Discussion The Official Lucy Heartfilia Thread

[Cosmicstar]

Lucy doesn't posses the one magic it would be overkill. Lucy can now Summon most if not all her spirits at once and perform Urano metria. She still could possibly get the spirit king and So on with Gemini. If Lucy magical power was at Gildarts Level+ She possessed all 88 keys and even more if she desired + Urano Metria or other spells no need for the One magic it would be to cliche. Just let Lucy get mega powerful the normal and easy way get more keys and raise her magical power.

Lucy + Yukino opened the 12 zodiac keys with the keys having magical power surrounding them able to push a door and Dragon back.
Lucy>Yukino stated by Yukino herself
Lucy + Lucy(Gemini)= opening 12 gates-- 10 zodiac and 2 silver and being able to perform Urano Metria
Lucy + Yukino(Gemini)= Opening 12 zodiac gates or even 13 zodiac gates if Ophincius is still in Yukino possession.

 

[Nizen]

I just thought of something about Layla Heartfilia having an intense connection in the future events in Fairy Tail
What we all know up until this point:
Celestial spirit magic has been an instrumental in activating Zeref's invention, Eclipse.
She died on the same date as the dragons got inside the body of DS. Through these facts, there has been a lot of speculation that she might be responsible for this incident.
She mentions One Magic to Lucy, something that Zeref is extremely connected to.
And most probably, Layla is the oldest CS wizard we've known.

Celestial Magic for all we know, also helped to demolish Alegria, a curse spell used by Tartarus, again Zeref's property. Galaxia blade was strong enough to unleash "the light" that could wipe away darkness(Curse). One Magic again, has been related to Light(Love) and Darkness. Taking these into consideration, CS magic is a dangerous asset. Zeref is apparently the only wizard who has found the other way around to reach One Magic (Anti-Ether/Curse magic, darkness) and Layla having knowledge about One Magic and also being a mage who's extremely useful to Zeref can't be a mere coincidence, can it? There is some connection between them.

Question time:
Did Zeref raise her in Alvarez and he made her marry Jude to gain access to financial resources or something close?
Did she become a disciple of Zeref or is she...you know, his daughter?

Edit: CS magic probably is strong enough to cancel out Curse used by demons. How?
Post your thoughts below!!

 

[Nemispelled]

I can kinda get where you are going with that. It seems that your theory is likely a possible connection.

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I still don't see how Layla and Mavis and Zeref have any connection. Especially about the One Magic being able to revive people or the dead.

See, first off, if it was true that Layla had direct or immediate connection to Zeref, then why didn't she tell her Celestial Spirits about her legacy who would in turn, pass the information down to Lucy.

Doing that, Layla would assure that Zeref does not get to the One Magic before the Celestial Spirit Wizards, specifically her daughter Lucy.

The only way that I can see Layla having no need to pass down to Lucy and not worrying about Zeref is if they were once friends? Is it true? Only time will tell, Im dyin to see how Mavis Layla and Zeref are connected if they are.

Either way, I find it difficult to believe that nobody on the side of "Light or Love" has even spoken to their fellow successors and passed it down to the next generations. Almost the entire nation of Ishgar has no clue whereas it seems that Zeref and Alvarez know a lot about it.

As for Layla somehow being related to Zeref, that would be one of the greatest plot twist. If it does happen, my other question would be how does Jude not know and how was it not big news back then and big news now.

Other than that, I'm not sure how strong CS magic is. We've never really seen its full extent and we are about to see a whole new level of that magic now, so it will be interesting to keep tabs on that. Either way, the backstory will provide a lot of answers, especially revolving about the connection between Zeref, Mavis, and Layla.

 

[DemonKing888]

I don't think Layla would be related to Zeref by blood, if Zeref was Layla's father that would make Natsu Lucy's Uncle which would make it kinda gross if their relationship goes beyond friendship which it might.

But I do believe Zeref has a contection to Celestial Magic. The Spirit King and Mard Geer knew each-other before hand, and Jackal commented on Lucy's magic when they first fought.

Could it be possible that Etherious which are made out of pure Ethernano (Particles of Magic) and Celestial Spirits both be creations of Zeref.

 

[AAM1232]

I think Layla, Mavis and Zeref are only related in that they are wizards who may have some idea of what the One Magic may be. Remember that the manga is from Lucy's point of view so her thoughts about her mother may only serve to show her interest in learning about what the One Magic is. I personally don't think that Layla ever met Zeref or Mavis.

I don't think Layla would be related to Zeref by blood, if Zeref was Layla's father that would make Natsu Lucy's Uncle which would make it kinda gross if their relationship goes beyond friendship which it might.

But I do believe Zeref has a contection to Celestial Magic. The Spirit King and Mard Geer knew each-other before hand, and Jackal commented on Lucy's magic when they first fought.

Could it be possible that Etherious which are made out of pure Ethernano (Particles of Magic) and Celestial Spirits both be creations of Zeref.

