Chapter Tower of God Chapter 521 Spoilers & Discussion

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Tower Of God Chapter 521 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[EternalWinter]

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[SuperTurtle]

@sazon
What I meant about Jinsung is that I always put in in the commander level but now I think he might be a bit bellow.
Lyborick showed better results at close combat despite being a spear bearer.
I don't want to start another debate about it but I did raise an eyebrow when Lyborick easily blocked Kallavan like that.

And we may have a clue about Lyborick's inferiority complex. I could totaly see a pure Khun mock him for not being able to make a shinsu spear.

I also agree with everyone, the ranker feels a lot like Shibisu. It would explain why he is helping Bam's group. But there are two points against it:
- as far as I know the guards came with Oriari from the Lo Po Bia's ship and where never in the cat tower.
- any ranker can tel at a glance if they are looking at a regular or a ranker. And it's Oriari plus his father here.

And yes, Oriari is very lenient. It's as if the guard had plot armor.

And while I'm not complaining, the art was good.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

That would be a great lore and character development for Gustang. Since @Jubei_Kibagami (I think it was you) posted a pic of Harry (Potter), Hermione and Ronny I thought about Gustang as a Snape-like character. To me it looks like he's set up to eventually fail and have a scene where he's injured, laying on the ground, dropping his ego barrier and being sincere, reminiscing about things, regrets, et cetera

Yeah, twas me. Because if Mas has 3 stooges and one is freaking Asensio while the other is a bumbling idiot regular (ahem, Ship) then we have real competency ranges from high to low.

Of course we don't even know what the 2nd helper can do. All they did is open a cage... even a regular could do that, right? I guess the point is they are avoiding detection whoever they are, and this person just exposed his/her hand as being a regular.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Is it a stretch to say that the existence and relation of Yama (and maybe Paul) are unexpected surprises for Traum? It seems like they were being hidden thru their parents sacrifice and Yas is in on it too!

 

[Anzere1stclass]

But then Kallavan wouldn't be able to handle Lyb. SIU even brought the "exhausted card" already. Not that that shouldn't happen, but FUG's team at the main portal is already the underdog and things are set to become even worse since more enemies can appear through the portal. Kallavan losing to Lyb + more powerhouses coming through that portal would be very over the top

Lyborick is much most probably not even using 100% of his power he is toying with kallavan for the moment

 

[EternalWinter]

Baam has no natural grudge against the LPB!

They tried to kill Anak

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Yup. It fits the narrative surrounding the Aries.

- White's abilities of course
- The whole 'Arie's joining Hon's sword' thing was *supposedly* a metaphor, but I don't think so
- Was it not daddy Hon that gave the book of demons to begin with?
- Which, in turn, allowed them to gain power by absorbing souls
- Would make sense Arie Hon has such interest in his kids because he's fattening them up like Christmas geese to get slaughtered and absorb their power into him


Just like we learn from Jinsung - the TRUE power of the Ha is specialists, not so much their hides/skin. Yes, they have strong skin but the specialists ability is what they truly posses as a clan.

I'm thinking there could be a similar revelation with the Arie - their true powers are not swordsmanship (though they have that in spades), but soulsmanship.

That’s Dark. All the more reason for White/Vicente to kill him eventually

 

[sazon]

@sazon
What I meant about Jinsung is that I always put in in the commander level but now I think he might be a bit bellow.
Lyborick showed better results at close combat despite being a spear bearer.
I don't want to start another debate about it but I did raise an eyebrow when Lyborick easily blocked Kallavan like that.

And we may have a clue about Lyborick's inferiority complex. I could totaly see a pure Khun mock him for not being able to make a shinsu spear.

I also agree with everyone, the ranker feels a lot like Shibisu. It would explain why he is helping Bam's group. But there are two points against it:
- as far as I know the guards came with Oriari from the Lo Po Bia's ship and where never in the cat tower.
- any ranker can tel at a glance if they are looking at a regular or a ranker. And it's Oriari plus his father here.

And yes, Oriari is very lenient. It's as if the guard had plot armor.

And while I'm not complaining, the art was good.

Ah, I understand your thinking. I think the difference here is how Kallavan sees them, he all along underestimated Lyborick and didn't do that to HJ. And you can still use the tiredness card here.

