Discussion The Ten Commandments

[Rescorlian]

Personally, I'm currently not sold on the idea that Glox, Dolor, and Mel were successful in their venture to kill the Demon King.

Anyway, Glox probably didn't give a shit about anything after losing "the thing most precious to him" and was fine with burning the world down with the demons. Dolor probably saw the demons as strong and was fine with joining them to gain more strength for himself.

60K is probably more to his original strength, unless of course, falling in love actually made him lose his original power. He also had to get assistance from Glox and Dolor. Maybe those two were stronger as well back then for some reason? I'm biased towards Glox, so I wouldn't mind that being the case. Or maybe the DK was already dying and they got him while he was weaker.

I get what you say about Glonixia and Dolor. But to me it makes more sense for them to be part of the winning side. Again, knowing Meliodas had left the demon, they should have guessed the demon clan would not be able to keep up against the goddesses and the other clans. Therefor it seems in every way that it was a poor calcul they made joining the demon clan, because at the end they'd have been defeated.

I guess the demon clan offered strength to Dolor, something the goddesses didn't do. As for Glonixia... Actually he should have sided with the goddesses and ask them in return to revive the most precious thing he lost (assuming it's a living being). Or maybe he was just too pissed off about being betrayed

 

[ShadowHeart]

Man reading these post makes me really want a Great War flashback and the events leading up to it.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Man reading these post makes me really want a Great War flashback and the events leading up to it.

Yeah like a fairy tail zero but I think since are two main characters (Meliodas & Elizabeth) are part of the reason the war started I definitely think we are going 2 get a in story flashback I just hope it's long enough.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Yeah like a fairy tail zero but I think since are two main characters (Meliodas & Elizabeth) are part of the reason the war started I definitely think we are going 2 get a in story flashback I just hope it's long enough.

Yeah same wouldn't mind 2 or 3 volumes worth of content. Looking forward to what Merlin and Gowther were up to during the Great War as well.

 

[TarXan]

There is a Balor level update on the Taizai wiki. Apparently the new Meliodas&Elizabeth guidebook confirms that Meliodas level when he fought Dolor and Gloxinia with the mark on was Magic 3000 / Strength 50000 / Spirit 3000 = Total 56000.

Yeah.... a physical strength that rivals Estarossas. They simply couldn't stand a chance individually.

No wonder why he was able to match them so easily

Gloxinia strength stat is 0 and Drole's is 36k, managed to overwhelm them both with brute force

His new PL must be off the charts

3370 to 4400

32,500 to 56,000

60,000 to lord knows what

I thinks it's confirmed that Mel's demon Mark increases his PL based on the state of power he's in

For ex. He was limited in the first arc so he only jumped to 4K when the mark was active but now he got a huge boost

Also I don't even think his current form is max power, the DK didn't devour all of his emotions and the mark isn't complete

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At no point in that battle did Meliodas utilised his supposed full Demonize form which looks like this

Spoiler

I don't think this is his full demon form, Hellbram said his PL was growing, I think the darkness has to cover his entire body

 

[AiNana]

A gaiden would be nice. Starting to know and understand the tc and demon clan
How does a demon child look like? I'm imagining little Mel. When are tc created? The hierarchy etc?

 

[Kay3795]

I'll go out on a limb here & just say that the 10C experience similar difficulties/challenges Mel goes through when utilising the POD. The more prominent & berserk they make their mark appear, the greater their PLs; however the drawback to a greater increase in PL via POD is that it absorbs their rationality. Monspiet warning to Derriere, the only 10C to ever power-up via the POD, reinforces this theory & kinda explains their reluctance. "I understand how you feel, but it'll be in your best interest to show some restraint..."

So during their final battle, I predict 10C Berserkers fighting the SDS... (the SINs have a lot of powering-up to do lol).

 

[Yakkun]

No wonder why he was able to match them so easily

Gloxinia strength stat is 0 and Drole's is 36k, managed to overwhelm them both with brute force

His new PL must be off the charts

3370 to 4400

32,500 to 56,000

60,000 to lord knows what

I thinks it's confirmed that Mel's demon Mark increases his PL based on the state of power he's in

For ex. He was limited in the first arc so he only jumped to 4K when the mark was active but now he got a huge boost

Also I don't even think his current form is max power, the DK didn't devour all of his emotions and the mark isn't complete

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I don't think this is his full demon form, Hellbram said his PL was growing, I think the darkness has to cover his entire body

What is worthy of note is that in all those instanced neither his spirit nor his magically drastically changed. Most of the mark's effects go straight into physical strength.

 

[oxtopus]

I don't actually think the demon mark actually gives any sort of power boost at all. From what I've read here it seems to be speculated that the commandments demon mark could also go to another stage giving them a power boost similar to meliodas in his fight against galan.

But the problem here is that there seems to be a misunderstanding. I came to realize that there isn't any third demon stage that grants extra power like previously thought. What happened during meliodas fight wasn't meliodas getting a power boost from his mark but instead him deciding to release his full demon powers which ended up at 10,300pl.

The spread of darkness isn't a sign of power increase whatsoever but is instead just using more of the demon darkness. In meliodas case it's just the same as the commandments do. Just like derriere meliodas uses the darkness to cover his body. It isn't anything special,meliodas using his darkness like that doesn't mean he was getting a power boost. The darkness can be used however its user likes,but there isn't an instance where there becomes an actual power increase from using the darkness.

 

[Gaggen]

What is worthy of note is that in all those instanced neither his spirit nor his magically drastically changed. Most of the mark's effects go straight into physical strength.

No wonder he didnt approach estarossa and avoid him in any way possible...

