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What about Urek? What about Baek Ryun ?evan is a top 100 and guid and he doesnt seems to be that strong... the ranking is not always about strenght ! especially when it comes to FH, they are clearly above the rest...
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Welp, SIU has specifically said that ranking is more than about power. Power is a factor of course, definitely an important one, but there's plenty of cases of ranks not necessarily matching power. Jinsung got his ass handed to him by kallavan and kallavan likely was not ranked higher than jinsung. Evankhel got kicked out of the top 60 exclusively because she lost her job as ruler.Ranks #1
Ranks #2
Rank #3
Rank #4
Ranks #7 (Enne)
Rank #9
this rankers proved that is about power!
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Gustang also called Wholkhaison a playground for kids while having ranker #4 and ranker #9 as leaders
only 2 groups have 2 people in the top 10
Zahard Empire
Wolkhaison
he still called his group a playground
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People need to read not just the chapter but also the context and the way these words were said.
Hold up,what? Am i somehow in the minority here beliving that FUG (without Luslec) vs Lo Po Bia (without Trau) is clearly won by FUG?While fug is not as powerful as a single family
Wasn't jinsung winning the 1v1 before Mascheny came in from the back?Jinsung got his ass handed to him by kallavan
I have heard that quite often. Ranks are not just about power. What i didn't hear that often though - what exactly are they about?Welp, ranks are not exclusively about power. While fug is not as powerful as a single family and luslec isn't at the front, the organization does have some power to speak of and is extremely active across the tower. What this means is simply that some suits at the ranking office thought luslec deserved a ranking higher than a family head.
I wouldn't think that someone in the tower remembering khel at all means he shouldn't be a blue hole. Forgotten here probably means by a plurality of rankers. By all appearances khel hellam was extremely active during the genesis war which was fought by the armies of the empire and direct descendants. You'd think it's higher ups, who for the most part should be extremely old, would remember powerful high rankers.
In old blog posts SIU has made the point that FUG doesn't stand a chance against the 10 families. And I think the more recent chapters easily support this. Consider the stronger rankers in fug we are familiar with:Hold up,what? Am i somehow in the minority here beliving that FUG (without Luslec) vs Lo Po Bia (without Trau) is clearly won by FUG?
Even with just what we've seen so far from fug, which is less than half of its strong members, id still put my money on FUG
I kinda need an explanation on this one chief cuz i dont get it
Wasn't jinsung winning the 1v1 before Mascheny came in from the back?
Yeah, SIU said that Evan is about as strong as Yuri.evan is a top 100 and guid and he doesnt seems to be that strong... the ranking is not always about strenght ! especially when it comes to FH, they are clearly above the rest...
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If we only include the characters we know from each side I don't see how FUG wins. We just saw Dumas defeat two of their Slayers + Jinsung in a flash. Dumas is not a LPB but he should be around the same level as Kirin and Lobadon.Hold up,what? Am i somehow in the minority here beliving that FUG (without Luslec) vs Lo Po Bia (without Trau) is clearly won by FUG?
Even with just what we've seen so far from fug, which is less than half of its strong members, id still put my money on FUG
I kinda need an explanation on this one chief cuz i dont get it
Wasn't jinsung winning the 1v1 before Mascheny came in from the back?
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Is Doom considered a FUG member right now? I don't think so. Makes more sense to add White instead.In old blog posts SIU has made the point that FUG doesn't stand a chance against the 10 families. And I think the more recent chapters easily support this. Consider the stronger rankers in fug we are familiar with:
Luslec
Yama
Khel Hellam
Jinsung
Karaka
Sophia
Doom
YHS
There's more but those are the bigger ones we know... Welp, We just saw that dumas can easily murder yama, jinsung, karaka and current bam while barely trying. Luslec has precisely zero chance against a family head. Luslec doesn't win with luck 1 out of 100 battles.