I really think everyone (Kallavan, HJ, White, Yama, Yasratcha and Lyborick) are in the same league, with some having more advantages than others, like Yas more experienced than Yama in transformation, Kallavan being Ha's "natural enemy" and Arie and so on.

Your Counterpoint to being a regular is valid, but since the SIU has never explained how this identification works, it can simply ignore it. Yeah I know, but he's done a lot of it, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Arie raised human cattle for souls
ha are sexist
incestuous koon
Hendo Lok with sex slaves
LPB with genetic experiments.

Well, if that turns out to be true, I just want to see FH advocates saying that they are cute, puritanical human beings, that they wouldn't hurt anyone and that only their kids are bad.

 

[Baebyblue]

Yeah before he was named the boss but since dowon was awake he is now called the captain

I kinda confuse because the translation in webtoon on my country call him different...

I thought they different people

 

[PGT]

Hey, maybe he doesn't gain anything from it other than he just likes to dine on their souls because he can. lol

Lol that would be so twisted and fitting a corrupted god/someone who told his son to become a demon

But, that's fairly true.

- we KNOW Hendo has to do something like this, using his kids willingly or not to keep his life up... seems like something he wouldn't leave up to chance.
- Zahard uses princesses to keep the tower residents from complaining too much, and they are pretty disposable
- princes from the RLD seem to be unacceptable and live a shameful existence
- Eduan fucking everything and the hints at possible (probable?) incest scream child abuse
- Arie's are said to comprise Hon's sword. That could very well simply be both literal and figurative

It's not out of character to imagine what Hendo does is somehow systematic and farmable in a despicable way.

Uh, now you made me think, didn't Hwa Ryun said to Yihwa that Wangnan was Zahard's and 10 Families biggest sin/mistake/whatever? If what she meant was basically a human farm instead of talking only about the creation and existence of Wangnan and few others (Karaka; The Boss) it could be it, not only Zahard's fuckery because other (not all of them though) families would be involved as well, hence talking about the 10 families too in general

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Lol that would be so twisted and fitting a corrupted god/someone who told his son to become a demon



Uh, now you made me think, didn't Hwa Ryun said to Yihwa that Wangnan was Zahard's and 10 Families biggest sin/mistake/whatever? If what she meant was basically a human farm instead of talking only about the creation and existence of Wangnan and few others (Karaka; The Boss) it could be it, not only Zahard's fuckery because other (not all of them though) families would be involved as well, hence talking about the 10 families too in general

Agreed.

I could see it play out one of two ways, probably more, but nevertheless:

1. Hendo needed a 'farm' to survive. He plead his case to Zahard, who sees beings as toys anyways, and Zahard made it for him. Hendo uses it for children, but it's still shameful for Zahard to set up a sex-slavery farm in any event. Zahard likewise used it as his own testing facility.

or

2. Hendo set it up himself. Maybe it's not so bad for the girls - they can enter willingly, their families are compensated (as do they), they get treated fairly (well-fed, sheltered, entertained, better than the alternative of starving in the alleyways...), and maybe can even leave whenever - basically a harem of sorts. Though I doubt it - it's still creating children for the purpose of feeding Hendo their years, but hey, at least they get to live an average life. Zahard kicks the door in for his own 'needs' and uses it how he deems.



Either or results in a great shame on Zahard specifically.

 

[Cinera]

One thing is clear that in this chapter both kallavan and lyborik truly mocking each other

How was Lyborick mocking Kallavan? He seemed respectful throughout their interactions to me.

Beyond that, it's silly to think YHS or HWR didn't say something all this time, off-panel of course. Just because we didn't SEE it happen...

Do you think they just talked about the weather on the floor heading into battle?

Neither Hwa Ryun nor Yu Hansung are aware of the true scale of the Lo Po Bia Family's involvement. Hansung was even questioning Lyborick's offer to recruit Lefav for the upcoming war.

Perhaps this new power is SIU's way of making Baam escape Traumerai's anima control.

Being an Irregular should already do that.
If not his Irregular status on its own, then his spell immunity.
If not that, then being the vessel of the Outside God.

Baam is the last person that needs an excuse to be unaffected by Traumerei's anima abilities.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Ah, I understand your thinking. I think the difference here is how Kallavan sees them, he all along underestimated Lyborick and didn't do that to HJ. And you can still use the tiredness card here.