 

[TarXan]

Holy shit I just realized the Commandments fought off 4+ clans without Meliodas, Gowther and the 2 Emerson Mel slaughtered

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Holy shit I just realized the Commandments fought off 4+ clans without Meliodas, Gowther and the 2 Emerson Mel slaughtered

But got crushed by three sins

 

[Rescorlian]

But got crushed by three sins

The irony indeed.

 

[Sylphe]

uuuh, it's not like the demon clan is only 10C + Grey/red/blue demons ! The point was made when the TC were freed that the demon clan didn't break free from the seal in all its entierty because the blood of the AOTG was not suffcient !
So it's very likely that the demon clan must have others individuals with high PL like Fraudrin who was just a regular demon since we now know that he was just a third rate subsitute of Gowther and not a real commandment !

Given that, it still make sense that even without Meliodas and Gowther, the demon clan remained extremely powerful !

 

[kkck]

I wonder about the curse meliodas has on him. Could it be a commandment that the demon king has? So far it seems like the demon has been able to maintain a curse over melioadas that transcends the demons kings death and it also transcends meliodas' own death. Given the information we have every bit of this is absolutely insane. Most magic is dispelled when the caster dies. So mel being cursed in death is a remarkably weird development.

 

[TarXan]

uuuh, it's not like the demon clan is only 10C + Grey/red/blue demons ! The point was made when the TC were freed that the demon clan didn't break free from the seal in all its entierty because the blood of the AOTG was not suffcient !
So it's very likely that the demon clan must have others individuals with high PL like Fraudrin who was just a regular demon since we now know that he was just a third rate subsitute of Gowther and not a real commandment !

Given that, it still make sense that even without Meliodas and Gowther, the demon clan remained extremely powerful !

Besides the 10C and DK all Demonkind are pretty much useless, especially when facing the Goddesses, Nerobasta was a fodder level GC member but almost obliterated Derieri, even Elizabeth too

Grey, Red and Blue are basically good for facing human/fairy level opponents

 

[BaseNeptune]

Besides the 10C and DK all Demonkind are pretty much useless, especially when facing the Goddesses, Nerobasta was a fodder level GC member but almost obliterated Derieri, even Elizabeth too

Grey, Red and Blue are basically good for facing human/fairy level opponents

Nerobasta wouldn't have obliterated anything, their magic is the direct counter towards the Demons darkness. And Elizabeth... is Elizabeth.

 

[Demonspeed]

A clash between Liones and Camelot is obvious now.

Dolor and Gloxinia are fine.
Estarossa is alive and probably unable to fight because of his hate for Escanor.
Monspiet and Derrierie must be alive.
Gray Lord is captured and Galan is petrified.

I guess all of them besides Gray Lord and Galan are healed and resting at Camelot. What do you think Zeldris will do for the final confrontation against the Sins? Do you think they Commandments will be the ones on the offensive for the next battle?

My predictions:

• Zeldris will find Galan and find a way to dispel the curse. It's possible that he can do this since he is the representative of the Demon King. If he can't, it means the resurrected DK will have to do it. Same for Estarossa if he happens to be affected by the Love.
• The brainwashed HKs will be turned into Reactors.
• Zeldris will attack Istar and use the blood of Druids to free all the Demons.

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I'm still waiting for zeldris to find out about what happened to his girl
And i hope estarossa isnt affected by his commandment and has a transformation up his sleeve

 

[kkck]

A clash between Liones and Camelot is obvious now.

Dolor and Gloxinia are fine.
Estarossa is alive and probably unable to fight because of his hate for Escanor.
Monspiet and Derrierie must be alive.
Gray Lord is captured and Galan is petrified.

I guess all of them besides Gray Lord and Galan are healed and resting at Camelot. What do you think Zeldris will do for the final confrontation against the Sins? Do you think they Commandments will be the ones on the offensive for the next battle?

My predictions:

• Zeldris will find Galan and find a way to dispel the curse. It's possible that he can do this since he is the representative of the Demon King. If he can't, it means the resurrected DK will have to do it. Same for Estarossa if he happens to be affected by the Love.
• The brainwashed HKs will be turned into Reactors.
• Zeldris will attack Istar and use the blood of Druids to free all the Demons.

Well, estarosa is a fairly experienced warrior as far as we know. And his mind works in incredibly twisted ways. Look back at when he killed meliodas. He cried genuine tears of sadness as he pierced each of mel's hearts. He was able to strike down someone he loved deeply without a speck of hesitation. The hatred thing is plausible but I don't think his emotions would go awry enough to impede him from fighting in the future.

This is hard to say... In theory the commandments have the means to recover almost instantly. Gloxinia can heal their wounds pretty much instantly and they seem to have enough humans to recover the bulk of their magic. It shouldn't take more than a few days for them to recover overall. On the other hand the sins don't necessarily have the advantage here. As of now the sins that are capable of standing up to the commandments are meliodas, merlin and escanor (depending on whether its daytime). Ban could plausibly do something but he would need help. The 12k or so strength he can apparently steal could easily turn a battle. But on his own he is basically worthless. Diane might be able to do something considering her golem can stand up to dolor's but it wouldn't be more than ban can do. King is perhaps close to being able to hold his ground against a commandment (I think his power must have increased dramatically from the first time he used the true spirit spear as he was able to actually sustain the true form for several attacks) but only for a bit. Gowther might end up playing a bigger role in whatever happens next though.

I think the implication so far is that druid blood, or even apostle blood, is not what is needed to release the demons (assuming there are demons that remain to be freed). Elizabeth seems to be an unique existence and actually seems to be a reincarnated goddess. Going by what hendrickson said apostles of the goddesses are a sect within the druids and there are several of them. With that in mind it would make sense that what is needed to release the demon clan was either specifically elizabeth's blood or goddess blood. So if by any chance they still need goddess blood it would make sense to target jenna and zanelly. Though for that they would need to actually know those two are goddesses.