Games The Zelda Thread!

[kkck]

I was never much of a ghirahim fan to be honest. He is a far cry from ganondorf. In concept he is awesome by why was he played as an stereotypical effeminate villain? Honestly, while playing the game he felt like a combination of orochimaru and your stereotypical evil European from an US movie. He was too flamboyant and not evil enough. I didn't even find him properly creepy to be honest. At least not in the way the makers of the game would have intended anyways. Still, with the concept they nailed him, its just the characterization of him that failed IMO.

Other than that my only complain about the game is not quite something I know how to explain... While the world they made is incredible I feel that exploring the world was somehow less satisfying than doing so in previous zelda instalments. Flying is cool at first but after a bit it got tedious for me. In previous zelda games I didn't mind just exploring the world as a whole looking for stuff. In skyward swords there are a couple of sidequest which I never completed simply because flying to those places felt tedious. Bamboo cutting, the skydiving minigame, something at the bar.... I don't mind doing the stuff to complete the side quests but going to those places was boring and thus I never got to it.

I guess my last complain of the game would also be in the overall transportation between places. If you want to go somewhere you can't just teleport there like in other zelda games. If you were at hyrule and wanted to "teleport" you had to fly out of the world, turn around when flying on the bird and drop again. In some cases it is less tedious to simply walk there. Of course with there being no actual teleporting getting to one section of the game to another required you to get on the bird, fly and then fall somewhere which you would will be close to where you want to go. The lack of proper teleporting is perhaps the biggest miss in the game IMO. Perhaps if there was proper teleporting the whole exploring the world thing would not be as tiresome. Contrary to epona that ends up being more of an option, the loftwing is heavily imposed on you.... And honestly though, horseriding ended up being far less tedious than flying overall. Horseriding was more or less an exact science so to speak, you got to where you wanted to be at and just got of the horse. Flying is not hard per say but the controls get boring after a while and if you missed the place you wanted to fall on by even a bit (the game was permissive in this regard but still) you have to start over. Another issue is the place you fly at. "Sky" is ultimately a word for "empty space high up there" so flying in the game had the implication that you were basically moving through great distances worth of empty space to get to small pieces of floating rock. At least with horse riding you weren't moving through huge amounts of empty space. You had your roads, trees, the forest, the desert, the lake, there was always a view and it wasn't necessarily the sky (which I can't stress enough is a huge chunk of essentially empty space safe for the occasional floating rock).

Skyward sword completely got many things right about what a zelda game should be like but transportation was not one of them. Seriously, is there even a need for the only way for travel via loftwing to be jumping on or off of it? The thing has legs, they could have easily included an option to actual land the thing. Everything the game nailed with swordfighting, fighting enemies and a new world format to navigate was made a little not as good by the transportation system. I am reasonably sure the game would be a few hours shorter if the transportation system was more similar to other games in that you could teleport. Even sailing in wind waker was not as bad as flying here and that is only because in the game you could basically teleport anywhere anytime.

I guess that for me the perfect zelda game is and probably will always be twilight princess. Everything about it was exactly what it had to be. Epona was heavily improved over the the OOT and MM version and you could actually use every weapon you had from her. If that wasn't enough you could just change to wolve or teleport if that was more practical. Even the transformation between wolf and human was simple and practical. Obviously swordfighting in TP would never be like it was in skyward sword but it was still incredibly fun overall. The game did have its misses (kakariko village being an actual dump and the tear search-which should be banned from all zelda games) but overall it just more "zelda" than skyward sword. That is not to say I don't have a high opinion of skyward sword, if TP is a 10 then SS is a 9 (having the option to fight any boss at any time could make it a 9.5 though).

 

[xi0]

Really? That kind of surprises me. I think you're taking those shows wayyy too srsface, bro. I liked how they turned out for the most part, but it's isn't any masterpiece or anything like that. XD Most of the drawings were emulated from the game's official artwork. So in a way, I feel like it's not very different from just buying a pair like that at the store, you know? Maybe if I had created all of the pictures from my head it would be different. I can sort of see where you're coming from though.

Why is it surprising? They're a gift that you spent time on...and it can matter who makes it, you know?