Jinsung got his ass handed to him by kallavan easily through the entirety of the fight. Jinsung's attacks simply didn't do anything to kallavan. Once kallavan activated his essence of bravery he proceeded to break jinsung's arms. The only thing jinsung did through the entirety of the fight that did damage to kallavan was the tiger dragon floral butterfly. Jinsung's hail mary could have gotten him a win had mascheny not interphered but that "could" is pretty huge. I don't agree with the idea that Jinsung was stronger than kallavan when the entirely of jinsung's arsenal is worthless except for an absurdly risky hail mary.
The answer to that is that ranks are wonky an siu can do whatever he wants with them. The honest to god lore here regarding ranks is that zahard asked tommy to start the ranking administration office to have rankings. A lot later urek went to tommy's assistant robert to complain about his rank and robert told urek to his god damn face that he would lose to phataminum and urek had to back down. Otherwise we don't really know how the ranking administration weights things in order to assign a rank. SIU probably doesn't either.I have heard that quite often. Ranks are not just about power. What i didn't hear that often though - what exactly are they about?
Let's take the Luslec / Yeon example.
Things we know: 1) your strength plays a role
i think it is clear who should win that one.
2) your position can influence the ranking (Evankhell)
again, this is clear - a Family Head should have more influence than Luslec
3) big feats. Since Luslec didn't handle them himself for a long time, that one should be (at the very best) a draw.
So - what else does matter for the ranking? And why do you think that Luslec is better in those categories than Hana?
Let me get this straight. You say that Luslec can't be a blue hole, because he isn't forgotten.
Then you tell me that it is completely fine to be remembered by some people and still be a blue Hole.
Who remembers and doesn't remember Luslec? Or Khell? If you don't know, how can you rule it out? If you do, please tell me.
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Yeah, I think the story is pretty clear on this. After the wall of peaceful coexistence there was a bit about yama finally being a true slayer and solving his issues with his siblings. And then doom participated in the battle at the nest alongside yama. I didn't add white because he is effectively gone from the story. Vicente in turn has never had anything to do with fug. That said, even if you add him I don't think this changes things much. I can't see dumas vs white ending much different from dumas vs everyone else. He just gets nuked...Is Doom considered a FUG member right now? I don't think so. Makes more sense to add White instead.
of course doom is a fug member and white isnt particularly powerful right now.Yeah, SIU said that Evan is about as strong as Yuri.
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If we only include the characters we know from each side I don't see how FUG wins. We just saw Dumas defeat two of their Slayers + Jinsung in a flash. Dumas is not a LPB but he should be around the same level as Kirin and Lobadon.
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Is Doom considered a FUG member right now? I don't think so. Makes more sense to add White instead.
Be more specific.in the way you said it, he's talking about all 10 families and also their heads includeds SIU has made the point that FUG doesn't stand a chance against the 10 families
We saw dumas's fancy ass attack failing to finish off injured yama after being dropped by injured jinsung . In theory you could put jinsung in karaka's armor and have a better dumas .And judging by the reaction to Khel Hellam's arrival the implication seems to be that they are in the same league. Khel also performed decently in a similar situation vs yama+evankhell and i don't remember him catching any Ls like dumas did. If anything is embarrassing that jinsung clapped him and he had to rely on the armor shenanigans to surviveWe just saw that dumas can easily murder yama, jinsung, karaka and current bam while barely trying.
What does this even mean. This one is the most fuked up. You make it sound like if mascheny didn't intervene kalavan still had a chance at that point,and a good one at that. Im not arguing this one anymore,this one is ridiculousbut that "could" is pretty huge
“People need to read not just the chapter but also the way the words are said and the context”Welp, SIU has specifically said that ranking is more than about power. Power is a factor of course, definitely an important one, but there's plenty of cases of ranks not necessarily matching power. Jinsung got his ass handed to him by kallavan and kallavan likely was not ranked higher than jinsung. Evankhel got kicked out of the top 60 exclusively because she lost her job as ruler.
