Pica did not match Zoro in swordsmanship. Pica matched Zoro as an overall fighter thanks to his DF, but it's clear that he wasn't as skilled as he is with the sword. It is not because he was preparing a slamdown that Zoro got him, but because Zoro got him off the ground and thus nullified his DF.
He did. There is a panel where Pica was looking calm and composed while Zoro is looking like he struggles dodging a sword swing from him. Pica was very dominant, and he doesn’t even specialise in swordsmanship. But Pica is using and draining a lot of stamina maintaining his golem form for that amount of time, moving around and keeping the rest of the warriors in check. Pica was doing double time fighting a sword geek when he himself isn’t a sword fighter primarily
Vergo was alive afterwards, not hurt at all. Proves it didn’t have anything to do with armament haki. Smoker was able to parry and deflect Law’s sword slicing attacks just because Smoker had stinger armament haki. This is why Tashigi was cut up instantly, but Smoker deflected the cutting attacks with his jitte, (that wasn’t even imbued in armament, it was just hardened, unlike against Vergo he fully imbued his jitte in armament haki to deal with Vergo). So give up your trash tier argument
Zoro was never close to being captured, going by your own words, by gifters, nor was he even losing, and if so, please provide a single panel of proof. Him panting in a panel doesn't equate losing, since he was getting over the big slash he got from Apoo. Two chapters later he was shown calmer than ever kicking gifters asses before the samurai reached him, so this is a very weak attempt to undermine him.
This is a war, so of course he wasn't going to solo the 500 gifters in a single chapter or two, yet he was holding his ground just fine 1vs500 without even resorting to santoryu.
Oh give it up, kid, killer, strawhats, an army of samurai, they’re all fighting the gifters. Zoro has been given a power up but can’t deal with it bc he has stamina problems. The gifters are laughing at his face. When Zoro cut down the gifters there were a dozen of samurai behind suggesting he got help. Enma is just a hype tool for gifters at this point.
Pica had absolute freedom to use any method of fighting he wished for and had any arsenal at his disposal. Weak and fake point. If he didn't fight the way he wanted, then that's entirely on himself.
He did. There is a panel where Pica was looking calm and composed while Zoro is looking like he struggles dodging a sword swing from him. Pica was very dominant, and he doesn’t even specialise in swordsmanship. But Pica is using and draining a lot of stamina maintaining his golem form for that amount of time, moving around and keeping the rest of the warriors in check. Pica was doing double time fighting a sword geek when he himself isn’t a sword fighter primarily
Vergo was alive afterwards, not hurt at all. Proves it didn’t have anything to do with armament haki. Smoker was able to parry and deflect Law’s sword slicing attacks just because Smoker had stinger armament haki. This is why Tashigi was cut up instantly, but Smoker deflected the cutting attacks with his jitte, (that wasn’t even imbued in armament, it was just hardened, unlike against Vergo he fully imbued his jitte in armament haki to deal with Vergo). So give up your trash tier argument
Vergo thought his haki was something special and that Law would be unable to cut him even with his Ope Ope DF, which proves even to cut with ope ope, it's still about armament, yet Vergo overstimated his skills just as much as you do, and he lost. He was not "not hurt at all" afterwards: he was kept alive thanks to Law's skill, but completely subdued and humiliated in pieces, just left to die in the explosion.
You can argue anything you want, but Law beat him instantly after getting his heart back, and could have killed him in any way he wished to.
Oh give it up, kid, killer, strawhats, an army of samurai, they’re all fighting the gifters. Zoro has been given a power up but can’t deal with it bc he has stamina problems. The gifters are laughing at his face. When Zoro cut down the gifters there were a dozen of samurai behind suggesting he got help. Enma is just a hype tool for gifters at this point.
Zoro was cutting down gifters back when they were laughing, they were just overconfident in their numbers. When the samurai arrived, Zoro was still killing them and he had no new injuries. Kidd, on the other hand, had started slightly bleeding from his mouth, being in the same condition as Zoro: fighting gifters on his own. So are you telling me Kidd is weaker than gifters and than Zoro, since he got hurt while Zoro avoided damage? Weak points and weak assumptions.
The opponents are now high-tier YC. Some subordinate of Doflamingo from four arcs ago is nothing to keep paying attention to by now, no matter how strong Vergo was at the time (and even then, Vergo was just a hype tool for Law).
