Discussion The Ten Commandments

[ShadowHeart]

Could Derrierie be the Beast?

 

[Demonspeed]

Could Derrierie be the Beast?

What do you mean by the Beast?

 

[ShadowHeart]

What do you mean by the Beast?

666.

 

[Demonspeed]

666.

I don't think so, unless she is much stronger than we think(like above Meliodas and his brothers). It would fit the Demon King better IMO.

 

[Tragicdeath]

Estarossa might not be the strongest demon king apprentice, 10 commandments, but he is without a doubt the most evil. Just imagine how wicked he is a bird into a demon. And who knows he might be the demon king.

 

[Rescorlian]

Estarossa might not be the strongest demon king apprentice, 10 commandments, but he is without a doubt the most evil. Just imagine how wicked he is a bird into a demon. And who knows he might be the demon king.

I'm pretty sure he is the strongest. Zeldris seems to be the leader of the TC, but he doesn't take order from Zeldris, in fact even Zeldris asks him what to do.
I'm sure it's forshadowing for his absurd strength

 

[Gallon]

Zeldris is likely the parallel of Meliodas, as in the leader figure, whereas Estarossa is that of Escanor, as in the strongest of the team.

 

[Rescorlian]

This parallel is interesting. Zeldris really seems like the serious one, while Estarossa just wanna chill. Like someone pointed earlier, Elisabeth's dream seems like a foreshadowing to the rampage Estarossa is about to do.
Although I'd love that some TC, mainly Monspiet, Zeldris and Estarossa, would have more depth in their character, not just regular powerful bad guys that'll get defeated/sealed and that we won't see in the next arc

Zeldris is likely the parallel of Meliodas, as in the leader figure, whereas Estarossa is that of Escanor, as in the strongest of the team.

Sssshhh. Do you realize the consequence of this ? You're gonna bring madness and summon dark123

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Seems like with the chapter, we are pretty much confirmed Estarossa either has an absurd amount of magical power,either has also a unique and very powerful magic

 

[Yakkun]

I am not sure if this is the right place to post it but is there a thread specifically for the Commandment's decrees? Or do you discuss this in here as well?

 

[Gallon]

I am not sure if this is the right place to post it but is there a thread specifically for the Commandment's decrees? Or do you discuss this in here as well?

Discuss them here; creating a thread for their decrees alone is unnecessary.

 

[Yakkun]

Alright. As of this latest chapter, # 170, I have had more concrete thoughts on what Gloxinia's decree is or rather how it could work and under which conditions.

Gloxinias is the Commandment of Repose, if you will, or rather represents "You shall honour the sabbath day and keep it holy".
That seems awfully specific seeing how in the NNT world there is no equivalent to Christianity or Judaism and the other world religions.

Nakaba is most likely going with a much more broadened term here. Sabbath is a holy custom, it represents tradition. Sabbath is also marked by a specific set of rules for a very specific duration.

And I think that's it already. Gloxinia's decree works by someone violating specific rules he set up for a specific time. Like a tournament. A tournament lasts until a winner is decided. Gloxinia had that idea with the tournament, he specified the rules. That's his "sabbath day", so to speak. If you quit in advance, you violate the sabbath. If you break its rules, you violate the sabbath.

Another reason why I think Gloxinia could be hung up on sticking to the rules and honouring them might lie in his past. Repeatedly he has mentioned that the humans are a greedy folk, that they only think of themselves and that they are vulgar, violent and what not. I think he got this decree by the demon king because when he still was the Fairy King, he upheld the relations to the humans. A ceasefire or treaty or something of that sort. And he clung to it to the very end but got bitterly betrayed by the humans or someone else at that time. Which would be so fitting. It would so fall in line with the general Fairy history and that sort of sentiment was passed down through the generations even to the point where Harlequin as a king knew that you shouldn't trust humans and be too friendly with them.


As for chapter 170, I think that while Escanor just did what he did, it won't last long. Either Gloxinias decree - provided it works as stated above - undoes the damage or Escanor is somehow punished in the process or it has some other effect. But ultimately I think Gloxinia will be right with what he said in some earlier chapters, that him and Dolor will have the last laugh. There is no cheating out of this tournament and Gloxinia might have set it up so that the conditions are met.

