Discussion The Ten Commandments

[Demonspeed]

Dolor has 54K, but PLs don't show technique or Magic(it only rates Magic Power). That's the main reason they are so vague.

From 32,500 to 56,000? That almost doubles his freakin PL..... wait a second, does that imply that he could've easily reached a value around 150k with his full mark in that version that fought the 2 10C? Think about it, prior to getting any of his powers back he went from 3k (base) to 4k (partial) & then to a staggering 10k (supposedly full). This 56k value is roughly representing the 4k (partially Demonized) form. I could only imagine how absurdly powerful the 10k (fully Demonized) version would've been.

Wouldn't be surprised if we reached the 1 million value at this point tbh (this is the same author that made kongou banchou after all).

I'm even more hyped to see the Commandments at full power now since the Darkness gives them tremendous boost. Estarossa might be able to easily reached 100k with the full Darkness form & Zeldris even above that.

Meliodas's PoD is on another level. It boosts them but probably not as much as him.

 

[Yakkun]

I am not so sure, at least on numbers alone to me it seems like they should have been comparable. Mel's strength is obviously immense but dolor has 55k and has great strength and magic. His creation magic seems to work on a combination of strength and magic in general (his proportion of strength and magic is comparable to what diane and matrona have going on as well) which easily makes him comparable to mel. Gloxinia has 47k magic which is insane as well and the single highest amount of magic we have seen. Not to mention that in terms of sheer versatility he should far surpass mel and any other demon. And it is worth noting that full counter is basically useless against dolor and/or gloxinia in general.

He barely left them time to set up any of their better moves. Especially with Dolor it seems like the really large scale feats require some preparations via hand motions. That's simply difficult in mid-fight. And - escuse the RPG language - Gloxinia spent half of his "round" not attacking but patching up Dolor or himself. He probably also couldn't bring out his more powerful Chastiefol forms.

 

[kkck]

From 32,500 to 56,000? That more than doubles his freakin PL..... wait a second, does that imply that he could've easily reached a value around 150k with his full mark in that version that fought the 2 10C? Think about it, prior to getting any of his powers back he went from 3k (base) to 4k (partial) & then to a staggering 10k (supposedly full). This 56k value is roughly representing the 4k (partially Demonized) form. I could only imagine how absurdly powerful the 10k (fully Demonized) version would've been.

Wouldn't be surprised if we reached the 1 million value at this point tbh (this is the same author that made kongou banchou after all).

I'm even more hyped to see the Commandments at full power now since the Darkness gives them tremendous boost. Estarossa might be able to easily reached 100k with the full Darkness form & Zeldris even above that.

Well, it depends. If you look at the first times mel transformed he went from 3370 to 4400 to 10300. The first stage gave him a 30 something percent increase in pl and the second basically more than tripled his power. Now it seems like his ultimate transformation is the one he used against dolor and gloxinia which seems to be a bit different from his second stage early in the manga. Perhaps because now he can control the darkness. In any case, the increase does not seem to be proportional to what he had before. Before his demon mark tripled mel's 3370 to 10300 while against dolor and gloxinia it less than doubled it from 32500 to 56k. So mel's base form now is well stronger but his demon transformation does not necessarily have a proportional increase in power to what we have seen before. If mel's transformation was proportional (56/32.5=1.72) then from 60k he would just to about 103k. Which is a perfectly reasonable number. However given that his earlier transformations have not been proportional, I would argue this one won't be either. So my guess is that this transformation will actually be between 100k and 90k rather than above 100k. So mel's boost will be between 30 and 40 k when using his demon mark, a fair bit greater than the 23.5k he got before.

I don't think other demons actually have the same power of darkness as meliodas. There have been plenty of situations where they could have used such power and yet they haven't. Galan relied on his overdrive to increase his PL, estarosa did not use the power against escanor and zeldris did not seem to use the form to help estarosa. Derriere did not use it even when she saw she was at a disadvantage either. Dolor and gloxinia almost got killed a number of times and yet they did not transform. So either demons simply do not have more advanced demon transformations as mel does or for some reason they could not activate them.

 

[Demonspeed]

Derrierie used it once against Nerobasta.

 

[kkck]

He barely left them time to set up any of their better moves. Especially with Dolor it seems like the really large scale feats require some preparations via hand motions. That's simply difficult in mid-fight. And - escuse the RPG language - Gloxinia spent half of his "round" not attacking but patching up Dolor or himself. He probably also couldn't bring out his more powerful Chastiefol forms.