Vergo held the heart seat, was commended as DDs most trusted man, had the most important job out of all seats, Trebol the second most important (guarding Sugar), either Diamante or Pica could take part in the Colosseum I suppose but Doffy chose to have Diamante partake in the contest. As it stands, all seats have had important mission given to them, all except for Pica.
(1) Pica is not a swordsman but a brawler, with Diamante being highlighted as the swordsman, him having trained Law. This would explain. why Pica opted to drop his sword when FBH was activated. Zoro did not in fact face the swordsman of the crew. Pica could nevertheless match Zoro in swordsmanship, Zoro never getting any hits on Pica, only when moment presented itself (1080 pound slash) and when Pica was preparing a slamdown which allowed Zoro to cut down his FBH form.
Vergo’s armament haki was the hot topic in PH. Caesar witnessed Luffy going G3 and was even aware of Zoro having cut down the dragon, a feat you like to point to. Caesar was not impressed by either and thought Vergo was capable of taking out Luffy, his entire crew, Smoker and Law by himself, saying his Vergo was the “monster” of Punk Hazard haki “is unstoppable”. Again and again Vergo was portrayed as indestructible.
The dude broke Sanji’s leg with his ankle lol. I rest my case.
no one thing more, Zoro is looking terrible this war, all roughed up and needing the help of samurai to not get captured by gifters. This is with his precious Enma that you rub yourself off to believing it will climb Zoro to godhood. He was losing to gifters with Enma
Nerf Sanji though was fighting him and leg issues wasn't factor and he still damage Vergo right back despite not 100% going in. It been stated prior by Usopp when he stated something was off about his body. Sanji would beat Vergo if the fight went longer as he readjust himself or was 100% going into the fight. Though we can respectful debate about this another time.
I agree what you mean about Zoro especially Pica one as it's clear as day Vergo was nothing like Pica on how they fight and operate. Having the same rank doesn't mean they were equals especially in power. Vergo is shown to be the most powerful especially in close combat fighting given the hax nature of the others or tricky DF uses. I agree your statements on Vergo being stronger than the others and Zoro would not have easy time and have 50/50 chance with Enma depending how the fight goes.
Vergo thought his haki was something special and that Law would be unable to cut him even with his Ope Ope DF, which proves even to cut with ope ope, it's still about armament, yet Vergo overstimated his skills just as much as you do, and he lost. He was not "not hurt at all" afterwards: he was kept alive thanks to Law's skill, but completely subdued and humiliated in pieces, just left to die in the explosion.
Pica had absolute freedom to use any method of fighting he wished for and had any arsenal at his disposal. Weak and fake point. If he didn't fight the way he wanted, then that's entirely on himself
That he opted to fight in a way where he isnt at 100% means he was nerfing himself. Diamante was the fully fleshed our swordsman, and in terms of swordsmanship Kyros is actually better. faster and stronger to deal with Diamante. With Zoro Oda chose to have him fight Pica in order to display his air projectile techniques and later armament haki, though Pica’s haki was never hyped up, and even in the VC Vergo’s armament haki was hyped even further, Pica’s wasn’t.
Pica wasn’t fully occupied or bothered with zoro and paid him little actual mind until the very end of the fight where his true colours were shown. He is a brawler that could hold off Zoro in a sword fight
I don't see how vergo can be much of a threat to zoro nowadays. Vergo simply lacks feats that have any relevance to current events. In general the strawhats should be stronger than they were at punk hazard. Add to that, zoro has simply breezed through the new world, defeating enemies and being mostly unchallenged. That's not quite the same scenario as with sanji. Zoro at worst mid diffed pica, doflamingo's mightiest subordinate and the only reason he even took an injury from killer is because the fox got in the way. Even before enma vergo is as much or less of a threat than pica.
I don't see how vergo can be much of a threat to zoro nowadays. Vergo simply lacks feats that have any relevance to current events. In general the strawhats should be stronger than they were at punk hazard. Add to that, zoro has simply breezed through the new world, defeating enemies and being mostly unchallenged. That's not quite the same scenario as with sanji. Zoro at worst mid diffed pica, doflamingo's mightiest subordinate and the only reason he even took an injury from killer is because the fox got in the way. Even before enma vergo is as much or less of a threat than pica.
