Seinen Vagabond by Inoue Takehiko

[thorsama]

Re: 216 Discussion [Vagabond]

I don't exactly remember but right after that scene the story shifts to 8 or 9 days prior to the end of that duel. So I'm assuming that in 217 Musashi is gonna lop off Denshichiro's arm. But seeing this chapter reminds me why I love this manga's character development so much. All the wisdom/training that I'nei and Sekishusai gave to Musashi is beginning to come through and show how awesome he is as a swordsman. To become so skillful that one no longer needs the sword to win is something that Musashi is finally starting to understand. Splendid chapter!

And contrary to what Gold Knight posted, I think there's a lot of suspense right now. Because just seeing how everyone is going to react is gonna be gold when they see Denshichiro defeated. Plus, right in that last page the shot of Denshichiro's wife and son is a good foreshadow of how Takehiko is gonna delve into Denshichiro's past and character. Much in the same way that he did for Seijuro right before he was cut in half. I'm pretty sure Takehiko will do that because he's done that for just about every duel Mushashi's had, like when he fought Baiken and Inshun. Denshichiro is an intresting character too so I'm sure Takehiko will spend some time with him before he bites the dust.

 

[Gold Knight]

Re: 216 Discussion [Vagabond]

I suppose I just meant foreshadowing as in the outcome of the battle, but there's still some things to be determined, yes.

 

[Siedhr]

Re: Vagabond Discussion Thread

Good idea, GK. Time to get a bit more organized.

In other related news, Manga-sketchbook just released the Viz version of volume 22. Here's the torrent link. I still like our version better, though I'm keeping both of them, naturally.

 

[NeoShweaty]

Re: Vagabond Discussion Thread

Im not gonna bother downloading it again. I really dislike how they scan in licensed manga but that may just be me..... *has to find the time to work on chapter 216 (is almost done)*

 

[NeoShweaty]

Vagabond anime/OVA, good or bad?

Personally, despite the obvious great material they would have to draw upon, i dont think Vagabond could make it as an OVA or anime. I mean the pictures really work for this series. I am not sure why but there is this feeling that cant really be done (unless, imo, they spend a ton of money on it) in animation. Am I wrong or will we be seeing Vagabond announced as an ova soon?

 

[Siedhr]

Re: Vagabond OVA, good or bad?

I think there's simply too much story for an OVA. Unless they focus on a single important moment, like

Spoiler

the battle at Ganryujima, but that would kill the story.

I would love to see Vagabond animated, but it would take a lot of money to create the type of animation that would do the manga justice.

Have you heard anything about OVA or is it just something that crossed your mind?

 

[NeoShweaty]

Re: Vagabond OVA, good or bad?

its just something that crossed my mind. I guess i should have said ova or anime, either one.

Take Slam Dunk, for example. Admittedly, it isnt quite the style of artwork in vagabond seeing as he has honed his artstyle much more over the last few years but i have seen the anime and compared to the manga, it is sort of meh. Vagabond is a project that could be really good or really bad seeing as the animation quality plays a big role. I just dont see an anime happening that would do it justice and that sucks alot.

 

[zindryr]

Re: Vagabond anime/OVA, good or bad?

I just dont see an anime happening that would do it justice and that sucks alot.

Actually, the guys doing the new Hellsing OVAs could probably capture the art style perfectly, (even though there have been some complaints with the animation style, that were fixed very thoroughly in the second OVA). Considering the new OVAs for Hellsing are the artstyle almost exactly, though the arstyle is fairly difficult to capture in an animated form, (at least in my opinion).

It would be possible, but it would take a lot of money and a lot of time to do it right, which no company is willing to do. (Hellsing OVA guys aside).

 

[Siedhr]

217 Discussion [Vagabond]

A new week and a new chapter is here.

Raw: here
Translation: here

Discuss away.

 

[zaku2]

Re: Musashi - Eiji Yoshikawa

I picked up the book at Amazon.ca here is Canada, but Amazon.com has it as well. Below is a link to the one I got.

http://www.amazon.ca/Musashi-Eiji-Y...ef=sr_1_9/702-6169700-8486407?ie=UTF8&s=books

 

[zindryr]

Re: 217 Discussion [Vagabond]

fj;lsdfjl;aksj GREAT CHAPTER.

To me anyway. I'll translate when I get home, here's a spoiler summary.

Summary:

Spoiler

Denshichiro has thrown everything away for this fight. He doesn't plan to win. He doesn't plan to live the rest of his life. Some of his Ten Swords are frightened, and are left with just believing in Denshichiro. Denshichiro can only move forward, and a ghost from the past, his father, confirms it. However, as Denshichiro moves forward...