SIU has also referred to wolfhaikson as a social group. And their aim to leave the tower... With those two in mind gustang's phrasing seems spot on. With Urek, a whale, trying to lead guppies into the vast ocean. It'd be different if wolfhaikson was actively fighting against the empire.
The Zahard empire has shown each time why they are the strongest family, the 10 FHs in other hands have not proven to be superior to WH and FUG.Welp, SIU has specifically said that ranking is more than about power. Power is a factor of course, definitely an important one, but there's plenty of cases of ranks not necessarily matching power. Jinsung got his ass handed to him by kallavan and kallavan likely was not ranked higher than jinsung. Evankhel got kicked out of the top 60 exclusively because she lost her job as ruler.
SIU has also referred to wolfhaikson as a social group. And their aim to leave the tower... With those two in mind gustang's phrasing seems spot on. With Urek, a whale, trying to lead guppies into the vast ocean. It'd be different if wolfhaikson was actively fighting against the empire.
You are clearly reading another TOG, if you read the chapters you saw more than once Rich telling Dumas not to kill anyone, in short Dumas was holding back throughout the fight and showed with an attack that he could kill Jinsung, Yama and Karaka the moment he he wanted, Jinsung himself said that he would take advantage of the fact that his opponent wasn't hitting vital points, the only way for Jinsung to hurt Dumas is with his strongest attack, Dumas could hurt Jinsung with any attack, and if it were a fight to seriously Jinsung probably wouldn't even be able to use his best attack because Dumas would have already killed him, didn't Widow do well against a weakened Evankhell? she KO'd her with an attack, and Jinsung vs Pudidy don't forget that Pudidy didn't have his best shinheuh, and even Jinsung said that Pudidy was in bad shape, FUG is not a threat to any family, FUG without Luslec would lose to LPB without Traum, I doubt there is anyone out there that Luslec is superior to regents, if I'm not mistaken Kell said that Yama at that time when he was weaker than was comparable to the first generation, and how many HR does FUG have? look at the quantity of HR we have already seen from LPB and there is still more to be shown, they are superior in quality and quantity. and the FUG is not a threat to the empire, it is logical that it is not just against everything together, or do you think that wolhaiksong and workshop, as incredible as they are, would stand up individually against 11 irregulars and their respective families, so for me, a threat to the empire is to threaten at minus some GF something that FUG clearly can't do.Be more specific.in the way you said it, he's talking about all 10 families and also their heads included
We saw dumas's fancy ass attack failing to finish off injured yama after being dropped by injured jinsung . In theory you could put jinsung in karaka's armor and have a better dumas .And judging by the reaction to Khel Hellam's arrival the implication seems to be that they are in the same league. Khel also performed decently in a similar situation vs yama+evankhell and i don't remember him catching any Ls like dumas did. If anything is embarrassing that jinsung clapped him and he had to rely on the armor shenanigans to survive
Im curious to see what y'all come up with cuz is not like he was taken by surprise. He was aware that it was coming, tried to defend and failed to do so. So what will the cope be? that he wasn't trying hard enough? he totally could've done just trust me bro ,just 1 more fancy attack bro,im sure this time the attack won't fail and dumas will manage to block
Btw,for now i see no reason as to why jinsung's finisher wouldn't just instakill ppl like labadon and kirin.And i doubt labadon's wood would do a better job at zooning than duma's spears,i also doubt 1 handed labadon is a much better and resilient melee combatant than kalavan
As for the kalavan fight... i don't even know what to say,thats as clear as they come, especially in tog
What does this even mean. This one is the most fuked up. You make it sound like if mascheny didn't intervene kalavan still had a chance at that point,and a good one at that. Im not arguing this one anymore,this one is ridiculous
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> attacks didn't do much against the dude whos whole thing is being resilient
yeah no shit
For the record,i've never been a fan of how well jinsung is doing despite having no slayer title nor being and elder. But not liking it is no reason to deny it. This is past the point were we can say it just came out the wrong way. Its clearly done intentionally by Siu for whatever reason.