I don't see how vergo can be much of a threat to zoro nowadays. Vergo simply lacks feats that have any relevance to current events. In general the strawhats should be stronger than they were at punk hazard. Add to that, zoro has simply breezed through the new world, defeating enemies and being mostly unchallenged. That's not quite the same scenario as with sanji. Zoro at worst mid diffed pica, doflamingo's mightiest subordinate and the only reason he even took an injury from killer is because the fox got in the way. Even before enma vergo is as much or less of a threat than pica.
doflamingo’s mightiest subordinate, lol that’s rich being that Zoro called him weak. He would never call Sanji weak lol the same dude that outperformed Zoro in TB
Sanji outperformed zoro in TB? Zoro knocked out sanji by using only his sword hilt on sanji waist, and zoro managed to tank the whole pain attack from kuma.
Not to mention that sanji couldn't damage kuma and was screaming in pain of his legs when sanji noticed how hard kuma skin was, while zoro landed clean hit with shishi sonson
Sanji outperformed zoro in TB? Zoro knocked out sanji by using only his sword hilt on sanji waist, and zoro managed to tank the whole pain attack from kuma.
Not to mention that sanji couldn't damage kuma and was screaming in pain of his legs when sanji noticed how hard kuma skin was, while zoro landed clean hit with shishi sonson
This is what Sanji did after having sustained grievous wounds
Here is a table for studlink anchor chains
let’s say the diameter for the on chain is 2 Sanji’s so approximately 3,6m, ie 360mm. We can take 122mm for reference here and see that for every 25,7m it weighs 9488kg. By viewing the chart we see a roghly ninefold increase in weight per meter for a tripling in size. This would be correct as per the cube square law (see Wikipedia article for more info)
It means 9488 *9 approximately 85,5 tonnes of weight for every 25,7m. How tall up is that pulley? Take that times the numbers provided. Sanji threw that chain some 100-200 meters something
Neither Zoro or Luffy can match such a lifting feat. Zoro in Alabasta is seen here working out with 1 ton plates (though repping them with his thumbs) while Sanjinis throwing around hundreds of tons worth of metal after being fucked from injuries.
Vergo neg diffed Sanji’s same physical strength in PH
This is what Sanji did after having sustained grievous wounds
Here is a table for studlink anchor chains
let’s say the diameter for the on chain is 2 Sanji’s so approximately 3,6m, ie 360mm. We can take 122mm for reference here and see that for every 25,7m it weighs 9488kg. By viewing the chart we see a roghly ninefold increase in weight per meter for a tripling in size. This would be correct as per the cube square law (see Wikipedia article for more info)
It means 9488 *9 approximately 85,5 tonnes of weight for every 25,7m. How tall up is that pulley? Take that times the numbers provided. Sanji threw that chain some 100-200 meters something
Neither Zoro or Luffy can match such a lifting feat. Zoro in Alabasta is seen here working out with 1 ton plates (though repping them with his thumbs) while Sanjinis throwing around hundreds of tons worth of metal after being fucked from injuries.
Vergo neg diffed Sanji’s same physical strength in PH
Oh, yes, how could we forget about the meticulous metrical measurements Oda puts behind every feat of strength.
He'd never make Sanji or Zoro perform a superhuman feat of strength without first scientifically analysing everything and he always draw every panel's proportions with millimetric accuracy.
That excel chart undoubtedly proves that Sanji is superior to Zoro and Luffy. I hope King or Big Mom stop him from reaching Kaido now or he'll behead him with a single kick and we can't have that.
Now, on a serious note, I can't believe someone would pull such an argument from Sanji throwing some chain Pre-TS to argue that Vergo clashing with him somehow hypes Vergo to be superior to both current Sanji and current Zoro.
Sanji outperformed zoro in TB? Zoro knocked out sanji by using only his sword hilt on sanji waist, and zoro managed to tank the whole pain attack from kuma.
Not to mention that sanji couldn't damage kuma and was screaming in pain of his legs when sanji noticed how hard kuma skin was, while zoro landed clean hit with shishi sonson
Now, on a serious note, I can't believe someone would pull such an argument from Sanji throwing some chain Pre-TS to argue that Vergo clashing with him somehow hypes Vergo to be superior to both current Sanji and current Zoro.