 

[Gallon]

Alright. As of this latest chapter, # 170, I have had more concrete thoughts on what Gloxinia's decree is or rather how it could work and under which conditions.

Gloxinias is the Commandment of Repose, if you will, or rather represents "You shall honour the sabbath day and keep it holy".
That seems awfully specific seeing how in the NNT world there is no equivalent to Christianity or Judaism and the other world religions.

Nakaba is most likely going with a much more broadened term here. Sabbath is a holy custom, it represents tradition. Sabbath is also marked by a specific set of rules for a very specific duration.

And I think that's it already. Gloxinia's decree works by someone violating specific rules he set up for a specific time. Like a tournament. A tournament lasts until a winner is decided. Gloxinia had that idea with the tournament, he specified the rules. That's his "sabbath day", so to speak. If you quit in advance, you violate the sabbath. If you break its rules, you violate the sabbath.

Another reason why I think Gloxinia could be hung up on sticking to the rules and honouring them might lie in his past. Repeatedly he has mentioned that the humans are a greedy folk, that they only think of themselves and that they are vulgar, violent and what not. I think he got this decree by the demon king because when he still was the Fairy King, he upheld the relations to the humans. A ceasefire or treaty or something of that sort. And he clung to it to the very end but got bitterly betrayed by the humans or someone else at that time. Which would be so fitting. It would so fall in line with the general Fairy history and that sort of sentiment was passed down through the generations even to the point where Harlequin as a king knew that you shouldn't trust humans and be too friendly with them.


As for chapter 170, I think that while Escanor just did what he did, it won't last long. Either Gloxinias decree - provided it works as stated above - undoes the damage or Escanor is somehow punished in the process or it has some other effect. But ultimately I think Gloxinia will be right with what he said in some earlier chapters, that him and Dolor will have the last laugh. There is no cheating out of this tournament and Gloxinia might have set it up so that the conditions are met.

Neat idea.
But then again, wouldn't that be far too overpowered? Setting a rule of, say, preventing to murder Gloxinia would give the Fairy King a huge advantage.
I'd rather have this decree take effect when the opponent agrees to perform under the aforementioned rules, which, in this case, would not inflict any sort of damage to Escanor.

 

[Yakkun]

Neat idea.
But then again, wouldn't that be far too overpowered? Setting a rule of, say, preventing to murder Gloxinia would give the Fairy King a huge advantage.
I'd rather have this decree take effect when the opponent agrees to perform under the aforementioned rules, which, in this case, would not inflict any sort of damage to Escanor.

I think if that's how it works, it still has limits. It is about rules but from the way Gloxinia set them up, they are also fair. Something that is disadvantageous form the start probably would violate the decree, too. Or it has to be something that is applicable for all participants, caster included.

 

[Gallon]

I think if that's how it works, it still has limits. It is about rules but from the way Gloxinia set them up, they are also fair. Something that is disadvantageous form the start probably would violate the decree, too. Or it has to be something that is applicable for all participants, caster included.

If the caster is included, that completely changes the situation. I'd actually buy it if it were that.

 

[Yakkun]

If the caster is included, that completely changes the situation. I'd actually buy it if it were that, honestly.

Dolor already made it clear. The Commandments can be subjected to their own decrees as well. They actually have to be careful about how they use them, if they do.


As for the scenario I just conveniently build around my theory, I am going even one step further and say that in whatever events happened when Gloxinia was still fairy king, Gerharde was someone precious to him and she died somehow and the demon king made an offer: "I can undo what happened, I can bring her back to life for you if you become one of my own. I will bestow you with the power to undo her death or any calamity that will befall you with this". And thus granted him his decree. The humans who were in violation of the peace with the fairy clan or whatever caused Gerharde's death became victims of Gloxinia's decree of the sabbath day - the events were undone, Gerharde returned back to life.

And that is also why she still lives even after more than 3.000 years - because a Commandment's decree doesn't disappear so easily.