Also,he fought one of the supposedly top 5 strongest in the lo po bia (pudidy) while injured with little difficulty and i've no reason to not trust his implied assertion that kalavan was stronger than pudidy. Forget getting past him pudidy and holan didn't even manage to push him back from that position
Horse dude from what i remember failed to stop anyone from dogpiling on traumerei despite that being his job and speciality. his special restraining technique broken as soon as yama started trying a little
Spider lady wasn't doing so hot against tired evankhell
>but they didn't have their upper dupper pets with them (for whatever reason)
Neither did the enemy use their special moves and forms on them
FUG already walked all over the combined forces of LPB and ZA in the story despite the plot giving yama a comically high number of Ls and removing White cuz it would've been too easy otherwise. Traumerai had to fight himself and even he wouldn't be there if kalavan didn't change sides for dubious reasons at the last second
you clearly dont have any idea how to read any manga webtoon or otherwise. your way way way over playing the he's trying to not kill him holding back angle look at literally any fighting manga the whole i am holding back is a staple of tons of them guess who tends to win the fight once everyone gets serious? hint it isnt the one holding back.You are clearly reading another TOG, if you read the chapters you saw more than once Rich telling Dumas not to kill anyone, in short Dumas was holding back throughout the fight and showed with an attack that he could kill Jinsung, Yama and Karaka the moment he he wanted, Jinsung himself said that he would take advantage of the fact that his opponent wasn't hitting vital points, the only way for Jinsung to hurt Dumas is with his strongest attack, Dumas could hurt Jinsung with any attack, and if it were a fight to seriously Jinsung probably wouldn't even be able to use his best attack because Dumas would have already killed him, didn't Widow do well against a weakened Evankhell? she KO'd her with an attack, and Jinsung vs Pudidy don't forget that Pudidy didn't have his best shinheuh, and even Jinsung said that Pudidy was in bad shape, FUG is not a threat to any family, FUG without Luslec would lose to LPB without Traum, I doubt there is anyone out there that Luslec is superior to regents, if I'm not mistaken Kell said that Yama at that time when he was weaker than was comparable to the first generation, and how many HR does FUG have? look at the quantity of HR we have already seen from LPB and there is still more to be shown, they are superior in quality and quantity. and the FUG is not a threat to the empire, it is logical that it is not just against everything together, or do you think that wolhaiksong and workshop, as incredible as they are, would stand up individually against 11 irregulars and their respective families, so for me, a threat to the empire is to threaten at minus some GF something that FUG clearly can't do.
I dont even disagree with this one. I don't even disagree that jinsung would've still been the underdog even if he was healthy and the armor wasn't in play. But you people are acting like these ppl are multiple leagues ahead and the fug memebers are of no concern when is pretty clear they are in the same or adjacent leagues. For an example look at labadon vs hugo,labadon though the gap was large enough to the point where he could just simply negate her attacks.That wasn't the case and he had to resort to attacking to incapacitate her. Meanwhile we see duma constantly on the ofesnsive against these ppl. He succeded in taking a hand from karaka,almost succeded with yama and failed to incapacitate jinsung. Like,why even bother if you are that far ahead,the attacks these ppl can do supposedly won't work and you can stop or block them at any time right? Is not like you'd fail in stopping an attack that would've killed you if not for the armor. Like,even by the most basic of powerscaling the gap can't be larger than the one between hugo a top po bidau and labadon a top 3 lo po biaif it were a fight to seriously Jinsung probably wouldn't even be able to use his best attack because Dumas would have already killed him
Duma's left forearm would disagree. There he lost in both durability and str to jinsung. I find it hard to believe he could muster more without a transformation as this much was already enough to break parts of his body. Not dodging the finisher also makes me think he's lower on speedthe only way for Jinsung to hurt Dumas is with his strongest attack
Maybe you misremember. It was the other way around,jinsung was in bad shapeJinsung said that Pudidy was in bad shape
Ok let's recapthey are superior in quality and quantity
Yeah, I think the story is pretty clear on this. After the wall of peaceful coexistence there was a bit about yama finally being a true slayer and solving his issues with his siblings. And then doom participated in the battle at the nest alongside yama. I didn't add white because he is effectively gone from the story. Vicente in turn has never had anything to do with fug. That said, even if you add him I don't think this changes things much. I can't see dumas vs white ending much different from dumas vs everyone else. He just gets nuked...