I really think everyone (Kallavan, HJ, White, Yama, Yasratcha and Lyborick) are in the same league, with some having more advantages than others, like Yas more experienced than Yama in transformation, Kallavan being Ha's "natural enemy" and Arie and so on.

Your Counterpoint to being a regular is valid, but since the SIU has never explained how this identification works, it can simply ignore it. Yeah I know, but he's done a lot of it, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Arie raised human cattle for souls
ha are sexist
incestuous koon
Hendo Lok with sex slaves
LPB with genetic experiments.

Well, if that turns out to be true, I just want to see FH advocates saying that they are cute, puritanical human beings, that they wouldn't hurt anyone and that only their kids are bad.

Empires usually don't age well. They grow rife with corruption and decadence of the ruling class.

Will the bloodshed to overthrow empire be worth it? That's always the question.

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@Cinera - you get some juicy nuggies here. Some good stuff about Khun spear utilization. What may be a counterfeit version of Maschenny-style attacks.

Oh, wouldn't it be great if Lyb's Khun side was a Maschenny lol

 

[Cinera]

@Cinera - you get some juicy nuggies here. Some good stuff about Khun spear utilization. What may be a counterfeit version of Maschenny-style attacks.

Oh, wouldn't it be great if Lyb's Khun side was a Maschenny lol

Lightning Spear Techniques are somewhat common in the Khun Family (e.g. the Hell Train Khun and Asensio seem to use them).

The Maschenny Style Lightning Spear technique is unique to the Maschennies and is considered "one of the ultimate Spear Techniques". It's a specific Lightning Spear technique, not the only one.


Kallavan and Lyborick's dialogue sounds like Lyborick was imitating a general lightning Spear Technique and not Maschenny's in particular.


If Lyborick was of Maschenny descent, he wouldn't need to imitate an inferior technique, since he would be capable of utilising an ultimate Spear Technique.


Of course all usage of the Maschenny Style Lightning Spear pale in comparison to Maschenny's own usage of the Technique.


Season 2 Chapter 47 Blog Post

The Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique that Ran uses is a Lightning Style technique invented by Maschenny Jahad, who made an appearance a while ago.

It’s a technique that turns Shinsu into a spear, so it grants the advantage of being able to take the Spear Bearer position without being armed with spears.

(Compared to ordinary shinsoo manipulation techniques, Lightning Spear techniques are much faster and have higher accuracy.)

As it allows one to participate in both short and long-range battles, it is considered to be one of the ‘ultimate spear techniques’.


The Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique is only passed down in Maschenny's branch of the Khun Family,
(in Ran's case, due to the Lightning Spear technique,
his ranking as a Spear Bearer is higher than his ranking as a Fisherman.)


However, after becoming a Ranker,
it is very difficult to take on the role of a professional Spear Bearer with the Lightening Spear technique alone.
(Because the level of other Spear Bearers become that much higher)

So later on, they're used more as a support role in close-range battles...


In Maschenny Zahard’s case, her lightning Spear technique is faaaaar stronger than a usual High Ranker’s spear technique.

In other words, if you have Maschenny on your team,
it's the same thing as having another High Ranker-level Spear Bearer on your Team.

Of course, the only person who can use the Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique so proficiently is Maschenny Zahard herself ^^;

Source


Considering that Lyborick is only imitating the ordinary Lightning Spear (not an ultimate technique like Maschenny's) and considering that Kallavan only said that he's (much) stronger than the average Lightning Spear Bearer, I expect Master Spear Bearers like Asensio to considerably exceed Lyborick as a Spear Bearer (of course, Lyborick's other abilities may bridge the gap, but evaluating them solely as Spear Bearers and considering only their Lightning Shinsu Quality, Asensio should be well above Lyborick. He's not regarded as "the Spear Master" of the Khun Family for nothing).


It goes without saying that Maschenny Zahard is in another class entirely as a Lightning Spear Bearer (the inventor of an ultimate Lightning Spear Technique, her usage of the technique vastly exceeds the usual High Rankers, and even among the Maschennies, she's the only one that can utilise the technique to its full potential).

She's probably second only to Eduan in the category of "Lightning Spear Bearers".