Well, the manga did make the point that meliodas went out of his way to keep them incapacitated. I doubt the issue was hand motions though. That would make dolor's entire fighting style laughably flawed even though his combat capacity is the stuff of legends. The drop of life gloxinia used does seem to takes its tool considering he said he wouldn't be able to use it for a while after healing merascylla. Which means his limit is about 5 drops of life more or less. So I guess the huge amount of damage they took from escanor along with the healing and then the damage they took from mel would account for everything in theory.

 

[Yakkun]

Well, the manga did make the point that meliodas went out of his way to keep them incapacitated. I doubt the issue was hand motions though. That would make dolor's entire fighting style laughably flawed even though his combat capacity is the stuff of legends. The drop of life gloxinia used does seem to takes its tool considering he said he wouldn't be able to use it for a while after healing merascylla. Which means his limit is about 5 drops of life more or less. So I guess the huge amount of damage they took from escanor along with the healing and then the damage they took from mel would account for everything in theory.

Not to mention the one drop of life Glox needlessly wasted on a demonstration, the rather unnecessary killing of the people in the labyrinth, Dolor setting up the labyrinth and the fighting stage in the first place as well as them creating their clones and powering them up. I guess all of these also factor into the equation a bit.

 

[kkck]

Derrierie used it once against Nerobasta.

I am not quite sure that is the same though. Granted her mark went crazy but it does not seem like that had the same effect as when mel uses his more advanced transformations. For one thing, no one actually noted derriere's power suddenly about doubling. Rather than an actual transformation in a comparable sense to mel's transformations to me it seems like that merely reflected how pissed off deriere was.

 

[Demonspeed]

You really don't like what happened in this fight Yakkun . No matter how you think about it, it doesn't make sense if you only consider their Power Levels. Just wait for their return, Dolor and Gloxinia will redeem themselves hopefully.

I am not quite sure that is the same though. Granted her mark went crazy but it does not seem like that had the same effect as when mel uses his more advanced transformations. For one thing, no one actually noted derriere's power suddenly about doubling. Rather than an actual transformation in a comparable sense to mel's transformations to me it seems like that merely reflected how pissed off deriere was.

They didn't talk about her PL but it's not really necessary to notify that. The transformations look similar and when it happened Nerobasta lost all hope and decided to talk.

 

[Kay3795]

Well, it depends. If you look at the first times mel transformed he went from 3370 to 4400 to 10300. The first stage gave him a 30 something percent increase in pl and the second basically more than tripled his power. Now it seems like his ultimate transformation is the one he used against dolor and gloxinia which seems to be a bit different from his second stage early in the manga. Perhaps because now he can control the darkness. In any case, the increase does not seem to be proportional to what he had before. Before his demon mark tripled mel's 3370 to 10300 while against dolor and gloxinia it less than doubled it from 32500 to 56k. So mel's base form now is well stronger but his demon transformation does not necessarily have a proportional increase in power to what we have seen before. If mel's transformation was proportional (56/32.5=1.72) then from 60k he would just to about 103k. Which is a perfectly reasonable number. However given that his earlier transformations have not been proportional, I would argue this one won't be either. So my guess is that this transformation will actually be between 100k and 90k rather than above 100k. So mel's boost will be between 30 and 40 k when using his demon mark, a fair bit greater than the 23.5k he got before.

I don't think other demons actually have the same power of darkness as meliodas. There have been plenty of situations where they could have used such power and yet they haven't. Galan relied on his overdrive to increase his PL, estarosa did not use the power against escanor and zeldris did not seem to use the form to help estarosa. Derriere did not use it even when she saw she was at a disadvantage either. Dolor and gloxinia almost got killed a number of times and yet they did not transform. So either demons simply do not have more advanced demon transformations as mel does or for some reason they could not activate them.

At no point in that battle did Meliodas utilised his supposed full Demonize form which looks like this

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[kkck]

They didn't talk about her PL but it's not really necessary to notify that. The transformations look similar and when it happened Nerobasta lost all hope and decided to talk.

Well, nerobasta never saw derriere before she went crazy. She only saw deriere when she was already like that. And her reaction to deriere in general was "NOPE, fuck this". And it would still be weird that absolute no demon used the transformation even though it would have saved their lives.

 

[Kay3795]

Speaking of Nerobasta, I'd like to see what the scouter says about her PL.

 

[Yakkun]

You really don't like what happened in this fight Yakkun . No matter how you think about it, it doesn't make sense if you only consider their Power Levels. Just wait for their return, Dolor and Gloxinia will redeem themselves hopefully.



They didn't talk about her PL but it's not really necessary to notify that. The transformations look similar and when it happened Nerobasta lost all hope and decided to talk.