My take on it is that Zeref somehow observed or studied the Celestial Spirits and then used his knowledge to make the Etherious Demons. After all, none of the spirits have shown any hints that Zeref may be their creator. It could be that while he was making the Etherious, some of them like Mard Geer ended up fighting against them by either entering their world (very unlikely) or when they were used by other mages and that's how the Spirit King met Mard. It could also explain how the Summoning of The CSK was discovered and MAYBE hint at Aquarius getting a new key and coming back.

 

[DemonKing888]

I think Layla, Mavis and Zeref are only related in that they are wizards who may have some idea of what the One Magic may be. Remember that the manga is from Lucy's point of view so her thoughts about her mother may only serve to show her interest in learning about what the One Magic is. I personally don't think that Layla ever met Zeref or Mavis.



My take on it is that Zeref somehow observed or studied the Celestial Spirits and then used his knowledge to make the Etherious Demons. After all, none of the spirits have shown any hints that Zeref may be their creator. It could be that while he was making the Etherious, some of them like Mard Geer ended up fighting against them by either entering their world (very unlikely) or when they were used by other mages and that's how the Spirit King met Mard. It could also explain how the Summoning of The CSK was discovered and MAYBE hint at Aquarius getting a new key and coming back.

True, Zeref may of Study the Celestial Spirit, for the simple fact that their bodies appear to be made up of pure Magic just like the Etherious. The Eclipse Gate supports this Theory for the simple fact that Zeref needed the 12 golden keys to open it.

Maybe that's why Ophiuchus's looks so different his original key was broken.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't think Layla would be related to Zeref by blood, if Zeref was Layla's father that would make Natsu Lucy's Uncle which would make it kinda gross if their relationship goes beyond friendship which it might.

But I do believe Zeref has a contection to Celestial Magic. The Spirit King and Mard Geer knew each-other before hand, and Jackal commented on Lucy's magic when they first fought.

Could it be possible that Etherious which are made out of pure Ethernano (Particles of Magic) and Celestial Spirits both be creations of Zeref.

Forget it being weird for Natsu and Lucy. If Zeref is able to sleep with a woman and get her pregnant, then I call bs on the whole Ankhseram curse thing being out of his control.

 

[Cosmicstar]

A man doesn't need to touch a woman to get her pregnant.

Celestial Spirits existed before Zeref was even cursed. He needed them in order for the eclipse gate to work. He based his plans off their magic. I assume he was a celestial Spirit mage at one point as the only way he would have known time flows different in the celestial world is if a Celestial Spirit told him or he went to the Spirit world himself. Only reason Husui knew was because it was written in the Book of Zeref.

I always thought that his etherious demons was based off of Celestial Spirits. I also never got how END invented Curses when it was Zeref he created them and gave them their powers in order for them to kill him. As far as Layla is concerned I really don't know. I always had a feeling she was more connected to Zeref then the dragons.

My theory is that Zeref created her to be his daughter. He wanted someone to love and who he could be around and a successor to his empire but seeing as he can't get close to humans he made a pure Etherious. She wasn't happy so she left the empire like Lucy left the Heartfillia residence. Given all the magic in the air over time her body began to deteriorate because Magic is to demons as Demon particles is to Humans, poison.

Just my crack theory though.

 

[Axiomus]

So what? Artificial insemination? That involves Zeref touching himself... Eww. Why would Zeref create Layla to be a demon? It's not like she had to be revived. Also, demons don't deteriorate when coming in contact with magic in the air. Mard Geer has been around for a long time. Speaking of other demons, why can't he just hang around with Kyouka? She's an Etherious. Hell, doesn't he already have Natsu? If he wants a successor, the guys literally his brother.

Sorry, but I find the idea of Layla being Zeref's daughter to be super silly.

 

[AAM1232]

So what? Artificial insemination? That involves Zeref touching himself... Eww.
Why would Zeref create Layla to be a demon? It's not like she had to be revived.
Also, demons don't deteriorate when coming in contact with magic in the air.
Mard Geer has been around for a long time.

Sorry, but I find the idea of Layla being Zeref's daughter to be super silly.

Same here, I don't see any relation between Layla and Zeref, except for being mages who were trying to understand what the One Magic is. Can someone explain to me why people think that Zeref and Layla have a deeper connection?

 

[DemonKing888]

Explain to me how the thought of Layla(Daughter) Zeref(Father) Natsu (Uncle) and Lucy(Grand-Daughter/Niece) works in a story where the two main characters follow in love?

This is the backlash Fairytail would get, I doubt Hiro would go that far.

 

[Nizen]

Same here, I don't see any relation between Layla and Zeref, except for being mages who were trying to understand what the One Magic is. Can someone explain to me why people think that Zeref and Layla have a deeper connection?

It might be because Layla had knowledge about One Magic, something only Zeref is known to have the closest clue about.

