Discussion The Ten Commandments

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I don't remember it clearly but why would the bird bow to Estarossa? Furthermore, assuming he possesses the decree of having no other god, then doesn't that imply he is the 'god'? The decrees work when the specific demon commandment is present. If someone lied to another commandment, they wouldn't get petrified if galan wasn't present. Assuming Estarossa is the god and the bird did bow, that would be a sign of acknowledgement of said god so why would the bird get blown up as punishment? Even if the god referred to the demon king and Estarossa was his son, it shouldn't be seen as worshipped or bowing to another god...

Imo, I don't think the decrees will strictly follow the Biblical commandments as it would quite difficult to apply all of them in a sensible manner

No the demon king is the equivalent of god. He is the one who issued the commandment.Since the bird bowed in reverence to someone other than him, then the bird clearly idolized Estarossa, which means he broke said commandment. The bird could have bowed to Estarossa because he's "godly". He simply was so impressed by his aura that he bowed in reverence.
Also if he is the son of the demon king then he's the prince (of all demons ) then perhaps that explains the bowing down. People do bow to royalty.
You're free to check said commandment here.It's the first commandment, and it deals with having other gods other than Yahweh, and is one of the commandments that deals with idolatry.
And here's the bird bowing his head

Each commandment is different and their working might not be as straight forward as Galan's. Furthermore it is not that people didn't believe in Merascylla, but just that they lost faith in general.Also Mera didn't need to be present physically when we saw that guy rejecting his loved one and getting his eyes burned.
I think Estarossa's works the same, and actually anyone who reveres someone other than the real god is going to be punished.

 

[Demonspeed]

That is a bird though. It can be seen as bowing but does it have any worth when it has no value behind it? I mean, the bird's action is similar to bowing but it is not doing that because it respects Estarossa or something.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

That is a bird though. It can be seen as bowing but does it have any worth when it has no value behind it? I mean, the bird's action is similar to bowing but it is not doing that because it respects Estarossa or something.

The bird was acting normal, then he decided to bow for no reason? Also you seem to underestimate Nakaba's ability to leave little hints like that in his manga.

The fact is the bird got blown just like that, you don't find that weird? I do, and the most likely explanation is that it has to do with Estarossa's commendment.

 

[Rescorlian]

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I'm not quiet found of your theory about Mel and Estarossa sharing the same existence. I think that would kinda ruin the potential of the character that is Estarossa. Having a bigger evil brother would fit better in the arc, we'd see more conflicts about him and the others without him having to go for a complete personality change when he pairs with Mel

 

[TarXan]

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I'm not quiet found of your theory about Mel and Estarossa sharing the same existence. I think that would kinda ruin the potential of the character that is Estarossa. Having a bigger evil brother would fit better in the arc, we'd see more conflicts about him and the others without him having to go for a complete personality change when he pairs with Mel

Same that would ruin Estarossa's character for me IMO. And I have a crazy ass theory, WHAT IF Zeldris' commandment allows him to turn others into children. I have a feeling Nakaba didn't reveal Estarossa's birthday because him and Meliodas are twins. What if they shared the same exact appearance but Meliodas broke the commandment Zeldris' has.

We're going to assume it's "thou shall honor your mother and father" I don't think I worded it correctly. A member stated that Zeldris most likely holds that law, Meliodas probably dishonored the Demon Clan and Zeldris by switching sides thus turning into a child. It probably happened when they fought too. Idk if that makes sense, I can't put it into my own words, hopefully you guys understand what I'm trying to say.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

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I'm not quiet found of your theory about Mel and Estarossa sharing the same existence. I think that would kinda ruin the potential of the character that is Estarossa. Having a bigger evil brother would fit better in the arc, we'd see more conflicts about him and the others without him having to go for a complete personality change when he pairs with Mel

It depends on what evil is in this manga. And I didn't rule out the possibility of Estarossa being that. If they share the same existence and used to form one being in the past, then Estarossa represents the dark side while Mel represents the light one. So Estarossa can still be evil, while Mel is the nice guy.No personality change involved.
Maybe their fusion makes the demon king.
And that theory has been around for quite sometime, and with the latest news about the birthdays and Estarossa's missing it does seem like it could have a chance of being true.