[br]Posted on: October 19, 2006, 12:27:25 PM_________________________________________________Translation: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=9978.0

 

[Gold Knight]

Re: 217 Discussion [Vagabond]

Great chapter. Totally caught me off guard. I thought Denshichiro wasn't going to have any chance whatsoever in this battle judging by the sneak preview glimpse we got of the fight much earlier on, but looks like we were all misled.

Of course, Denshichiro fighting left-handed (?) and without a right hand is pretty bad odds for him, but I'm curious to see how Musashi gets out of this one anyway. Whatever the outcome, Denshichiro has definitely gained a little bit more respect from me.

 

[thorsama]

Re: 217 Discussion [Vagabond]

It's almost like the roles of both characters have been reversed. In their first encounter Musashi was willing to sacrafice anything for victory against the Yoshioka. While Denshichiro remained calm and collected. Now Denshichiro is doing exactly what Musashi did in their first duel. Oh, and it's Denshichiro's left hand that gets cut off. I feel the same way as Gold Knight about Denshichiro, he's gained a couple of cool points after the last chapter, but too bad he's gonna bite the dust in the next chapter. And I am curious to see what Musashi does to Denshichiro, because in the beginning of this story arc I saw Denshichiro lying on the ground and Musashi standing up holding a bloody sword.

 

[NeoShweaty]

Re: 217 Discussion [Vagabond]

could somebody please point me to the place where musashi is standing above Denshichiro ? i.e. the place where everyone found the results of this battle out. It would help me a bunch

 

[Siedhr]

Re: 217 Discussion [Vagabond]

It's the first chapter from volume 21 (chapter 180), if I understand what you're asking correctly.

 

[NeoShweaty]

Re: 217 Discussion [Vagabond]

hmmm, i guess i read that too long ago. I'll check it out

 

[ironthought]

Re: Vagabond anime/OVA, good or bad?

if they do the anime in black and white that would allow them to preserve alot of the depth of the manga. did you guys see the animatix? do you remember the "detective story"? that had alot of depth to it. it would cost a ton of moey to make cause they couldnt cut corners on the production or it'd look like crap (they hair would have to be animated, clothing facial expressions) and doing a OVA might not work cause there is way to much material to compress in to several episodes. who knows maybe some animation studio will take up the project, hopefully they get it right, and i, Stephen Q. Urkel will support them in their endeavor.

 

[NeoShweaty]

Re: Vagabond anime/OVA, good or bad?

lol, i love Urkel (wasnt it Erkel?)

Well, i was thinking something along the lines of, for example, they could animate the current arc with seijuro and denshichiro separately and release those. I mean the OVAs wouldnt and couldnt encompass the entire series in one go. It would be released piece by piece.

How about this, if only one arc could be animated, which one would you guys choose? I was thinking maybe Kojiro's flashback

 

[ironthought]

Re: Vagabond anime/OVA, good or bad?

kojiro's arc was beautiful, (like Laura Winslow) i love how Takehiko san drew the waves of the ocean. that would be a nice OVA. the Arc i would like to see is the Yagyu arc cause thats the one where Mushashi matures as a swordsman. i love the part when he notices the flower is to long, so he cuts it. then he realizes that the cut he made is different than the one on the flower. its the subtle things that say so much. most of the time martial arts in manga is portrayed in a more exagerated way, and i am glad to see that Takehiko captures the subtle details of swordsmanship and of life. i also like that after this arc he kinda gives up on the invincle under the sun idea, he matures. then you start to see mushashis mood lighten. in this Kyoto arc was the first time we see Mushashi smile from fun. hes playing with Kojiro and there hitting the snow man, pretending to cut it up (kinda demented game). in the Yagyu arc he also bumps into Otsu, which would be good for the OVA cause they could imply that there is some love interest in this story.

 

[thorsama]

Re: Vagabond anime/OVA, good or bad?

I think that a Vagabond OAV series would be awesome. If anyone has seen the animated sequences for Kill Bill, I think that style of animation would fit Vagabond perfectly. It's very fluid and expressive and the line quality that they use for their animation suits Vagabond just fine (IMO). And I don't think a single arc would do the story justice either, for me it would have to encompass the entire story. And I'd be fine with it if they did them in "seasons" or arcs, but I'd want to see the whole thing. It would cost them a lot of money but Vagabond is so popular in Japan, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't. It's popularity even spawned a stage drama based on the original novel and Inoue Takehiko is like a god in Japan.