Taking what shows too seriously? Wtf? It is different than something you can buy, at least it is to me. I've never owned Chuck's before, so I have no idea how comfortable they'd be anyway. The closest thing to that I have are some Supra Skytops. But whatever, like I said, I wouldn't wear them much, if at all.

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From the trailer, I wasn't really sure about it... I played a demo of it at Target once, but it was during the flying race and the flying controls took some getting used to. Not a good place to demo the game in a store if you ask me.

But it's definitely my favorite Zelda game so far. I feel like that game was MADE for me. I love the flying, skydiving, motion controls. I feel like the Wii Motion plus was made with this game specifically in mind. The swordplay in Skyward Sword out-does any other Zelda game and makes Twilight Princess's motion controls looks like a joke. The storyline is one of my favorites, too. And the villain... Ghirahim is awesome. He completely creeps me out. XD All of the characters are just so great in this game. They could have centered an entire game just around the idea of the timeshift stones.

Blah blah blah. I could go on for pages about why this is my favorite video game, but you won't get it until you actually play it.
Of course, the game's still $50 at most stores and you would need a Wii + a Wii Motion Plus controller for it. So easier said than done if you don't already own the hardware.

Initially, I felt motion control was a really stupid idea. But from playing a bunch, it wouldn't stop me from buying a Wii necessarily. I wonder when they'll get the Zelda game out on the new system though, it seems like the console has flopped initially...

I sort of separate the 2D and 3D Zelda games when thinking about the best. It's sort of unfair to compare them. I think of the N64 games sort of as two different parts of the same game. Now, that's pretty unfair, considering how different the two games are. But I don't know...I need to replay them all this summer. Though my GameCube is broken...fucking shit laser

 

[kkck]

Well, it hasn't been as bad as a flop however the console has indeed not sold anything near what was expected. Nintendo made a mistake in not releasing the console with a few big games at large. I guess the defining point will be when they get their big named game out there. Well, they do have a couple big names out there but they would still not be the games that would really draw people towards the wii u. They need a proper super mario, a proper zelda, a proper super smash... Nintendo is still one of the best if not the best game developer out there, they must have some pretty sick ideas of what to do with their pad controller and those big names.

 

[Naomi]

I was never much of a ghirahim fan to be honest. He is a far cry from ganondorf. In concept he is awesome by why was he played as an stereotypical effeminate villain? Honestly, while playing the game he felt like a combination of orochimaru and your stereotypical evil European from an US movie. He was too flamboyant and not evil enough. I didn't even find him properly creepy to be honest. At least not in the way the makers of the game would have intended anyways.

If you didn't like Ghirahim, I guess there's always Demise since he was technically the final boss of the game anyway. I thought he had a lot pf personality and flare. He was interesting. When I saw him waiting for me on the top of a pillar or at the end of the dungeon, I would always be guessing "oh shit... what is he going to do now???" I don't really care about sooo many bosses and villains in video games, but Ghirahim was different. He was very human (despite being a demon) and I thought it added a lot to his character and the duels with him. Maybe he's a sterotypically effeminate villain, but as far as the Zelda franchise goes, it's a bit refreshing.

Still, with the concept they nailed him, its just the characterization of him that failed IMO.

Not really sure what that even means... XD;;

Other than that my only complain about the game is not quite something I know how to explain... While the world they made is incredible I feel that exploring the world was somehow less satisfying than doing so in previous zelda instalments. Flying is cool at first but after a bit it got tedious for me. In previous zelda games I didn't mind just exploring the world as a whole looking for stuff. In skyward swords there are a couple of sidequest which I never completed simply because flying to those places felt tedious. Bamboo cutting, the skydiving minigame, something at the bar.... I don't mind doing the stuff to complete the side quests but going to those places was boring and thus I never got to it.

The open-world aspect of Skyward Sword is extremely lacking, there is no denying that. As far as the flying goes, I didn't mind it, really? I guess it did become a bit boring after a while, but it's not like the world was huge. It didn't take very long at all to get from place to place. I guess you just lost patience with it.

