Discussion The Ten Commandments

[Gallon]

I'm sorry to interrupt, but could you be a little nicer, Livewire12?
I understand that you feel the urge to have the upper hand when arguing, but please refrain from unnecessary slang which may lead to flaming.
This is a discussion; if you are unable to cope with other people's opinions and points, you should stop getting into arguments and/or discussions.

This is directed to everyone, so please be neat and nice; it doesn't cost you much.

 

[Demonspeed]

After what she did to Elaine I think Merascylla will be Ban's opponent rather than Merlin's.

 

[Rescorlian]

I wonder which commandement will fight Meliodas. Zeldris is what we all think of, but I don't see Estarossa fighting someone else though. It just doesn't fit.

 

[Aonori]

I wonder which commandement will fight Meliodas. Zeldris is what we all think of, but I don't see Estarossa fighting someone else though. It just doesn't fit.

He can fight Escanor, the guy is stronger than Meli a Demon commandment level lol. Wondering about Escanor´s backstory now a normal human wouldnt just have a OP power like Sunshine off of his pocket, Escanor is probably from the goddesses clan or a ancestral druid or something on those lines, or some sort of OP mixed breed.

 

[Demonspeed]

I wonder which commandement will fight Meliodas. Zeldris is what we all think of, but I don't see Estarossa fighting someone else though. It just doesn't fit.

7 against 10, he can fight both, or as I said previously Arthur + 2 other characters, maybe Matrona and someone else will fight the two others. I am pretty sure Arthur will fight a Commandment at least.

 

[Gallon]

Dogget will fight Estarossa... duh.

 

[kkck]

He can fight Escanor, the guy is stronger than Meli a Demon commandment level lol. Wondering about Escanor´s backstory now a normal human wouldnt just have a OP power like Sunshine off of his pocket, Escanor is probably from the goddesses clan or a ancestral druid or something on those lines, or some sort of OP mixed breed.

I agree about escanor fighting estarrosa. Hax vs hax...

As far as escanor, his power is supposed to be completely different from that of any of the other clans. And he is a complete and factual human. Him being human implies he is not a hybrid or anything of the sort and being part goddess would pretty much make him a hybrid. I think escanor will simply be a special human and we won't be given much explanation.

 

[Aonori]

I agree about escanor fighting estarrosa. Hax vs hax...

As far as escanor, his power is supposed to be completely different from that of any of the other clans. And he is a complete and factual human. Him being human implies he is not a hybrid or anything of the sort and being part goddess would pretty much make him a hybrid. I think escanor will simply be a special human and we won't be given much explanation.

If he is a human he got to have been given some sort of special power at birth by someonelse not so human, I´m just sayin´ this case Taizai, already showcased the gaps in power from humans, to Giants to fairies, Vampires, demons, still needs to showcase the goddesses power levels + the werewolves and a lil bit more on a combat druid power level (especially after druid training, I wonder how much Hendy has now).

Though, puré humans with a way elite type status above even holy knight level guys, only Artur and Escanor so far can fit into that category and even then they could have received outside interference by some of the other clans (most likely goddesses) to get that potential and I just say this case Artur´s sword wasnt something any regular human or even Holy knight (probably even Great holy knight) level guys, couldnt carry and Escanor´s ST wasnt something Meliodas could just carry around easily either (we also never got to know the creators of those ton like weapons that are impossible of wield for not capable ones, but damn who created those weapons couldnt have been human, enough to carry weapons that weight TONS lol (even Galan carries a seemingly very heavy one too)), that makes them seem pretty much inhuman to me (The weapons they carry at least are).

Well eitherway, which power do you guys think Estarossa might´ve? I´m clinging to something radioactive, just because of the way the bird that touch him mutated http://www.mangakaka.com/Nanatsu_no_Taizai_Chapter_List/136/09/.