They offered to make him a Slayer but he didn't fulfill the conditions in the end IIRC. I don't see it that way, Yama stopped fighting with his two brothers and was chosen as leader, it doesn't mean the others counted as FUG members. They chose him as leader of the Houndborn and he went to war with the them + the Houndborns army. The army is an asset for FUG but they aren't FUG members, same way Baam's friends are kind of an asset for FUG when they help him like this but not FUG members themselves.of course doom is a fug member and white isnt particularly powerful right now.
Why are you talking about other series when we saw Jinsung, Baam, Karaka and Yama on the verge of death at the same time? The recent chapters made it clear that Jinsung wouldn't be able to do anything if Dumas had been serious from the start.you clearly dont have any idea how to read any manga webtoon or otherwise. your way way way over playing the he's trying to not kill him holding back angle look at literally any fighting manga the whole i am holding back is a staple of tons of them guess who tends to win the fight once everyone gets serious? hint it isnt the one holding back.
what are you talking about? Dumas made a point of not killing anyone there. It's beyond absurd to suggest he failed to do so when he was literally not trying. The reality is that dumas could have killed everyone there quite easily.Be more specific.in the way you said it, he's talking about all 10 families and also their heads included
We saw dumas's fancy ass attack failing to finish off injured yama after being dropped by injured jinsung . In theory you could put jinsung in karaka's armor and have a better dumas .And judging by the reaction to Khel Hellam's arrival the implication seems to be that they are in the same league. Khel also performed decently in a similar situation vs yama+evankhell and i don't remember him catching any Ls like dumas did. If anything is embarrassing that jinsung clapped him and he had to rely on the armor shenanigans to survive
Im curious to see what y'all come up with cuz is not like he was taken by surprise. He was aware that it was coming, tried to defend and failed to do so. So what will the cope be? that he wasn't trying hard enough? he totally could've done just trust me bro ,just 1 more fancy attack bro,im sure this time the attack won't fail and dumas will manage to block
Btw,for now i see no reason as to why jinsung's finisher wouldn't just instakill ppl like labadon and kirin.And i doubt labadon's wood would do a better job at zooning than duma's spears,i also doubt 1 handed labadon is a much better and resilient melee combatant than kalavan
As for the kalavan fight... i don't even know what to say,thats as clear as they come, especially in tog
What does this even mean. This one is the most fuked up. You make it sound like if mascheny didn't intervene kalavan still had a chance at that point,and a good one at that. Im not arguing this one anymore,this one is ridiculous
And like
> attacks didn't do much against the dude whos whole thing is being resilient
yeah no shit
For the record,i've never been a fan of how well jinsung is doing despite having no slayer title nor being and elder. But not liking it is no reason to deny it. This is past the point were we can say it just came out the wrong way. Its clearly done intentionally by Siu for whatever reason.
Also,he fought one of the supposedly top 5 strongest in the lo po bia (pudidy) while injured with little difficulty and i've no reason to not trust his implied assertion that kalavan was stronger than pudidy. Forget getting past him pudidy and holan didn't even manage to push him back from that position
Horse dude from what i remember failed to stop anyone from dogpiling on traumerei despite that being his job and speciality. his special restraining technique broken as soon as yama started trying a little
Spider lady wasn't doing so hot against tired evankhell
>but they didn't have their upper dupper pets with them (for whatever reason)
Neither did the enemy use their special moves and forms on them
FUG already walked all over the combined forces of LPB and ZA in the story despite the plot giving yama a comically high number of Ls and removing White cuz it would've been too easy otherwise. Traumerai had to fight himself and even he wouldn't be there if kalavan didn't change sides for dubious reasons at the last second
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Doom iirc was made a slayer. And then yama made a deal with fug and took over. Given how the canine war ended I don't see any reason to think every subordinate of yama, a slayer, isn't considered a part of fug.They offered to make him a Slayer but he didn't fulfill the conditions in the end IIRC. I don't see it that way, Yama stopped fighting with his two brothers and was chosen as leader, it doesn't mean the others counted as FUG members. They chose him as leader of the Houndborn and he went to war with the them + the Houndborns army. The army is an asset for FUG but they aren't FUG members, same way Baam's friends are kind of an asset for FUG when they help him like this but not FUG members themselves.
