He kinda would. Plus, the main difference between Lucy and Erza, like I said, is how friendly and inviting Lucy is. Natsu could be closer to Erza and still be more drawn towards hanging out with Lucy purely because she's more patient. And Natsu tends to provoke people, and it's usually Erza or Makarov that beats the shit out of him for being an idiot.
Makes sense as they're a team, so they spent time earning trust and relying on each other. But then, Juvia did say she liked Gajeel, while Gray and Cana were into each other. Now it's all different, so who knows.
But it does seem to be one of the selling points.
HOw often do Gray and Jellal grope Juvia or Erza? And does it seem forced and/or fan servicey? I don't remember them doing it much or it looking bad. And di Juvia and Erza mind or complain? If they did, then there should be an issue. If Lucy didn't complain, then I'd have less issue with it. And Gajeel beating up Levy was redeemed when he turned into a good guy and showed he cares about Levy. As you mentioned with Lucy and Natsu, growth and evolution.
I can't see the picture, but I'm assuming her reaction was probably due to Natsu doing smething to save them.
Again, Natsu said himself that he is closest with Lucy and Happy. The fact that they are generally spending more time with each other only compounds this. Natsu and Lucy have only grown noticeably closer since volume 19, which was around the Oracion Seis arc. We haven't really seen the same type of growth between Natsu and Erza. This was the picture I was trying to link. This happened like 15-20 minutes after the boob grope. She rushed to hug him for comfort, which is an odd thing to do if you held a grudge against someone.
I just realized that from Axi's post, Gray -at that time- is closest to Cana and Erza, but now we barely see him talk with her. Same for Gajeel and Juvia, they should have interacted more because they were former guild mates. I really didn't like what Mashima did with this.
I'm also surprised we didn't get to see Gray on Juvia's list of people she's close to, since she was always sticking with him since she joined FT.
I just realized that from Axi's post, Gray -at that time- is closest to Cana and Erza, but now we barely see him talk with her. Same for Gajeel and Juvia, they should have interacted more because they were former guild mates. I really didn't like what Mashima did with this.
I'm also surprised we didn't get to see Gray on Juvia's list of people she's close to, since she was always sticking with him since she joined FT.
Fairy Girls is a spinoff. It's not the canon story.
When Ultear asked Meredy who Juvia was, in Tenrou, she replied "She's close to Gray". And Meredy barely knew her...
Doubt Juvia post/during GMG wouldn't consider herself "close" to Gray, honestly, even if she's really humble
The interview was bundled with volume 19, I believe, so that would put it at around the Oracion Seis arc. The relationships have inenvitably changed since then. Juvia and Gray have been shown to be very close during the GMG arc, and in the current arc they are basically canon. There was a moment during the beginning of the Edolas arc where Gray and Juvia were eating something sticky. Personally, I would peg that as the point where they became really started to bond.
The interview was bundled with volume 19, I believe, so that would put it at around the Oracion Seis arc. The relationships have inenvitably changed since then. Juvia and Gray have been shown to be very close during the GMG arc, and in the current arc they are basically canon. There was a moment during the beginning of the Edolas arc where Gray and Juvia were eating something sticky. Personally, I would peg that as the point where they became really started to bond.
Ah I didn't see that. Well, I don't doubt Juvia is close to Lucy. I don't think she's closer to Lucy than she is with Gray though, at least not in the current arc. And not really during Tartarus either.
Again, Natsu said himself that he is closest with Lucy and Happy. The fact that they are generally spending more time with each other only compounds this. Natsu and Lucy have only grown noticeably closer since volume 19, which was around the Oracion Seis arc. We haven't really seen the same type of growth between Natsu and Erza. This was the picture I was trying to link. This happened like 15-20 minutes after the boob grope. She rushed to hug him for comfort, which is an odd thing to do if you held a grudge against someone.
Again though, that just shows what Natsu represents to her, and why even when she's angry at sexual assaults, she can't stay angry for too long. As someone said, Natsu not only brought her into FT, but he's also defended her and her right to stay with FT and against all odds and dangers kept getting up to fight for the guild. I can't imagine Lucy staying mad at Natsu for too long.