I guess my last complain of the game would also be in the overall transportation between places. If you want to go somewhere you can't just teleport there like in other zelda games. If you were at hyrule and wanted to "teleport" you had to fly out of the world, turn around when flying on the bird and drop again. In some cases it is less tedious to simply walk there. Of course with there being no actual teleporting getting to one section of the game to another required you to get on the bird, fly and then fall somewhere which you would will be close to where you want to go. The lack of proper teleporting is perhaps the biggest miss in the game IMO. Perhaps if there was proper teleporting the whole exploring the world thing would not be as tiresome. Contrary to epona that ends up being more of an option, the loftwing is heavily imposed on you.... And honestly though, horseriding ended up being far less tedious than flying overall. Horseriding was more or less an exact science so to speak, you got to where you wanted to be at and just got of the horse. Flying is not hard per say but the controls get boring after a while and if you missed the place you wanted to fall on by even a bit (the game was permissive in this regard but still) you have to start over. Another issue is the place you fly at. "Sky" is ultimately a word for "empty space high up there" so flying in the game had the implication that you were basically moving through great distances worth of empty space to get to small pieces of floating rock. At least with horse riding you weren't moving through huge amounts of empty space. You had your roads, trees, the forest, the desert, the lake, there was always a view and it wasn't necessarily the sky (which I can't stress enough is a huge chunk of essentially empty space safe for the occasional floating rock).

If the transportation is the biggest complaint you have over the game, then it's not much of an issue. I mean, you talk about flying being boring, but I found it FAR more entertaining than riding Epona. Riding a horse is boring. Flying over the world, skydiving, and spinning around on a giant bird is fun. I don't understand the argument there. The teleportation business always feels like a slight cop-out to me, although it can definitely be handy. Again, the world of Skyward Sword was not that big. You did not need teleportation to maneuver the world like you would in Twilight Princess. It would have been an unnecessary mechanic and wouldn't have made any sense in the story of the game.

My only complaint about the flying mechanic was that you couldn't do it at night. :/ That would have added a lot to the exploration possibilities.

Skyward sword completely got many things right about what a zelda game should be like but transportation was not one of them. Seriously, is there even a need for the only way for travel via loftwing to be jumping on or off of it? The thing has legs, they could have easily included an option to actual land the thing.

Dude... I can't believe it was that big of an issue for you. XD Was it really that bad? ...If you think flying on the loftwing is bad, then don't play Spirit Tracks.

I guess that for me the perfect zelda game is and probably will always be twilight princess. Everything about it was exactly what it had to be. Epona was heavily improved over the the OOT and MM version and you could actually use every weapon you had from her. If that wasn't enough you could just change to wolve or teleport if that was more practical. Even the transformation between wolf and human was simple and practical. Obviously swordfighting in TP would never be like it was in skyward sword but it was still incredibly fun overall. The game did have its misses (kakariko village being an actual dump and the tear search-which should be banned from all zelda games) but overall it just more "zelda" than skyward sword. That is not to say I don't have a high opinion of skyward sword, if TP is a 10 then SS is a 9 (having the option to fight any boss at any time could make it a 9.5 though).

I think the best part about Epona in Twilight Princess is that you had horseback combat. Otherwise, I found it easier to turn into a wolf and run or just teleport through Twilight. Epona was completely useless the second half of the game. Twilight Princess is a phenomenal game. But I would never put it about Skyward Sword on my list. I think a lot of people are seduced by its more mature art style. I hated the lack of color, however.

I also hated the wolf thing.

God. I hated the wolf thing.

The swordplay was cool. You got to learn really fancy and bad-ass looking moves throughout the game and it made you feel really bad ass while you were playing AS LINK. However, I find the motion controls far superior to the button-combos when it comes to the swordsmanship. Dash to the side, press A = do awesome dodge/strike. But in SS, dodge to the side, and just swing the sword whichever way you choose and watch it happen. I think that brings the game to life. I don't understand why people hated the motion controls. You have to either be totally closed-minded or else really lazy and just don't want to get up and move. XD

Also, Midna was pretty awesome. I hated her at first, but she completely grew on me. On a Zelda game scale, I would give Twilight Princess an 7-8 and SS a 10.