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[Kauia]

I can't think Layla and Zeref as related. Only that they know what One magic is. They're one of the few who know what it really is. Layla might be not from the era we think she. Maybe even older than Zeref. What if she was once immortal but after the incident which might caused her to die slowly(illness), possibly due to a battle before 777, she became mortal and aged like everyone else or during that incident, Laylo got so weak, she could no longer afford to use much magic. It might be the price of using one magic or something related. Then again, another strange thing, Lucy had yet to meet Zeref. It was like they almost met but possibly did not, due to Lucy's luck.

If the day she died is the day when the dragons went inside the dragon slayers, I think it's because Layla might be the one who might be summoning the dragons in Earthland. Because she died, the dragons had to go inside the dragon slayers.

Just a thought clicked to me. It occurs to me that Celestial Magic is awfully an opposite to Zeref like his demons in his book. Instead of demons there are Celestial spirits. Remember Loke was amazed that Lucy just summoned the Celestial King out of will. What if Celestial Spirits are closely linked to Layla and Lucy. Something like they were created originally she made or might have created to begin with. There's also where Zeref's demons uses curse, Layla and Lucy has an abnormal luck. Jude mentioned that Lucy was just as blessed as her Mom. Saying something like blessed meaning Layla was also Lucky.

 

[kkck]

I just thought of something about Layla Heartfilia having an intense connection in the future events in Fairy Tail
What we all know up until this point:
Celestial spirit magic has been an instrumental in activating Zeref's invention, Eclipse.
She died on the same date as the dragons got inside the body of DS. Through these facts, there has been a lot of speculation that she might be responsible for this incident.
She mentions One Magic to Lucy, something that Zeref is extremely connected to.
And most probably, Layla is the oldest CS wizard we've known.

Celestial Magic for all we know, also helped to demolish Alegria, a curse spell used by Tartarus, again Zeref's property. Galaxia blade was strong enough to unleash "the light" that could wipe away darkness(Curse). One Magic again, has been related to Light(Love) and Darkness. Taking these into consideration, CS magic is a dangerous asset. Zeref is apparently the only wizard who has found the other way around to reach One Magic (Anti-Ether/Curse magic, darkness) and Layla having knowledge about One Magic and also being a mage who's extremely useful to Zeref can't be a mere coincidence, can it? There is some connection between them.

Question time:
Did Zeref raise her in Alvarez and he made her marry Jude to gain access to financial resources or something close?
Did she become a disciple of Zeref or is she...you know, his daughter?

Edit: CS magic probably is strong enough to cancel out Curse used by demons. How?
Post your thoughts below!!

We can't rule out layla originating from alvarez however I am pretty sure we can rule out her marrying judo for resources. It seems out of character and as far as we know judo became rich after marrying her. I mean, we know he was working at a merchant guild and he went independent shortly before they had lucy. Its completely possible layla's death was because of her past catching up with her so to speak.

The interesting bit about allegria is that the magic the celestial spirit king used a light which seems surprisingly similar to law. We know what "etherius" means, that is the name given to the beings zeref made out of aether, pure magic. The celestial spirits are as far as we know immortal, they can be defeated but not killed by injuries. And they recover by going back to the celestial plane. In that regard it would make a disturbing amount of sense that they are some form of etherius. The big question would be why exactly zeref created them though.

 

[MangerDan]

Layla also retired as a full time mage at a rather young age as well she was 16, which raises more questions as to what happened to her.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I don't see any connection between Layla and Zeref. What I've gotten from the manga is that Layla had an opinion on what magic was, and how that related to the one magic, nothing else.

 

[Nizen]

So it turns out that the "Deep Abyss of Magic" is love. Layla Heartfilia really knew about this. She is becoming more and more relevant to this arc.

 

[AAM1232]

Hopefully we get to see more about her and maybe learn something about Celestial Magic that way.

For example, Lucy researches about some obscure method to get back Aquarius' Golden Key, finds stuff related to her mom, meets some people who knew her and so on.... Although right now wouldn't be a good time, maybe after the Alvarez War arc

 

[SirSamuel016]

So it turns out that the "Deep Abyss of Magic" is love. Layla Heartfilia really knew about this. She is becoming more and more relevant to this arc.

Even now that the One Magic was confirmed to involve love, I still don't think Layla will nor should play a part in the story to come. I don't see how she could even be relevant to the story now. She's already dead, and she left her theory on what the one magic was. I don't see how that and the one magic actually involving love even justifies her to be in the story any further than what we've already been told about her.

 

[LadinEz]

Yes! I do believe there is a connection, though I doubt he's her father. That is just irrelevant. I mean she could have been a student under Zeref's supervision, that could somehow make sense, though I don't know how she would have stayed alive with him around her unless, she was something like Mavis-before she got cursed, that is.

One more thing. They never actually mentioned that much about Layla's death other than a being an 'illness'. This makes it fishy. Because believe me, when a story is over with, all details would have been given, and here they haven't given details. Besides, Lucy needs some heart-moving calamity for her to get powerful, though the Tartarus thing made her better, she still has a long way to go. Something about her mother being involved-killed by Zeref for example(just a suggestion), would be so good. It would do the same as it did to Gray when losing Silver.