In any case, I can't help but feel if Natsu raped Lucy, Natsu-Lucy shippers would defend it and claim it's not rape, and call it relationship development. This may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the vibe I get whenever the supporters defend fan service. I mean, it's one thing if Lucy doesn't show she has any problem with it, but kinda messed up to defend boob-grabbing when we know she doesn't like it, regardless of Natsu doing it intentionally or not.
Again though, that just shows what Natsu represents to her, and why even when she's angry at sexual assaults, she can't stay angry for too long. As someone said, Natsu not only brought her into FT, but he's also defended her and her right to stay with FT and against all odds and dangers kept getting up to fight for the guild. I can't imagine Lucy staying mad at Natsu for too long.
In any case, I can't help but feel if Natsu raped Lucy, Natsu-Lucy shippers would defend it and claim it's not rape, and call it relationship development. This may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the vibe I get whenever the supporters defend fan service. I mean, it's one thing if Lucy doesn't show she has any problem with it, but kinda messed up to defend boob-grabbing when we know she doesn't like it, regardless of Natsu doing it intentionally or not.
Like I always say, Lucy is the ultimate judge on how she reacts to Natsu's actions towards her. If she's praising him for his positivity and hugging him for comfort, then she probably doesn't hold the boob grabbing against him - especially if she knows he wasn't doing it to hurt her. If Lucy isn't mad at Natsu, I don't see why I should be. If you were to go up to Natsu when Lucy is hugging him, and started reprimanding him for touching her breasts and tried to throw him in jail... do you think Lucy would be happy about it?
Nevertheless, I don't see why I shouldn't consider it a sexual assault when she still is against her boobs being grabbed. I'm sure Lucy would side with me or anyone who reprimanded Natsu for touching her boobs (or touching it too long if it's unintentional) until/unless it got too serious. If Natsu-Lucy didn't have fans, or if Natsu wasn't popular, hopefully more readers would have a problem with it.
Hell I like Gildarts as well, and I still think it's creepy how lewd he sometimes behaves around Cana. Am I a "hater" by some members' definition?
Nevertheless, I don't see why I shouldn't consider it a sexual assault when she still is against her boobs being grabbed. I'm sure Lucy would side with me or anyone who reprimanded Natsu for touching her boobs (or touching it too long if it's unintentional) until/unless it got too serious. If Natsu-Lucy didn't have fans, or if Natsu wasn't popular, hopefully more readers would have a problem with it.
Hell I like Gildarts as well, and I still think it's creepy how lewd he sometimes behaves around Cana. Am I a "hater" by some members' definition?
This is humor. Do not be so serious about small pranks. Makarov constantly groping girls in the guild but still he still considers them his children.
They do not see him as a pedophile and rapist. The same goes for Lucy and Natsu
Again, Natsu said himself that he is closest with Lucy and Happy. The fact that they are generally spending more time with each other only compounds this. Natsu and Lucy have only grown noticeably closer since volume 19, which was around the Oracion Seis arc. We haven't really seen the same type of growth between Natsu and Erza. This was the picture I was trying to link. This happened like 15-20 minutes after the boob grope. She rushed to hug him for comfort, which is an odd thing to do if you held a grudge against someone.
Maybe Laki has no friends and listed random people?
As for the boob grap, he did it because she was nekkid and needed to cover up. This is classic manga where shojo and shonen have perverted moments as relationship development because it caters to the Japanese audience.
Again though, that just shows what Natsu represents to her, and why even when she's angry at sexual assaults, she can't stay angry for too long. As someone said, Natsu not only brought her into FT, but he's also defended her and her right to stay with FT and against all odds and dangers kept getting up to fight for the guild. I can't imagine Lucy staying mad at Natsu for too long.
In any case, I can't help but feel if Natsu raped Lucy, Natsu-Lucy shippers would defend it and claim it's not rape, and call it relationship development. This may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the vibe I get whenever the supporters defend fan service. I mean, it's one thing if Lucy doesn't show she has any problem with it, but kinda messed up to defend boob-grabbing when we know she doesn't like it, regardless of Natsu doing it intentionally or not.