To be frank, my main takeaways from the chapter on this topic are:

• Lyborick is not actually all that strong as a Lightning Spear Bearer.
  • His real talents may lie elsewhere, especially because his "shape" is not a spear and he has Po Bidau genes.
  • He's only imitating the ordinary Lightning Spear technique, so it should pale in comparison to the Lightning Spear techniques of other Elite High Rankers.
  • Granted, Kallavan said that he's probably much stronger than the average Lightning Spear Bearer.
• The level of Elite Lightning Spear Bearers should considerably exceed what Lyborick is capable of.
  • Their genuine article should significantly exceed his mere imitation.
  • Depending on how Lyborick's Lightning Spear Bearer abilities stack against a serious Kallavan, I'll need to reevaluate them.

@hblock, @Shadowlord123: until further notice, Asensio is significantly stronger than Lightning Spear Bearer Lyborick (all out Lyborick can very well be a different case), but if you restrict Lyborick only to his lightning shinsu and his Spear Bearer abilities, he should fall well short of "Spear Master Asensio".

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Yup. It fits the narrative surrounding the Aries.

- White's abilities of course
- The whole 'Arie's joining Hon's sword' thing was *supposedly* a metaphor, but I don't think so
- Was it not daddy Hon that gave the book of demons to begin with?
- Which, in turn, allowed them to gain power by absorbing souls
- Would make sense Arie Hon has such interest in his kids because he's fattening them up like Christmas geese to get slaughtered and absorb their power into him


Just like we learn from Jinsung - the TRUE power of the Ha is specialists, not so much their hides/skin. Yes, they have strong skin but the specialists ability is what they truly posses as a clan.

I'm thinking there could be a similar revelation with the Arie - their true powers are not swordsmanship (though they have that in spades), but soulsmanship.

I think I wrote this originally in my old thread abt Shinsoo qualities. And on the thread of Olympic Gods/FH relationships.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I think I wrote this originally in my old thread abt Shinsoo qualities. And on the thread of Olympic Gods/FH relationships.

Credit to you either way, but which part do you mean?

 

[Cinera]

I'm just sad about these new power ups because SIU will throw them away later, Baam doesn't use the Thryssas for anything here anymore and the power of souls has been left out too.

1. He devoured the souls to power up for Dark Change vs White.
2. He used both Thryssa in the fight against White.

It seems odd that Mas would be relying on a regular to be one of the three elite she can trust to get shit done in her stead.

Yeah that's something that is still odd for me. Especially given that Yas and the others have atleast a High Ranker.

Before they came there, I kinda remember Khun and Isu (??) talking about what monsters Maschenny would bring along. And so far, only Asensio is shown to kind of live up with that term in her team. Given the number of Khun members who can be powerful and Mas's potential political power, one might expect someone more idk. confident or something and someone definitely that is not a Regular.

I don't think the guard is the Third Minion, but they could be another faceless subordinate of Maschenny's (though I'm currently sceptical of even this).

The guard's presence seemed too underwhelming (and they seemed too incompetent) for the Third Minion.

Perhaps Maschenny doesn't want to alert the family and has only moved pieces so that she can escape the Koon's view.

Asensio is someone with her own faction in the family and regulars aren't important until they become rankers, it's the best course of action for her here.

Asensio is not part of Maschenny's faction in the Khun Family (assuming that such a thing even exists).

Asensio founded and leads his own faction in the Khun Family:

And no, Maschenny is not acting behind or outside the Khun Family here. There's an alliance between the Khun and the Lo Po Bia Family:

And a promise between the two Families that the 8th Son expects Maschenny to uphold:

In general, comments like "Asensio" is part of Maschenny's faction (aside from the misunderstanding of Asensio's status within the Family) are a gross misreading of Maschenny's own position in the Khun Family.

Per SIU, she's the "central power" of the Khun Family:

Season 2 Chapter 105 Blog Post

A Princess who is a direct descendent of one of the 10 House Heads is especially influential and powerful.

If a Princess is from one of the 10 Families, she will become the central power of that Family in the future

Source

Furthermore, Maschenny is very special even among the Khun Family's Princesses. She's the only person to have been selected as a 13 Month Princess in the history of the Family.

Top 15 High Rankers Character Profiles (Khun Eduan)

One of his daughter, Koon Maschenny Zahard, is the owner of the Yellow May, and is the only princess of Zahard in his family who is given one of the 13 month weapons.

Source

SIU Q & As (13 Month Princesses)

Yellow May (Koon Maschenny Zahard) Koon family's only princess.