Why is it surprising? They're a gift that you spent time on...and it can matter who makes it, you know?

Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess it's only surprising because the entire time I was making them, I had every intention of her wearing them.

Taking what shows too seriously? Wtf? It is different than something you can buy, at least it is to me. I've never owned Chuck's before, so I have no idea how comfortable they'd be anyway. The closest thing to that I have are some Supra Skytops. But whatever, like I said, I wouldn't wear them much, if at all.

*shoes
Whoops! My bad, it was a typo. I was like, wtf is he talking about? Shows? XD I think Converse are pretty comfortable. They're a really good investment because they pretty much go with anything and you can wear them until they are literally falling apart since distress is kind of the style with them. They're also made of canvas, so it makes them a good medium to paint on if you're wanting custom shoes.

Initially, I felt motion control was a really stupid idea. But from playing a bunch, it wouldn't stop me from buying a Wii necessarily. I wonder when they'll get the Zelda game out on the new system though, it seems like the console has flopped initially...

Initially, I thought motion controls were the coolest thing ever. I remember reading in the news about the Wii when I was younger and then when my neighbor got one, it was magical. Motion Controls are completely retarded in some games. However, they're are brilliant in things like MarioKart or Zelda.

I sort of separate the 2D and 3D Zelda games when thinking about the best. It's sort of unfair to compare them. I think of the N64 games sort of as two different parts of the same game. Now, that's pretty unfair, considering how different the two games are. But I don't know...I need to replay them all this summer. Though my GameCube is broken...fucking shit laser

Yeah, it makes sense to categorize them that way. On the other hand, I feel like A Link to the Past completely holds its own again Twilight Princess or Wind Waker. They're different mechanics and all, but I like ALTTP more than WW for the most part.

Go buy another GameCube, Gary! They're only $20 at GameXChange (although I'm not sure if you have a franchise like that near you). I'm pretty sure they're still $30 at GameStop though. Mine is malfunctioning as well... Might go grab another at GameXChange. I haven't played Wind Waker in weeks and it's really starting to bother me.

Nintendo made a mistake in not releasing the console with a few big games at large. They need a proper super mario, a proper zelda, a proper super smash... Nintendo is still one of the best if not the best game developer out there, they must have some pretty sick ideas of what to do with their pad controller and those big names.

AMEN TO THAT! Many people that already bought the console are complaining that there isn't really much to play on it. That's why I'm going to wait a little bit. (also because I can't afford it right at this moment). I feel like the console is going to be great, they just had very poor timing with its release/what is was released with.

SUPER SMASH BROS WII U
ZELDA WII U

It makes all of my feels tingle with ecstasy!

 

[kkck]

If you didn't like Ghirahim, I guess there's always Demise since he was technically the final boss of the game anyway. I thought he had a lot pf personality and flare. He was interesting. When I saw him waiting for me on the top of a pillar or at the end of the dungeon, I would always be guessing "oh shit... what is he going to do now???" I don't really care about sooo many bosses and villains in video games, but Ghirahim was different. He was very human (despite being a demon) and I thought it added a lot to his character and the duels with him. Maybe he's a sterotypically effeminate villain, but as far as the Zelda franchise goes, it's a bit refreshing.



Not really sure what that even means... XD;;

Well, it is true ghirahim was far more developed than other villains. He was far more active in the plot than the TP guy and ganondorf in any other game.

HHmmm, how to I elaborate on this.... Ok, with ghirahim I liked that he was basically a part of demise, that he was active in the plot, his motivation made sense overall, the fights with the guy were a lot of fun and the way he made things kinda made sense (except for not killing link at any of the chances he had). What I did not like was his personality, to me it felt massively unnecessary so to speak. The whole effeminate villain is not interesting in the least, it felt like watching an US movie where every european bad guy is effeminate(and sophisticated and german).... The idea has been used and its lazy. Plain badass might be as lazy and cliche but at least there are some timeless elements to it

The open-world aspect of Skyward Sword is extremely lacking, there is no denying that. As far as the flying goes, I didn't mind it, really? I guess it did become a bit boring after a while, but it's not like the world was huge. It didn't take very long at all to get from place to place. I guess you just lost patience with it.