 

[kkck]

If he is a human he got to have been given some sort of special power at birth by someonelse not so human, I´m just sayin´ this case Taizai, already showcased the gaps in power from humans, to Giants to fairies, Vampires, demons, still needs to showcase the goddesses power levels + the werewolves and a lil bit more on a combat druid power level (especially after druid training, I wonder how much Hendy has now).

Though, puré humans with a way elite type status above even holy knight level guys, only Artur and Escanor so far can fit into that category and even then they could have received outside interference by some of the other clans (most likely goddesses) to get that potential and I just say this case Artur´s sword wasnt something any regular human or even Holy knight (probably even Great holy knight) level guys, couldnt carry and Escanor´s ST wasnt something Meliodas could just carry around easily either (we also never got to know the creators of those ton like weapons that are impossible of wield for not capable ones, but damn who created those weapons couldnt have been human, enough to carry weapons that weight TONS lol (even Galan carries a seemingly very heavy one too)), that makes them seem pretty much inhuman to me (The weapons they carry at least are).

Well eitherway, which power do you guys think Estarossa might´ve? I´m clinging to something radioactive, just because of the way the bird that touch him mutated http://www.mangakaka.com/Nanatsu_no_Taizai_Chapter_List/136/09/.

He doesn't have to be given anything. If anything that would be by far the weirdest scenario. So far escanor's power has been said to originate form sunshine, which has been called the origin of life and presumably has a connection to the sun. The power falls within the same category to him as would powers like full counter, snatch or link. No one has ever been given a power in the manga so far, by all intents and purposes powers are not given. Sunshine being something like full counter would specifically imply the power is inherent to escanor and rule out it being given to him. More than that, if his power had been given to him then it would have to be similar or close to whatever race gave it to him. Like the reactors with demons. In turn his power is specifically unlike that of the other clans. And there is no evidence of there being any other greater force around. And the other clans we do know so far seem to have even less power than the great clans which makes them in general an unlikely source.

The way the bird acted seemed similar to the exploding folk or critters who are the red demon to an extent. I am thinking that estarosa is able to imbue others with his power when he touches them. Or perhaps touching him goes against his decree and results in something happening, something the little bird could not handle...

 

[Rescorlian]

He doesn't have to be given anything. If anything that would be by far the weirdest scenario. So far escanor's power has been said to originate form sunshine, which has been called the origin of life and presumably has a connection to the sun. The power falls within the same category to him as would powers like full counter, snatch or link. No one has ever been given a power in the manga so far, by all intents and purposes powers are not given. Sunshine being something like full counter would specifically imply the power is inherent to escanor and rule out it being given to him. More than that, if his power had been given to him then it would have to be similar or close to whatever race gave it to him. Like the reactors with demons. In turn his power is specifically unlike that of the other clans. And there is no evidence of there being any other greater force around. And the other clans we do know so far seem to have even less power than the great clans which makes them in general an unlikely source.

The way the bird acted seemed similar to the exploding folk or critters who are the red demon to an extent. I am thinking that estarosa is able to imbue others with his power when he touches them. Or perhaps touching him goes against his decree and results in something happening, something the little bird could not handle...

Or we can think that Merlin wasn't aware of the existence of the goddess clan, or more precisely, only heard of them by legends. Therefor, not being able to study anything related to the goddess, she could claim that Escanor's power is unlike any of the other clan, because she has no clue of the goddess' clan powers.
Wouldn't be that far stretched, we haven't seen anything related to the goddess since the beginning of the manga

 

[kiriya]

Or we can think that Merlin wasn't aware of the existence of the goddess clan, or more precisely, only heard of them by legends. Therefor, not being able to study anything related to the goddess, she could claim that Escanor's power is unlike any of the other clan, because she has no clue of the goddess' clan powers.
Wouldn't be that far stretched, we haven't seen anything related to the goddess since the beginning of the manga

There's still the possibility that Merlin herself is from the Goddess clan, though. I mean, there's quite a bit supporting that theory. And if she is from the Goddess clan, she probably has a very good idea of what they're capable of. I think it's more likely that Escanor's powers were something that he was naturally born with, rather than given to him - as kkck said, it would be weird if he was given his powers, considering that no other character in the manga has had their powers handed to them rather than developed.

