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It really seems like they have a father/daughter thing, at least, Monspiet's treatment of her implies that that's how he sees her or wants to see her.

It's possible that something happened before they were sealed that caused him to begin viewing her this way. It may coincide with her shift in personality as well, or whatever caused her to start speaking in her cryptic way.
We saw them in the flashback though, their behavior was not that different from before. And their age difference is not that large IIRC. A mere 38 year difference...
 

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The fact that both their Magics have "Star" in it makes me think they are related.

Father and daughter, uncle and niece, siblings in law or lovers.One of these four IMO.

I think lovers is least likely but Nakaba surprised me more than once with the Commandments.
 

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The fact that both their Magics have "Star" in it makes me think they are related.

Father and daughter, uncle and niece, siblings in law or lovers.One of these four IMO.

I think lovers is least likely but Nakaba surprised me more than once with the Commandments.
I think that the most likely of all these is that they are lovers because when derriere lost her sister monspiet didn't seem to care.
 

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I think that the most likely of all these is that they are lovers because when derriere lost her sister monspiet didn't seem to care.
That would work to make the point they are not siblings who share parents. But if they are half siblings or cousins that leaves a few possibilities open. However that seems increasingly less likely... I guess that would leave them being lovers as the most reasonable choice.
 

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I think that the most likely of all these is that they are lovers because when derriere lost her sister monspiet didn't seem to care.
Fraudrin is rather stoic in general. I think he cared, Derrierie is just much more expressive. They didn't only lose her sister but countless Demons who were noncombatants.
 

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Man the way the Ten Commandments were humiliated this might as well be a comedy show. In fact take them out the main story and make a side story series called "The Reject Commandments" starring Estarossa as the dumb buff gym guy, Monspiet and Derriere as the budding incompetent crime duo, Gloxinia and Dolor the chill bros, and their leader Zeldris the kid with daddy issues. That'd be better than whatever the hell the "plot" Nakaba has been spewing this arc. Oh yeah don't forget guest stars Graylord and Mera as the family Dog/Cat.
 
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Man the way the Ten Commandments were humiliated this might as well be a comedy show. In fact take them out the main story and make a side story series called "The Reject Commandments" starring Estarossa as the dumb buff gym guy, Monspiet and Derriere as the budding incompetent crime duo, Gloxinia and Dolor the chill bros, and their leader Zeldris the kid with daddy issues. That'd be better than whatever the hell the "plot" Nakaba has been spewing this arc. Oh yeah don't forget guest stars Graylord and Metal as the family Dog/Cat.
This is so damn accurate. Would've chuckled if it wasn't so sad...
 

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I was wondering, is Estarossa the most popular Commandment? Only recently did I realize how popular he is. At first I thought most of his fanbase was constituted of people who wanted Escanor to lose or thought he was more of a badass than Meliodas. But despite his loss and his admiration for Meliodas he is apparently still well liked.

It's funny to see how happy readers are to see him back :XD.
 

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In chapter 237 we learn Diane power level is 8000 (base) & we seen after she do her dance it rise to 48000. Do ya think Dolor power level (54000) will rise after he dance as well to maybe 94000.
 

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In chapter 237 we learn Diane power level is 8000 (base) & we seen after she do her dance it rise to 48000. Do ya think Dolor power level (54000) will rise after he dance as well to maybe 94000.
I don't know to what extent he can power up but he is definitely able to do it. Diane did when she was in his body before fighting Zeldris.
 

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Odds are dolor's 54k are his power after powering up. We saw him almost get killed repeatedly against meliodas, it would be absurd that he didn't power up more. It would also be fairly weird if he could power up more considering by how much he would outclass gloxinia. That said, it is possible dolor and gloxinia have lost some PL on account of losing their power of darkness. Zeldris even offered dolor power when he told him to join the demon clan.
 

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Odds are dolor's 54k are his power after powering up. We saw him almost get killed repeatedly against meliodas, it would be absurd that he didn't power up more. It would also be fairly weird if he could power up more considering by how much he would outclass gloxinia. That said, it is possible dolor and gloxinia have lost some PL on account of losing their power of darkness. Zeldris even offered dolor power when he told him to join the demon clan.
When did Dolor have time to dance against Meliodas.
 