If the transportation is the biggest complaint you have over the game, then it's not much of an issue. I mean, you talk about flying being boring, but I found it FAR more entertaining than riding Epona. Riding a horse is boring. Flying over the world, skydiving, and spinning around on a giant bird is fun. I don't understand the argument there. The teleportation business always feels like a slight cop-out to me, although it can definitely be handy. Again, the world of Skyward Sword was not that big. You did not need teleportation to maneuver the world like you would in Twilight Princess. It would have been an unnecessary mechanic and wouldn't have made any sense in the story of the game.

My only complaint about the flying mechanic was that you couldn't do it at night. :/ That would have added a lot to the exploration possibilities.



Dude... I can't believe it was that big of an issue for you. XD Was it really that bad? ...If you think flying on the loftwing is bad, then don't play Spirit Tracks.

Well, there really isn't much to do when it comes to flying overall, that is my biggest issue. The scenery was incredible when flying but as I said sky is just a huge amount of empty space. You couldn't really explore and even if you were looking for cool stuff when flying you would spend most of the time trying to figure out how to fall precisely through the right place to get something. Even if you could do a couple cool things with the loftwing it gets repetitive very fast (IMO). With epona you could always do more things.... combat was fun, you could always find something to find, you could use basically any weapon from her and the controls were ultimately more convenient. And of course, riding epona could get repetitive and boring after a while (not as fast as the loftwing though) however the HUGE difference is that you could easily skip on using epona at all. The loftwing is basically forced on you at all times.

I think the best part about Epona in Twilight Princess is that you had horseback combat. Otherwise, I found it easier to turn into a wolf and run or just teleport through Twilight. Epona was completely useless the second half of the game. Twilight Princess is a phenomenal game. But I would never put it about Skyward Sword on my list. I think a lot of people are seduced by its more mature art style. I hated the lack of color, however.

I also hated the wolf thing.

God. I hated the wolf thing.

The swordplay was cool. You got to learn really fancy and bad-ass looking moves throughout the game and it made you feel really bad ass while you were playing AS LINK. However, I find the motion controls far superior to the button-combos when it comes to the swordsmanship. Dash to the side, press A = do awesome dodge/strike. But in SS, dodge to the side, and just swing the sword whichever way you choose and watch it happen. I think that brings the game to life. I don't understand why people hated the motion controls. You have to either be totally closed-minded or else really lazy and just don't want to get up and move. XD

Also, Midna was pretty awesome. I hated her at first, but she completely grew on me. On a Zelda game scale, I would give Twilight Princess an 7-8 and SS a 10.


AMEN TO THAT! Many people that already bought the console are complaining that there isn't really much to play on it. That's why I'm going to wait a little bit. (also because I can't afford it right at this moment). I feel like the console is going to be great, they just had very poor timing with its release/what is was released with.

SUPER SMASH BROS WII U
ZELDA WII U

It makes all of my feels tingle with ecstasy!

I did do the wolf thing more often than epona lol. I never really hated the wolf, what didn't you like about that? I disliked the part where I was basically forced into the wolf form but overall once you could transform at will the form was convenient and seriously helped you save time.

I did love the controls of SS although I wouldn't necessarily prefer them over what TP had. Its just different.... Overall I am not of the idea that motion gaming can actually replace normal controller gaming. There are cool things to both but I think there are certain games that should stick to a specific controller. Any game involving a sword will always be objectively better with proper motion gaming... any one person shooter will always be better with a controller (IMO). I guess there are some people that do prefer to not make the effort lol.

Well, there is the batman game but that was an old game when it came out... perhaps they didnt want their big titles to compete with third party games? Then again they didn't get any big third party games at large in the console. I don't think third party developers really would care about pad controller for that matter... Even with the wii all they saw was a low graphics and not the potential of motion gaming... Then again at the time nintendo was not big on third party game developers. I guess there will always be some lag between nintendo and third party developers.

 

[TheBoss]

I think nintendo still has a lot of room to improve the Zelda series. I may be wrong but I dont remember if there was a whole game passed in a dystopia where Ganon or ganondorf took control without the disturbance of the sages...