 

[Livewire12]

There has to be more to it, then he was just born with his powers, and that's it.

Somebody being born naturally stronger then somebody as strong as Meliodas is crazy.

It's even more crazy that it's a human, as they are the weakest of the great clans.

There's clearly more going on here.

 

[kkck]

Or we can think that Merlin wasn't aware of the existence of the goddess clan, or more precisely, only heard of them by legends. Therefor, not being able to study anything related to the goddess, she could claim that Escanor's power is unlike any of the other clan, because she has no clue of the goddess' clan powers.
Wouldn't be that far stretched, we haven't seen anything related to the goddess since the beginning of the manga

It would be weird if merlin was not aware of the goddess clan. More than weird, downright impossible. Their existence is not a secret or anything of the sort after all. And she was at least familiar with the demon clan to an extent, which other than mel she wouldn't have personally known. She should have been plenty familiar with the druid's whom we know have a connection to the goddess clan.

As far as merlin being from the goddess clan, the way the manga has developed would rule it out. Merlin admitted to being unable to heal, something that as far as we have seen with elizabeth at least is second nature to anyone with the power of the goddess. Seeing elizabeth she didn't need conscious control or intention to heal everyone, she just wanted it and it happened against hendrickson.

 

[kiriya]

As far as merlin being from the goddess clan, the way the manga has developed would rule it out. Merlin admitted to being unable to heal, something that as far as we have seen with elizabeth at least is second nature to anyone with the power of the goddess. Seeing elizabeth she didn't need conscious control or intention to heal everyone, she just wanted it and it happened against hendrickson.

The problem is that we don't know if she was telling the truth when she said that she was unable to heal, though. Merlin's been shown on a few occasions to have quite the mischievous streak - and when she said that she can't heal, she was also trying to get Bartra to eat a terrifying-looking worm thing. She said that Cure Angel ate tumors, but then she admitted afterwards that what Bartra had was a stomach ulcer, which is completely different. Considering the context of when she said it, she could have easily been lying about her abilities to try and convince him to eat the freaky worm.

Also, speaking of pretty sorcerer ladies, I find it kind of ironic that Galan said that he hates sorcerers more than anything else and then paired up with Merascylla of all people (who seems to be the sorcerer of the commandments). They seem like an interesting pair, I hope we see more of them in action.

 

[kkck]

The problem is that we don't know if she was telling the truth when she said that she was unable to heal, though. Merlin's been shown on a few occasions to have quite the mischievous streak - and when she said that she can't heal, she was also trying to get Bartra to eat a terrifying-looking worm thing. She said that Cure Angel ate tumors, but then she admitted afterwards that what Bartra had was a stomach ulcer, which is completely different. Considering the context of when she said it, she could have easily been lying about her abilities to try and convince him to eat the freaky worm.

Also, speaking of pretty sorcerer ladies, I find it kind of ironic that Galan said that he hates sorcerers more than anything else and then paired up with Merascylla of all people (who seems to be the sorcerer of the commandments). They seem like an interesting pair, I hope we see more of them in action.

Well, that is true but there is another thing to consider here. "lying" wouldn't be able to cover up merlin being from the goddess clan. Each clan has a power with a distinct feel to it, as in, human power feels a specific way, fairy power feels a specific way, demon power feels a specific way... Most people weren't able to tell mel was a demon but that is largely to most people not knowing demons are a thing. However those who are even slightly more knowledgeable instantly recognize mel as a demon for instance. Hendricksen had never seen one but due to his druid heritage he instantly recognized mel for instance. Ban seemed to have intentionally ignored mel's demonic feel. Merlin seemed aware of the facts. If merlin was from the goddess clan then she would pretty much be instantly recognizable as such as anyone familiar with the goddess clan would be able to do 2 + 2. In this case, liz has already shown her powers which derive from the goddess clan. In that regard, pretty much everyone in liones is more than qualified to instantly identify merlin as a member of the goddess clan.