And thus ends my fanfiction head-canon. :P But if any of this turns out to be true I would be quite pleased. :P

 

[Gallon]

Dolor already made it clear. The Commandments can be subjected to their own decrees as well. They actually have to be careful about how they use them, if they do.

Indeed, but Gloxinia himself is not participating in this tournament. Even if his servant were to represent him, the former is already done for. That would create a loop which only results in Gloxinia's opponents being affected, whereas he's immune to his own Commandment - he has no rules to break.

 

[Yakkun]

Indeed, but Gloxinia himself is not participating in this tournament. Even if his servant were to represent him, the former is already done for. That would create a loop which only results in Gloxinia's opponents being affected, whereas he's immune to his own Commandment - he has no rules to break.

Yes, but it would still force him to continue this tournament and eventually fight. Since I assume that is the whole point. I mean, he only staged that entire thing to have a shot at Meliodas, right? So he does intend to fight one way or another. He might not have fought yet but it will eventually be his turn. He obviously made it so that even if he has to abide his own rules, he still maintains some advantage but as I said, if it works how I suggest there has to be some sort of limit somewhere.

It's a lot of speculation right now. I think it will be explained in due time. I only wanna know how close I hit to home with this because I love calling stuff like that. :P

 

[Gallon]

Yes, but it would still force him to continue this tournament and eventually fight. Since I assume that is the whole point. I mean, he only staged that entire thing to have a shot at Meliodas, right? So he does intend to fight one way or another. He might not have fought yet but it will eventually be his turn. He obviously made it so that even if he has to abide his own rules, he still maintains some advantage but as I said, if it works how I suggest there has to be some sort of limit somewhere.

It's a lot of speculation right now. I think it will be explained in due time. I only wanna know how close I hit to home with this because I love calling stuff like that. :P

They seemed like they wanted to 2 versus 1 Meliodas, which would be unfair, but who knows, really.
I like your theory, so why not?

 

[Yakkun]

Okay. We know what Gloxinia's Commandment is but what about Dolor?

I think it could be one of either three

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. Honor your father and your mother.

I think this because he is obviously worshipped as a deity by the giants. He also chose to make his golem servant in his own image. King confirmed that a golem only becomes complete and unleashes it's full potential if it was made with a clear image in mind. Diane drew her power from her feelings for her friends - the same principles apply to Dolor's golem yet he chose his own image. Which leads me to believe he has only faith in himself, so he must either not trust or believe in anyone else or he is extremely confident or it somehow plays into the favor of his Commandment decree.

What do you think?

Btw, what was Merascylla's corresponding Commandment if she was the Commandment of "faith" ?

 

[kiriya]

Okay. We know what Gloxinia's Commandment is but what about Dolor?

I think it could be one of either three

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. Honor your father and your mother.

I think this because he is obviously worshipped as a deity by the giants. He also chose to make his golem servant in his own image. King confirmed that a golem only becomes complete and unleashes it's full potential if it was made with a clear image in mind. Diane drew her power from her feelings for her friends - the same principles apply to Dolor's golem yet he chose his own image. Which leads me to believe he has only faith in himself, so he must either not trust or believe in anyone else or he is extremely confident or it somehow plays into the favor of his Commandment decree.

What do you think?

Btw, what was Merascylla's corresponding Commandment if she was the Commandment of "faith" ?

I'm pretty sure Merascylla's was 'You shall have no other gods before Me', because it's about having an unwavering faith in God.

Personally I believe that Dolor's commandment is 'Honour your father and your mother', because he could technically be seen as being the 'father' of the Giant Clan (and by extension all of the other races, because at one point I'm pretty sure it was said that the Giant clan was the race that all other clans originated from.) Also, from what little we've seen of him, the other commandments seem to listen when he gives them a straight order too; for example, when he told Galan not to lie and when he told Gloxinia not to call him Balor, neither of them fought him on it. Though that could also just be Glox being a decent person and Galan not wanting to set off his precept. Who knows.

That commandment is about respect and following orders, so in a tournament situation it would also be ideal - if any of the competitors failed to follow the rules set out by Glox and Dolor, it could be seen as being disrespectful, which might set off his precept. Which means Escanor might suffer its effects next chapter, if it does happen to be Honour...