They better do, otherwise this will be the greatest waste of a fight in NNT's history considering on what epic proportions it happened and was set up for.

 

[Gaggen]

I don't think the demons are as strong as the goddess without Meliodas. Meliodas kept the goddess at standby soon he left the demon side it was basically open season.

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How is it absurd, the Goddess feared Meliodas so it's not hard to believe that Prime Meliodas is stronger then the entire Goddess race.

We are not sure weither all goddesses feared him or maybe some of them does... estarossa make meliodas look like hell of a great just because he is his fanboy. I dont really take estarossa words for granted except for him being the strongest demon...By the way godesses asked ban to kill meliodas to revive elaine despite knowing his power.Hell the goddess in the horn even mocked him and how is that fearful????
And we all know that most godesses are basically magical type users. Meliodas full counter to such attacks is another factor why they dare not make a move on him.

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Depending on which translation (jaiminisbox.com) you read there are certain Goddess the Ten Commandments didn't go near. Giving what we know now its most likely those were the 4 Angels & Estarosaa said even those Goddesses didn't dare to go near Meliodas.

I don't think the DK is stronger then Prime Meliodas because why would the Goddess attack the Demons after Meliodas left if the Demon King was stronger.

Estarossa didnt mentioned specifically about the great 4. He was speaking generally about them...

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Well, you have to consider that meliodas at that point was far from his prime. His transformation even ran out shortly after that. Meliodas had quite rough fight with dolor and gloxinia and took a lot of damage. Mel's power at that stage could have been greater than zeldris' but if we factor in his exhaustion it's not weird that zeldris was able to do that.

I respect your point of view but it can also mean that 61k is zeldris base.. he was ok when fighting zeldris and took around 2-3 attack from dolor and gloxinia which he must have healed back then.... even estarossa was faster than ban who was faster than mel...

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

We are not sure weither all goddesses feared him or maybe some of them does... estarossa make meliodas look like hell of a great just because he is his fanboy. I dont really take estarossa words for granted except for him being the strongest demon...By the way godesses asked ban to kill meliodas to revive elaine despite knowing his power.Hell the goddess in the horn even mocked him and how is that fearful????
And we all know that most godesses are basically magical type users. Meliodas full counter to such attacks is another factor why they dare not make a move on him.

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Estarossa didnt mentioned specifically about the great 4. He was speaking generally about them...

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I respect your point of view but it can also mean that 61k is zeldris base.. he was ok when fighting zeldris and took around 2-3 attack from dolor and gloxinia which he must have healed back then.... even estarossa was faster than ban who was faster than mel...

The fact that there was a peace treaty between the Demons & Goddess that was abandon as soon as Meliodas betrayed the Demons tell you that they feared Meliodas.

We both know Meliodas didn't have the same power then that he do now & the fact that at that time the one person that can disrupt the harmony between the four clans is Meliodas instead of Fraudrin who was trying revive the demon clan basically tell you that the goddess were more afraid of Meliodas then the Demon resurrection.

You mean how Fraudrin was mocking Meliodas but then was sweating bricks soon he realize the old Meliodas was back.

We don't know that most Godesses are basically magical type users we only know that they all know ark. Just like all demons can use black fire.

https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/nanatsu_no_taizai/en/0/176/1/page/7 The only goddesses Estarosaa could be talking about is the 4 angels especially after what Monspeet said to Derrière.

 

[Gaggen]

The fact that there was a peace treaty between the Demons & Goddess that was abandon as soon as Meliodas betrayed the Demons tell you that they feared Meliodas.

We both know Meliodas didn't have the same power then that he do now & the fact that at that time the one person that can disrupt the harmony between the four clans is Meliodas instead of Fraudrin who was trying revive the demon clan basically tell you that the goddess were more afraid of Meliodas then the Demon resurrection.

You mean how Fraudrin was mocking Meliodas but then was sweating bricks soon he realize the old Meliodas was back.

We don't know that most Godesses are basically magical type users we only know that they all know ark. Just like all demons can use black fire.

https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/nanatsu_no_taizai/en/0/176/1/page/7 The only goddesses Estarosaa could be talking about is the 4 angels especially after what Monspeet said to Derrière.

Not necessary. The thing is estarossa never mentioned about 4 angels. He could hinting the likes of nerobasta since she also feared derriere who have lower power level than meliodas..... aheem i think everyone here knows that godesses are magic type users funny how you actually dont know about it... i dont know weither godesses are afraid of demons or mel more but even meliodas feared them commandments since he clenched his fists and looked nervous when they were released. He even ran to merlin to talk about them and to get his power back. I dont think all demons can use black fire since galan never used it so did derrerie and even fraudrin......
And estarossa was mentioning the godesses they couldnt touch back then because they were quite young. A short flashback of young estarossa was shown struggling against a godess/god...