 

[kiriya]

Well, that is true but there is another thing to consider here. "lying" wouldn't be able to cover up merlin being from the goddess clan. Each clan has a power with a distinct feel to it, as in, human power feels a specific way, fairy power feels a specific way, demon power feels a specific way... Most people weren't able to tell mel was a demon but that is largely to most people not knowing demons are a thing. However those who are even slightly more knowledgeable instantly recognize mel as a demon for instance. Hendricksen had never seen one but due to his druid heritage he instantly recognized mel for instance. Ban seemed to have intentionally ignored mel's demonic feel. Merlin seemed aware of the facts. If merlin was from the goddess clan then she would pretty much be instantly recognizable as such as anyone familiar with the goddess clan would be able to do 2 + 2. In this case, liz has already shown her powers which derive from the goddess clan. In that regard, pretty much everyone in liones is more than qualified to instantly identify merlin as a member of the goddess clan.

That's true. But we've also never actually seen Merlin use her natural ability - Absolute Cancel, Perfect Cube and her teleportation all seem to be techniques that she's learnt through study, not techniques that she knows instinctively e.g Full Counter or Acid. It's entirely possible that spells like those have a different feel to them, if that makes sense. And Merlin actually does seem to have the ability to alter or fake the feeling a magic gives off - back in Chapter 62, she was able to fool Hendrickson into believing that there was a large army with Arthur, with a number of powers 'far more than just one or two hundred'. She seems to have altered the feeling that the illusion gave off and made it seem like there were multiple powers instead of just the two.

Spoiler

I don't know, I might be completely wrong here. But I do think it's entirely possible that Merlin could be a Goddess, or a fallen one at the least.

 

[kkck]

That's true. But we've also never actually seen Merlin use her natural ability - Absolute Cancel, Perfect Cube and her teleportation all seem to be techniques that she's learnt through study, not techniques that she knows instinctively e.g Full Counter or Acid. It's entirely possible that spells like those have a different feel to them, if that makes sense. And Merlin actually does seem to have the ability to alter or fake the feeling a magic gives off - back in Chapter 62, she was able to fool Hendrickson into believing that there was a large army with Arthur, with a number of powers 'far more than just one or two hundred'. She seems to have altered the feeling that the illusion gave off and made it seem like there were multiple powers instead of just the two.

Spoiler

I don't know, I might be completely wrong here. But I do think it's entirely possible that Merlin could be a Goddess, or a fallen one at the least.

I thought absolute cancel was her innate ability. It is true she is able to fake presences. Unless she wasn't actually faking them and did teleport 1000 holy knights across multiple britania kingdoms to that spot specifically to fool hendricksen.

 

[Gallon]

I'm pretty certain her innate ability is Absolute Cancel. We have no confirmation of it, but most of the Sins have this one ability which 'stands out', and Merlin's is AC.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think it's AC. It lacks versatility, even Meliodas can use Full Counter in various ways(Counter Vanish + Revenge Counter), it is too similar to Counter Vanish, in the guide book it was said her Magic was not revealed. Vivian was surprised seeing this, as her disciple she probably knows what's her own Magic.

 

[Rescorlian]

7 against 10, he can fight both, or as I said previously Arthur + 2 other characters, maybe Matrona and someone else will fight the two others. I am pretty sure Arthur will fight a Commandment at least.

Fighting both of his brothers could very well happen. Somehow I think a scenario like this will happen : Estarossa is gonna fight Meliodas and beat him, then capture Elsabeth. Then Meliodas will turn Zeldris in a good guy and both will fight their bigger bro.
I don't see the scenario "beating each group of commandements one by one" happening. But at the same time I also doubt Meliodas and co will fight Zeldris and Estarossa simultaneously