Also isn't it weird that Mel's poster has Estarossa on it? . They could be brothers...but it makes more sense if they're one and the same.It could be seen as a hint based on this theory. Also why would Estarossa appear as Mel in Elizabeth's dream? How is it that he can invade her dream like that? We know he can't be "Thou shall not covet" so it doesn't look like he was trying to seduce her.And as far as invading goes, that's clearly Gowther's domain since he's now confirmed to be a commandment.
To me it could be seen as Mel and Estarossa being connected, and forming one existence in the past.

 

[Gallon]

The bird was acting normal, then he decided to bow for no reason? Also you seem to underestimate Nakaba's ability to leave little hints like that in his manga.

The fact is the bird got blown just like that, you don't find that weird? I do, and the most likely explanation is that it has to do with Estarossa's commendment.

I do agree with your theory to some extent, but that's not "bowing down" to a bird; it might simply be the casual motion which birds use when searching for something by hitting the surface with their beaks.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I do agree with your theory to some extent, but that's not "bowing down" to a bird; it might simply be the casual motion which birds use when searching for something by hitting the surface with their beaks.

Well it's a bird, his motions are kinda limited, or do you want him to do a whole curtsey?

I don't think it would feel natural if he did something like that. It's too cartoonish.And his beak was pointed towards his chest, not Estarossa's arm/gauntlet. And moreover there are lines that suggest motion, which is him bowing his head.

 

[gnut]

well....it still is a question as to why esta is a commandment but mel seems not to be one(no decree shown so far).
also,galan's comment after mel kicked his ass...."this is the accursed power of the demon clan"....suggest to me mel is different from all demons.
i still think he is a hybrid....and the commandments were formed to keep him in check/line.

i mean if gowther went missing 3000yrs before the great war....why were the commandments formed then?

 

[ShadowHeart]

well....it still is a question as to why esta is a commandment but mel seems not to be one(no decree shown so far).
also,galan's comment after mel kicked his ass...."this is the accursed power of the demon clan"....suggest to me mel is different from all demons.
i still think he is a hybrid....and the commandments were formed to keep him in check/line.

i mean if gowther went missing 3000yrs before the great war....why were the commandments formed then?

They weren't it was a mistranslation he went missing just before the Holy War.

 

[FKS]

i mean if gowther went missing 3000yrs before the great war....

It was NS' mistake, Fraudrin actually said Gowther went AWOL before the Great War 3000 years ago.

 

[gnut]

Oh, nvm then

 

[Rescorlian]

well....it still is a question as to why esta is a commandment but mel seems not to be one(no decree shown so far).
also,galan's comment after mel kicked his ass...."this is the accursed power of the demon clan"....suggest to me mel is different from all demons.
i still think he is a hybrid....and the commandments were formed to keep him in check/line.

i mean if gowther went missing 3000yrs before the great war....why were the commandments formed then?

I really don't think Mel was a hybrid back then. I just think he was just one of the only demon who wasn't cruel and who believed in justice. He refused to be a commandement like his older brother and so Zeldris, the younger one, took his place. He just then decided to face one against his own clan for what he believed.
The only weird thing is that he may have 3000+ yearsj, which is impossible for demons. So he probably got cursed by the demons or blessed by the goddess, granting him extra longevity. Or he may just have been released from the seal.