I am not saying that White would change anything but he was once a Slayer and has been cooperating with Karaka for a good while, I think he is considered as FUG member. Plus White is the fusion of the 5 siblings, he is still here, but controlled by Vicente, not Hoaqin , who said that he still wants to kill Hon IIRC.
Why are you talking about other series when we saw Jinsung, Baam, Karaka and Yama on the verge of death at the same time? The recent chapters made it clear that Jinsung wouldn't be able to do anything if Dumas had been serious from the start.
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WH is pretty powerful as far as we know and it is lead by urek but it's not really in any power struggle with anyone. The revolutionaries are framed in a similar manner to fug, a bunch of ragtag folk trying to get a win against unbeatable and unkillable enemies. There's no doubt zahard's forces are the mightiest around, iirc SIU in some blog post said specifically that.“People need to read not just the chapter but also the way the words are said and the context”
The Zahard empire has shown each time why they are the strongest family, the 10 FHs in other hands have not proven to be superior to WH and FUG.
I'm sorry! FUG has also not shown why they represent the dark side of the tower!
I will put it like this
Strongest groups in TOG:
#1 Zahard empire
#2 WH
#3 Revs
#4 10 Families
# 5 FUG
we don’t know shit about the Great father and his 4 androids sons so i can’t put them anywhere but im sure they are above the #4 and #5 on my list im talking about Masecth groups
I never said I disagreed with you regarding Dumas's ability to beat them all. Doom was once a Slayer, but I am not sure he is considered a FUG member as of now. Unlike White who is a Slayer Candidate. I think Hellam might be able to beat Dumas but I wouldn't bet on him. And yes, some of the hidden Slayers probably. FUG can't be that outclassed by a Towerborn.Doom iirc was made a slayer. And then yama made a deal with fug and took over. Given how the canine war ended I don't see any reason to think every subordinate of yama, a slayer, isn't considered a part of fug.
hmm, ok? but it's not really relevant to my post. One more or less fighter doesn't change much for the purposes of my post. Which was that dumas alone can wreck multiple CC and slayer type fighters simultaneously. and the PB have 2 warriors stronger than him... Who in fug can potentially defeat dumas? As far as I can tell the hopes would lie on luslec, imort and seto... Khel hellam seems powerful but not wreck yama and jinsung simultaneously strong. I suppose that leaves other potential elders, luslec, imort and seto...
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what are you talking about none of them were seriously hurt and all of them wanted to keep fightingThey offered to make him a Slayer but he didn't fulfill the conditions in the end IIRC. I don't see it that way, Yama stopped fighting with his two brothers and was chosen as leader, it doesn't mean the others counted as FUG members. They chose him as leader of the Houndborn and he went to war with the them + the Houndborns army. The army is an asset for FUG but they aren't FUG members, same way Baam's friends are kind of an asset for FUG when they help him like this but not FUG members themselves.
I am not saying that White would change anything but he was once a Slayer and has been cooperating with Karaka for a good while, I think he is considered as FUG member. Plus White is the fusion of the 5 siblings, he is still here, but controlled by Vicente, not Hoaqin , who said that he still wants to kill Hon IIRC.
Why are you talking about other series when we saw Jinsung, Baam, Karaka and Yama on the verge of death at the same time? The recent chapters made it clear that Jinsung wouldn't be able to do anything if Dumas had been serious from the start.