 

[riki]

Dorkly has a poll for the best Zelda game so if you want your favorite Zelda game to win, click on the link to begin. ^^

 

[xi0]

Wind Waker doesn't get enough dap. It's a tremendous game. If you don't like the cel-shading...you fail

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I guess I could try and see if the GameStops around here have them

 

[kkck]

WInd waker as all zelda games is an incredible game but I do think it falls short in comparison to the other console games. The game is way too easy to beat, its not even vaguely a challenge. Granted it is still a lot of fun to play but its not nearly as enjoyable as the others. I love the game but I can't say I would prefer it over OOT, MM, TP or SS.....

 

[xi0]

WInd waker as all zelda games is an incredible game but I do think it falls short in comparison to the other console games. The game is way too easy to beat, its not even vaguely a challenge. Granted it is still a lot of fun to play but its not nearly as enjoyable as the others. I love the game but I can't say I would prefer it over OOT, MM, TP or SS.....

I wouldn't say that either. My point is that it doesn't get the attention it deserves because it doesn't look like all of the other games in the series.

And I wouldn't say it was easy. I wouldn't say there was a Water Temple in the game either, though. It was the first game that really was made open-world with the sailing.

 

[kkck]

I wouldn't say that either. My point is that it doesn't get the attention it deserves because it doesn't look like all of the other games in the series.

And I wouldn't say it was easy. I wouldn't say there was a Water Temple in the game either, though. It was the first game that really was made open-world with the sailing.

Ahhh, I get your point. Perhaps it is the case, I have never really thought (or read) about it...

Well, the wind waker is the only zelda game I have played in which I have found it impossible to actually die. You get way too much HP way too early and enemies barely deal any damage at all. The battle system is incredibly well made and from a purely visual point of view its perhaps the best out there so far (SS was more fun to play and more complex but I never felt either it or TP came close to WW from a visual point of view) however with that there was the scenario that no enemy in the game actually had a shot. In TP when you rank into 3 iron knuckles the only reasonable attitude you could have was along the lines of "Ahhh, fuck". In WW running into 3 iron knuckles meant "Ok, I am just going to press A and pretend I am Houdini making them disappear. Or use the light arrow and BE Houdini". The other zelda games are not necessarily difficult to win but WW was way beneath them in the difficulty department. I guess the only really hard zelda I have played so far is SS in hero mode though.... and the original water temple.

 

[riki]

Dorkly has posted their list of the best ten Zelda games voted by their readers.

 

[TheBoss]

Meh I call the shenanigans on this pool

 

[riki]

What would your top 5 be?

 

[TheBoss]

Majora
Skyward
Twilight
Oracles
ALttP

^^

 

[Hardy]

As a guy that only finished Majora's and has that game in his... top10 favourites of all time, I understand why Oot is 1st, that game was revolutionary, same with a Link to the past.

 

[TheBoss]

As a guy that only finished Majora's and has that game in his... top10 favourites of all time, I understand why Oot is 1st, that game was revolutionary, same with a Link to the past.

Being revolutionary has nothing to do with being the best of them. Although I love OoT too.
Anyway its all personal opinions, so everyone is right xD

 

[xi0]

Being revolutionary has nothing to do with being the best of them. Although I love OoT too.
Anyway its all personal opinions, so everyone is right xD

Yeah it kind of does actually. It's why no one has a favorite Dragon Quest...they're all the same game!

 

[kdowns]

I've mentioned this to multiple people before, but honestly, I think OoT is overrated. I could never get into it when I played it, to me there never was that draw power which brings me into games. Twilight Princess, LttP, and a couple of the Hand held games did that. Also, OoT seemed really slow paced to me and often left me to wonder, "What the hell do I do now?" In a lot of the situations.

 

[kkck]

I agree in that being revolutionary is not the same as being the best. Games only get to be revolutionary once so by that logic no zelda game could ever conceivably even come close to OOT. While OOT was completely revolutionary and made the genre, TP had everything which was awesome about OOT and more. Rvolutionary? Not in the least. Perfect? Hell yes.