to an interaction with Sanji , plus he comes from the level 6 , so he belongs to the strongest members of the crew.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Obvious pairings:
1) Luffy vs Blackbeard
2) Zoro vs Shiliew
3) Sanji vs Jesus Burgess
4) Usopp vs Van Augur
5) Robin vs Catarina Devon

That's wrong. Only, Luffy, Zoro and Ussop's opponents are known for sure. For the rest, we cannot be sure of anything even though some positions are similar in the two crews, because their fighting style are quite different.

Here is for example a different possible list with reasonable arguments: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2092062&postcount=120
Sorry for " Franky vs. Avalo Pizarro " who was forgotten. By the way, I changed some possible fights through the discussion thanks to chess4's who reminded me that Vasco Shot could possibly be a drunk master (vs. Fishman Karate user).

 

[bisha16]

you may be right because they have a lot similarites like:

1.luffy vs blacbeard (they have a big appetite and the will of D)
2.zorro vs shilew (strong swordmans)
3.sanji vs laffite (laffite looks kind a gentleman like sanji)
4.ussop vs van augur (both shoters)
5.chopper vs sanjuan wolf (i think that chopper can now controll his giant form and so be the bigger strawhat to fight that giant)
5.franky vs avolo pizaru (they both look like wresler)
and that was my oppion for some of the fights that might happen...

 

[kkck]

The main issue here is that we don't know the power scale of BBs crew. I mean, we know BB is the leader and the strongest there but the rest of the members are rather obscure. Would shiliu be the second strongest in the crew? I think it is within the realm of possibilities that the ID ex prisoners are stronger than him considering where they were to begin with. I guess shiliu vs zoro would make sense given the swordsman thingy. No clue of who might be the third strongest there.