That’s exactly what anyone should do. Sanji used his armament + main weapon against casual Vergo who is just flexing, breaking though the haki and pushing power of Sanji’s shin, Vergo using minimum momentum and using the weakest part of his leg which is to say the most prone to injury; Sanji using the hardest part of his leg with the most muscle
Zoro even got blocked by one-armed Tashigi in Punk Hazard, who then got casually blocked by Vergo lol. Zoro is around Tashigi level when it comes to physical strength, but even then I can’t see him doing what she did when she stopped a cannonball midair with her swordtip. Zoro got mogged by Tashigi
That’s exactly what anyone should do. Sanji used his armament + main weapon against casual Vergo who is just flexing, breaking though the haki and pushing power of Sanji’s shin, Vergo using minimum momentum and using the weakest part of his leg which is to say the most prone to injury; Sanji using the hardest part of his leg with the most muscle
Zoro even got blocked by one-armed Tashigi in Punk Hazard, who then got casually blocked by Vergo lol. Zoro is around Tashigi level when it comes to physical strength
Zoro psyching himself up by going for a power move, Tashigi coming to stop him. Tashigi rests the one hand of pommel of her sword, which is to say Oda drew it out that Tashigi only needed one arm to block Zoro’s assault against the marine soldiers. Then Zoro comments that her mind is not in it, that she is restraining herself with “no will to fight”
Tashgi did way more damage to Monet’s snow monster than Zoro did with a directed air slash
Zoro never even confronted the snow monster. Considering Zoro loses to nails, he’d have his shoulder ripped off, while Tashigi proved way tougher by comparison
For the fodders they were instantly taken out by Monet while Tashigi proved to be of a different ilk altogether. Or do the nails in Wano rip off flesh like Monet’s snow bite? Not even the ink arrows can do that, and they actually tilted ships and crates
Wake me up when Zoro can do this
until then, Zoro wins purely because of overall much better haki and skill, while Tashigi moggs him in the physical aspects
Zoro psyching himself up by going for a power move, Tashigi coming to stop him. Tashigi rests the one hand of pommel of her sword, which is to say Oda drew it out that Tashigi only needed one arm to block Zoro’s assault against the marine soldiers. Then Zoro comments that her mind is not in it, that she is restraining herself with “no will to fight”
In the page you've posted, Zoro attacks with one hand and Tashigi stops it with two. Tashigi's hand isn't "resting on the pommel", it's very clearly serving as leverage. When a force (the clash) pushes the blade back, the hilt would naturally be pushed forward. By holding the base of the hilt like she's doing, she's applying pressure against that.
If you knew the tiniest bit about Tashigi's and Zoro's character, Zoro would never intend to hurt Tashigi, he already demonstrated so at Rogue Town when he disarmed her and still refused to cut her, so of course you'll never find a panel of Zoro forcefully overpowering Tashigi; she wasn't serious against him just as much as he wasn't against her.
If you really think Zoro aimed at maiming Monet in that page, you didn't understand a single thing about Zoro vs Monet. That's merely what Zoro wanted Monet to believe.
Zoro could have just cut her in half from a distance and end it instantly, yet he's got a bit of Sanji in him and didn't want to kill her (pretty sexist from him, yes). He made that cut on her face while pressuring her with killing intent to make her known that he could cut her and that he was supposedly willing to. Then he brought that killing intent pressure up by tenfold when he rushed at her and cut her without haki. He did so to cause her to lose consciousness by the pressure alone without having to hurt her, as was explained on-panel by Tashigi herself, who was in awe.
Zoro never even confronted the snow monster. Considering Zoro loses to nails, he’d have his shoulder ripped off, while Tashigi proved way tougher by comparison
For the fodders they were instantly taken out by Monet while Tashigi proved to be of a different ilk altogether. Or do the nails in Wano rip off flesh like Monet’s snow bite? Not even the ink arrows can do that, and they actually tilted ships and crates
It's laughable that you would bring up Sanji pushing some chain pre-timeskip to hype his strength over Zoro's and Luffy's, yet instead of bringing the immensely abundant Zoro's durablity feats you go and mention that he was once pierced by some nails on his shoulder. Zoro didn't even lose that one fight.