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Not necessary. The thing is estarossa never mentioned about 4 angels. He could hinting the likes of nerobasta since she also feared derriere who have lower power level than meliodas..... aheem i think everyone here knows that godesses are magic type users funny how you actually dont know about it... i dont know weither godesses are afraid of demons or mel more but even meliodas feared them commandments since he clenched his fists and looked nervous when they were released. He even ran to merlin to talk about them and to get his power back. I dont think all demons can use black fire since galan never used it so did derrerie and even fraudrin......
And estarossa was mentioning the godesses they couldnt touch back then because they were quite young. A short flashback of young estarossa was shown struggling against a godess/god...

Not necessary. The thing is estarossa never mentioned about 4 angels. He could hinting the likes of nerobasta since she also feared derriere who have lower power level than meliodas..... aheem i think everyone here knows that godesses are magic type users funny how you actually dont know about it... i dont know weither godesses are afraid of demons or mel more but even meliodas feared them commandments since he clenched his fists and looked nervous when they were released. He even ran to merlin to talk about them and to get his power back. I dont think all demons can use black fire since galan never used it so did derrerie and even fraudrin......
And estarossa was mentioning the godesses they couldnt touch back then because they were quite young. A short flashback of young estarossa was shown struggling against a godess/god...

Monspeet basically said if it was a 4 angels Derrière would of died that falls in line with what Estarosaa said about Goddesses the Ten Commandments couldn't touch.

Why will Estarosaa be talking about a low level goddesses fearing Meliodas it make no sense?

Find me the source for all the Goddesses being magic type user we know they have the power of light to counteract the demon clan darkness that is all we know about their powers.

Meliodas feared them at the time because he didn't have his power which why he immediately went to Merlin to get his power back. He didn't fear them when Merlin sent him 2 them in ten seconds when they could of jumped him. He didn't even feared them when they did jump him.

 

[Gaggen]

Monspeet basically said if it was a 4 angels Derrière would of died that falls in line with what Estarosaa said about Goddesses the Ten Commandments couldn't touch.

Why will Estarosaa be talking about a low level goddesses fearing Meliodas it make no sense?

Find me the source for all the Goddesses being magic type user we know they have the power of light to counteract the demon clan darkness that is all we know about their powers.

Meliodas feared them at the time because he didn't have his power which why he immediately went to Merlin to get his power back. He didn't fear them when Merlin sent him 2 them in ten seconds when they could of jumped him. He didn't even feared them when they did jump him.

http://www1.mangafreak.net/Read1_Nanatsu_No_Taizai_176_7
Check that out and the next page. Estarossa was struggling and meliodas came in and slice it into half..... thats what he meant.... he used the word back then because during meliodas reign they all were young and inexperienced especially estarossa to fight the godesses. Tell me did estarossa said that the great four feared meliodas??? I admit that there is no proof up to date that shows godesses are magical users but its your turn to proof your words... i have seen godesses and druids only using magic so far in battle and thats why i said so... whatever estarossa said was based on general. He was not specific about it.

 

[Rescorlian]

Actually, Meliodas now has the same PL as Zeldris and Estarossa. I'm more concerned why they seem to not be able to use some kind of transformation like Meliodas. We only saw Estarossa's darkness to heal his wounds, not to transform him in a boosted-up state. Why would his brothers not be able to use the same power is what interrogates me

 

[Demonspeed]

Not necessary. The thing is estarossa never mentioned about 4 angels. He could hinting the likes of nerobasta since she also feared derriere who have lower power level than meliodas..... aheem i think everyone here knows that godesses are magic type users funny how you actually dont know about it... i dont know weither godesses are afraid of demons or mel more but even meliodas feared them commandments since he clenched his fists and looked nervous when they were released. He even ran to merlin to talk about them and to get his power back. I dont think all demons can use black fire since galan never used it so did derrerie and even fraudrin......
And estarossa was mentioning the godesses they couldnt touch back then because they were quite young. A short flashback of young estarossa was shown struggling against a godess/god...

There is no way the Archangels are not included in this. They are the elite of the Goddess clan. People like Nerobasta are not enough against the Commandments.

Estarossa was young, it doesn't mean they were all young. They were afraid because Meliodas was too strong.

 

[Tristan]

Estarossa's statement about prime Meliodas definitely includes ALL Goddesses (with their Queen and the 4 archangels of course).