The only way that can happen would be in the Stone Age Omake. He's too awkward/sterotypical shonen mc to do that in canon. Your problem isn't the ship itself but the sexual assult as relationship progression? I think everyone agrees but if we took manga too literal than no one would enjoy it.
The only way that can happen would be in the Stone Age Omake. He's too awkward/sterotypical shonen mc to do that in canon. Your problem isn't the ship itself but the sexual assult as relationship progression? I think everyone agrees but if we took manga too literal than no one would enjoy it.
He's not an awkward main character though, just stereotypical in that he's asexual. My problem is the arguments for the ship, not just sexual assault. Most fans of the ship don't agree, they insist boob touching/fan service is progress, but some also insist that Gray and Juvia barely had any development. Makes no sense.
Nevertheless, I don't see why I shouldn't consider it a sexual assault when she still is against her boobs being grabbed. I'm sure Lucy would side with me or anyone who reprimanded Natsu for touching her boobs (or touching it too long if it's unintentional) until/unless it got too serious. If Natsu-Lucy didn't have fans, or if Natsu wasn't popular, hopefully more readers would have a problem with it.
Hell I like Gildarts as well, and I still think it's creepy how lewd he sometimes behaves around Cana. Am I a "hater" by some members' definition?
Lucy gets extremely embarrassed by what happened and would chastise Natsu in the initial moment, but she knows that he meant her no harm. She doesn't dwell on it. Again, this is Lucy like 2 minutes after the boob grab scene. She's pretty much completely forgiven him by this point. This is not how you typically view someone who you think sexually assaulted you.
It's not like all the fanservice scenes are initiated by Natsu either. There was only one time in which Natsu intentionally touched her breasts. Some fanservice moments happens from circumstances out of Natsu's control. Lucy warming Natsu naked was done out of Lucy's own free will. When she's drunk, Lucy rubbed her body against Natsu's. We have small fanservice moments of her hugging Natsu's face against her breasts. Moments like these can't really be Natsu's fault, can they?
I never said she thought or should think it's sexual assault, but it is sexual assault regardless when she doesn't like it. She may forgive Natsu and move on, but almost every time it happens she feels uncomfortable or hates it when he does that. Sexual assault.
And I'm still talking about Natsu touching her boobs with his hands, not Lucy hugging Natsu against her boobs or even the clock (starts with A-something?) saving and stripping Natsu and Lucy in him. Lucy stripping naked and hugging Natsu may be shitty fan service, but it makes sense in keeping him warm.
He's not an awkward main character though, just stereotypical in that he's asexual. My problem is the arguments for the ship, not just sexual assault. Most fans of the ship don't agree, they insist boob touching/fan service is progress, but some also insist that Gray and Juvia barely had any development. Makes no sense.
Which other ones? They started as friends that care deeply for each other. Why would that be wrong? I agree the fanservice moments should be left as comic relief not progression but to think Nalu is just fanservice is kinda one dimensional and avoids the other progressions like the hugging/thanking each other after battles and working together. They remind me of an old married couple the way they interact during serious moments.
I never said she thought or should think it's sexual assault, but it is sexual assault regardless when she doesn't like it. She may forgive Natsu and move on, but almost every time it happens she feels uncomfortable or hates it when he does that. Sexual assault.
And I'm still talking about Natsu touching her boobs with his hands, not Lucy hugging Natsu against her boobs or even the clock (starts with A-something?) saving and stripping Natsu and Lucy in him. Lucy stripping naked and hugging Natsu may be shitty fan service, but it makes sense in keeping him warm.
Natsu didn't touch Lucy's breasts with any sexual intentions. He wasn't trying to embarrass her or gain any pleasure from it. He was just too dense to realize that he should cover his eyes instead of her breasts. Lucy probably knows Natsu well enough to know this, and that's why she doesn't think it's sexual assault. Again, Lucy's feelings on the matter is really what's important.