 

[gnut]

I really don't think Mel was a hybrid back then. I just think he was just one of the only demon who wasn't cruel and who believed in justice. He refused to be a commandement like his older brother and so Zeldris, the younger one, took his place. He just then decided to face one against his own clan for what he believed.
The only weird thing is that he may have 3000+ yearsj, which is impossible for demons. So he probably got cursed by the demons or blessed by the goddess, granting him extra longevity. Or he may just have been released from the seal.

yeah even galan said they should be dead if they weren't sealed....why is mel alive?
he's different than the others....

 

[Rescorlian]

yeah even galan said they should be dead if they weren't sealed....why is mel alive?
he's different than the others....

His difference is only in longevity, which could be caused either by the goddesses and the demons. That or he escaped from the seal.
No big deal in any of those 2 options anyway

 

[TarXan]

His difference is only in longevity, which could be caused either by the goddesses and the demons. That or he escaped from the seal.
No big deal in any of those 2 options anyway

I have a feeling he was cursed or broke Zeldris' commandment.

 

[Demonspeed]

Mel and Zeldris are brothers and although there's the possibility that they are half-brothers I think it's pretty low with such a resemblance. Maybe the Commandments shorten their lifespans? 1000 years seem to short when Fairies and Giants seem to be able to live much longer. Diane is 750+ and Nakaba said it corresponds to 14 or 16 years old for Humans.

 

[kkck]

I wonder if mel was ever one of the ten commandments. He doesn't seem to have one himself. And the way commandments seem to work so far it would be weird if he actually had the freedom to just leave without being subjected to it. I mean, at least with galan's or meras' commandments it seems like he can't just leave without somehow triggering them.

 

[Rescorlian]

I wonder if mel was ever one of the ten commandments. He doesn't seem to have one himself. And the way commandments seem to work so far it would be weird if he actually had the freedom to just leave without being subjected to it. I mean, at least with galan's or meras' commandments it seems like he can't just leave without somehow triggering them.

Well he knows them very well because his two brothers are part of them. It's speculation, but I assume they are the sons of the Demon King and Meliodas refused to be part of the 10 because he was the only demon that felt emotions or had convictions that were against what the demons normally have (e.g, being naturally evil and all that jazz), thus resulting logically of him standing against his own clan in the great war.

 

[Laoufette]

Hi

I was thinking about Octololi recently and i would like to know your opinion about this theory.
Well this is not mine, I have read about things like this before and i have regrouped some and put some of my toughts.

I think Octololi was a Fairy King and more precisly: Gloxianna.

Octololi is exactly like Helbram, She finds the humans "interesting" in a certain way.
She calls Dolor like them and she had the idea of the tournament to imitate the human.

Spoiler: Picture

My second point is more about the relation between her and Meliodas.
She said that they were old friends and they have known each others since a loooong time ago.
It's not like Galan for exemple, she really knows him well.

Meliodas knew each Fairy King, he met them (He told it during the fight with King)

Spoiler: picture

I found the (...) before the first Fairy King strange, it's like he is remembering something or that he was close to her/him.

My third point is about Dolor.
They are in Duo and maybe because they are both traitor? Maybe they joined the demon clan about the same time.

I mean almost all of the duo we have seen this far have a relation.
Derriere and Monspiet = Lover (?) ,really close, Monspiet protects her and talk for her
Galan/ Mera = Close, Mera said that she tagged out with him because she wanted to look after him
The two brothers are together. (seems legit)
Fraudrin and Grayroad don't seem to have any particular relation but maybe Grayroad was friend with Gowther?

We can talk about the wings of Octololi too.
Why she doesn't have wings if Meliodas said Gloxianna had prominent wings?
Because like Dolor (or Hendry) who had their body modified, The transformation in demon changed his wings to tentacles.

My last point is about the last chapter, the mushrooms.
I think Octololi can still drain power from the Sacred Tree, Like Helbram did and if it is the case, this isn't really strange for a fairy to be able to create some mushrooms.

And why the hell Nakaba haven't said her name yet? He had like 50 oportunities to give this information.

Well i am open to any opinion about this.
And i hope this is understable.