Source

Given her position in the Khun Family, it's likely that Maschenny is above such trivialities as factional struggles.


Leaving aside Maschenny's status as a 13 Month Princess for now, she would be able to call on any of Asensio's High Ranker subordinates or any of the High Rankers from the Maschenny Branch.

If she chose to bring a Regular to the Nest, then it was a deliberate choice. Potential reasons:

1. As a test/evaluation of their abilities
   • E.g. she might be training Ran and/or Maria.
2. Maybe she intended them to interact with Baam's Regular teammates.
   • E.g. Ran, Maria (and Kiseia) have important relationships with AA.
3. The Regular may have had special properties that made them useful for the mission she assigned them
   • E.g. Rachel's Irregular status would make her impossible to foresee by the Great Warriors.
   • This makes her ideal for something like releasing the Hybrider from its cage.

I believe the female minion was a Regular (I'm currently leaning towards Rachel for the aforementioned reasons), but I think the Third Minion is most likely a High Ranker (most likely Icardi, but if not him, maybe Elliot).

 

[Grace12025]

And a promise between the two Families that the 8th Son expects Maschenny to uphold:

Just a wild guess of how things will play out:

I'm pretty sure that the Khun family, represented by Maschenny, will not uphold whatever that promise is. I think Eduan and the Khun family will join the Po Bidau in betraying Zahard here in the nest, and all this talk about the alliance with the LPB family is nothing more than a bluff by Eduan.

Actually this reminds me of when Gustang asked Viole to retrieve "something" from the hidden floor. And now Bam is told to retrieve another thing from the Suspendium. Maybe another one of Zahard's weaknesses.

As for Lyborick, i think he's either a spy sent by the Khun/Po Bidau family to infiltrate the army, or he's actually just a pawn being used by Eduan/Gustang as a mediator of this scheme without him knowing it

 

[Cinera]

Bloodmadder is the weakest, it would be sad for Traumerai to be inferior to someone who didn't even get an immortality contract

1. Bloodmadder is ranked #16.
   • Above 3 other Family Heads (Yeon Hana, Lo Po Bia Traumerei, Ari Han)
   • This is despite not a single one of his children becoming a Ranker.
2. The Eduan and Bloodmadder combo was the strongest.
   • Superior even to a Tu Perie and Blossom combo.
   • And every combo involving Zahard.
3. Bloodmadder being denied the immortality contract doesn't make him any weaker.

It's virtually impossible for Bloodmadder to be the weakest Family Head.

Lyb is a spear bearer, he just isn't a lightning spear user like Maschenny and Ran.

He's not a natural Lightning Spear Bearer. He's been fighting by imitating the Lightning Spear technique.

ignition weapons are made from living people who’s souls were put in the weapon

Source, please.

From the wiki, so take this for what it's worth:

"The Ghost of the 13 Months is the soul of the first person who once failed the initial selection process to become a Princess of Zahard. As a result, it resents the chosen Princesses, and so it made a deal with King Zahard to infiltrate into the spirits of the 13 Months in order to torment the other Princesses."

Seems kind of a jealousy-based grudge to me?

Yeah, but this is a curse applied to the 13 Months. It's not the weapons themselves that bear the grudge is what I'm saying.

 

[Yhamir ♤♧]

Imagine lyborick being betrayed like kallavan by the lpb army

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His corps is full of lpb so they can make a coup d’état to kill him by the will of the fh
(Maybe lyborick is manipulated from the start)

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Credit to you either way, but which part do you mean?

That the Arie have Hades-like power and that their Shinsoo is white because they correlate to soul manipulation. Sword shape would encase souls, just like ancient japanese believe in spirit embedding onto swords when forging. Not criticizing you, please continue. Just adding the rest of that line of thought that's already written down. Long time since I expect people to visit these thoughts too. XD

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Also, that the white 13 month that looks like a scepter could be Hon's 13 month. A scepter that manipulates souls.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

That the Arie have Hades-like power and that their Shinsoo is white because they correlate to soul manipulation. Sword shape would encase souls, just like ancient japanese believe in spirit embedding onto swords when forging. Not criticizing you, please continue. Just adding the rest of that line of thought that's already written down. Long time since I expect people to visit these thoughts too. XD

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Also, that the white 13 month that looks like a scepter could be Hon's 13 month. A scepter that manipulates souls.

All sounds good actually, and goes together nicely.