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When did Dolor have time to dance against Meliodas.
Dolor went around throwing actual meteors at meliodas, survived escanor's attack and even used his heavy metal to tank meliodas' hellblaze. Had he been at, say, 20k he would have died on the spot from quite literally anything that was used during the fight. I doubt we saw anything short of dolor's true power at that point except for him taking damage from escanor's attack earlier.
 

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PLs and durability are different though.

To be fair, Meliodas didn't give him the time to do anything. And now we know that Demons are stronger at night so Melidoas's PL was above 56K..
 

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PLs and durability are different though.

To be fair, Meliodas didn't give him the time to do anything. And now we know that Demons are stronger at night so Melidoas's PL was above 56K..
Not really, durability and PL are pretty well tied up. Baring gags of course, gags > pl. Dolor and gloxinia should have had a boost at that point too though, they also had POD at that point. I really don't see how dolor was not using all the power he could muster at that point. Had he been at less than half his known PL then meliodas wouldn't even have need an opening, he could have sneezed at him and defeated him.
 

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Dolor went around throwing actual meteors at meliodas, survived escanor's attack and even used his heavy metal to tank meliodas' hellblaze. Had he been at, say, 20k he would have died on the spot from quite literally anything that was used during the fight. I doubt we saw anything short of dolor's true power at that point except for him taking damage from escanor's attack earlier.
What are you talking about base on the Diane information I think 54K is Dolor base.
 

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Not really, durability and PL are pretty well tied up. Baring gags of course, gags > pl. Dolor and gloxinia should have had a boost at that point too though, they also had POD at that point. I really don't see how dolor was not using all the power he could muster at that point. Had he been at less than half his known PL then meliodas wouldn't even have need an opening, he could have sneezed at him and defeated him.
How are durability and PL tied up? Do you mean that you become more durable as you power up or that PL= Durability? Because if it's the latter I disagree.

One thing is sure, Dolor didn't dance when he fought him. And Meliodas didn't give him the occasion to.

As for durability, generally Mages are inferior compared to the others. And after that it is a matter of race. From everything we have seen I would say that:

Giants> Demons/Goddesses> Humans> Fairies. It's a general assessment.

With Heavy Metal Giants can have an even better defense, but they lack regenerative abilities. In practice, High Class Demons/Angels's are better because of that.
 

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What are you talking about base on the Diane information I think 54K is Dolor base.
And he powers up to what? 55K? The guy got foderized by zeldris at 60k after taking his sweet time powering up. However much dolor's power might vary it won't be much higher than what we have been told so far. It would make no sense considering what we have seen so far.
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How are durability and PL tied up? Do you mean that you become more durable as you power up or that PL= Durability? Because if it's the latter I disagree.

One thing is sure, Dolor didn't dance when he fought him. And Meliodas didn't give him the occasion to.

As for durability, generally Mages are inferior compared to the others. And after that it is a matter of race. From everything we have seen I would say that:

Giants> Demons/Goddesses> Humans> Fairies. It's a general assessment.

With Heavy Metal Giants can have an even better defense, but they lack regenerative abilities. In practice, High Class Demons/Angels's are better because of that.
I would argue both of those things are true. I mean, take king. After his PL increased we have seen him survive attacks from diane's gideon and even his own full countered attacks. Do you think 4.1k king would be anything but a bloodstain after taking those attacks? To me it seems fairly intuitive that your ability to receive and handle damage would increase as your PL increases.
 

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I would argue both of those things are true. I mean, take king. After his PL increased we have seen him survive attacks from diane's gideon and even his own full countered attacks. Do you think 4.1k king would be anything but a bloodstain after taking those attacks? To me it seems fairly intuitive that your ability to receive and handle damage would increase as your PL increases.
By raising his PL King must have become more durable yes(He survived but Helbram protected him) but having a PL higher than someone else doesn't necessarily mean that you have the highest durability. King for example. King's PL is higher than Gowther's and Diane's but he can't take hits like them.
 

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I don't know to what extent he can power up but he is definitely able to do it. Diane did when she was in his body before fighting Zeldris.
You know something that got me curious. Did nakaba originally plan for Gloxina and dolor to fight Diane and King as their finale battle, but he realized there was no real way for him to make those two strong enough to beat the other without weakening the other two or making King and DIane ridiculously powerful?
 
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