Besides, doesn't this kind of go both ways? Lucy came flying through the air and smothered Natsu's face with her boobs. Natsu was complaining about his eyes. If a girl tackled me out of nowhere and smothered me with her boobs, I would call that a form sexual assault as well. From Natsu's perspective, Lucy was the pervert. But imo, it's silly to say that Natsu and Lucy sexually assaulted each other minutes apart in the same scene. A dragon stripped Lucy and threw her into Natsu. You can say that Natsu was being an idiot when he covered Lucy's breasts instead of his eyes, but he wasn't trying to rape Lucy.
Ah I didn't see that. Well, I don't doubt Juvia is close to Lucy. I don't think she's closer to Lucy than she is with Gray though, at least not in the current arc. And not really during Tartarus either.
Nevertheless, I don't see why I shouldn't consider it a sexual assault when she still is against her boobs being grabbed. I'm sure Lucy would side with me or anyone who reprimanded Natsu for touching her boobs (or touching it too long if it's unintentional) until/unless it got too serious. If Natsu-Lucy didn't have fans, or if Natsu wasn't popular, hopefully more readers would have a problem with it.
Hell I like Gildarts as well, and I still think it's creepy how lewd he sometimes behaves around Cana. Am I a "hater" by some members' definition?
Typically romance starts out more like a drug, which is very promoted by Hollywood. On the flip side... in movies like When Harry Met Sally and Some Kind of Wonderful, you have friends that grow to love each other or friends that suddenly realize they are in love. Those movies are more the type of relationship that I think Nalu is. Especially Some Kind of Wonderful because early in the movie, you had two best friends, and the girl realized she was crushing on the guy. The guy didn't realize until the end of the movie. Also I would like to point out with When Harry Met Sally, the two were closer to each other than anyone they dated which became a problem. Who wanted to date someone when they have a fake boyfriend/girlfriend model in their best friend? Also their friendship developed over like 10 years so even if they had not been romantically involved, they were still closer than many married people out there. @Axiomus
The second stage of love is the power struggle, which usually happens after the couple has been together awhile. This stage either makes or breaks you. While the first stage is all about compatibility with shots of chemicals to you brain to give you fake highs. This stages is all about your differences. What shit can your partner handle from you? What can you handle about them? To some extent I think this is shown in Mr. and Mrs. Smith even though they had been together for awhile. You have them neglecting each other because they have grown apart. The fact that they are rival spies brings to the table everything that was wrong in their marriage and forces them to see why It was failing. To me this is classic ToH Jerza, of course Jerza has developed from here, but you can see with how they split apart (Jellal's guilt) they are still working on issues.
The third stage is based around the thrill of being in love once you have survived the power struggle, it returns to an even deeper, more mature form. In this stage, it finally becomes very clear that you’re never ever going to succeed in changing your partnerand you’ve given up the desire to. To me this is Gruvia, while Gray has not been consistent in his portrayal, one can argue that starting with their early partnership and moving to Gray wanting more independence and then accepting Juvia... They went through the first two stages. I can't think of a movie about this but I can think of an old, old, old tv show based around this - I love Lucy. The two have been married for awhile. They have had there power struggle stage and while they are in love, the commitment is maybe less than stellar, Lucy still worries her husband is cheating, they both scheme to take the other out whatever plans they have for that episode (more Lucy than Ricky), they steal money from each other. While Lucy gives Ricky a headache, he still loves her in the end. And most of her antics were used for comedy too. @thatsvicchan
The fourth stage is the committed stage. This usually comes with just time. In the commitment stage, you fully surrender to the reality that you and your partner are human and that your relationship has shortcomings as a result. You have learned to love each other by having to like each other and you choose each other consciously. This is Gajevy. Normally the moments were more Gajeel initiated... but after awhile you had Levy to react (giving him Air, blushing, staying with him during the timeskip). Now you have a situation where they both choose each other and want to spend there life together. I think of the last half of A Walk to Remember, but also the Notebook. I don't know a Gajevy fan on this site to tag
The last part is the bliss stage where you are old and gray... with nobody else in the world for you. This is like Porlyusica and Makarov Zervis. @Emperor Spriggan do you have a movie for this one? .
I kind of looked at the panel as Juvia being asked something where she had to rank her friends as oppose to who she was closest too. As in she considers Gray more than a friend..... so a misunderstanding of the question. If Juvia were asked who she loves the most....... clearly we would know the answer.