Also, you're telling me "I think Zoro would received worse wounds than Tashigi so Tashigi is tougher", but the fact is Zoro didn't receive worse wounds, not lesser wounds, he was not wounded at all by Monet, so you cannot talk about "by comparison".
You expose your intentions of not wanting to have a serious discussion by doing that.
That is a skill feat, not a physical strength feat for the One Piece world (which is what you were claiming, that she was "equal to Zoro in her physical strength"), yet at the same time that you post that panel you admit that Zoro is more skilled than her.
Zoro has much better strength feats than Tashigi will ever have, together with better skill and haki feats, no matter how much you wish to downplay him.
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And, for the record, don't even try to argue that Zoro was going "all-out" with his one-handed slash against fodders:
1- Zoro is able of CoO, he would know if Tashigi is to get in the middle of his attack, and he did smile at it.
But if you want to argue that he wouldn't react in time to Tashigi stopping him:
2- As if Zoro needed to throw a serious slash to kill fodder marines.
Tashigi stopped a slash aimed at fodder, nothing more, nothing less.
This is what Sanji did after having sustained grievous wounds
Here is a table for studlink anchor chains
let’s say the diameter for the on chain is 2 Sanji’s so approximately 3,6m, ie 360mm. We can take 122mm for reference here and see that for every 25,7m it weighs 9488kg. By viewing the chart we see a roghly ninefold increase in weight per meter for a tripling in size. This would be correct as per the cube square law (see Wikipedia article for more info)
It means 9488 *9 approximately 85,5 tonnes of weight for every 25,7m. How tall up is that pulley? Take that times the numbers provided. Sanji threw that chain some 100-200 meters something
Neither Zoro or Luffy can match such a lifting feat. Zoro in Alabasta is seen here working out with 1 ton plates (though repping them with his thumbs) while Sanjinis throwing around hundreds of tons worth of metal after being fucked from injuries.
Vergo neg diffed Sanji’s same physical strength in PH
To compare workout here is bad. As u said, it is just rep. People trained with lower rep because they want to do it in many sets. Very different from one thingy like one piece. Not to mention one piece is not that consistent with physics either.
Yeah Vergo would stomped Zoro easily without Enma and with Enma, he has 50/50, but Vergo wouldn't go down easily if he gets it with him. Vergo is more versatile with Haki over Zoro both offensive and defensive manner and Zoro's stamina and durability issues are still low level and few good hits (or even one like one he gave to Smoker and was about to do to Law) would knock him out again.
In the page you've posted, Zoro attacks with one hand and Tashigi stops it with two. Tashigi's hand isn't "resting on the pommel", it's very clearly serving as leverage. When a force (the clash) pushes the blade back, the hilt would naturally be pushed forward. By holding the base of the hilt like she's doing, she's applying pressure against that.
If she weren’t able to apply counter leverage then she could just place her right hand closer to the top of the hilt like Zoro does, in which case her power to resist the pressure he exerts would increase (closer to the point of rotation). Instead she holds it farther away with somewhere on the middle of the hilt. So she was already in control. The left hand could have just as well been in her pocket. The message is she didn’t even use it to apply leverage. She could’ve been finger tucking herself while blocking Zoro
No it clearly is a strength feat being that the cannon ball has momentum, and Tashigi has to stop it down to nilch. Midair with the arm extended stopping it instantaneously means she uses basically just her wrist strength
what kind of insane feat is this when the bamboo stick is hardened?
If counter shock is a light version of what Gamma Knife does to you, his respiratory muscles have been directly and severely impaired, yet he still has enough lung capacity and overall power to expand a hardened pipe like this, is this not one of the greatest physical achievements, outside of just pure special abilities? It takes a lot of lung and chest capacity and abdominal strength to do a thing like this, and his heart and respiratory muscles were the most impacted by the counter shock.
This also explains why Vergo is never shown to be tired or breathless, because he is just an insane stamina freak. This is actual strongman stuff, blowing up hot water bottles and stuff, Vergo is an actual monster. Just judge by Smoker’s reaction
Again, Zoro’s stamina is poor but Sanji‘s stamina is even worse. Sanji is a very good lifter, explosive and strong but lacks any muscular endurance.
Currently, Vergo could put up some defence, but will ultimately succumb to one Enma technique. No more difficulty than Pica could offer. Zoro has improved this arc, too, so it'd be less than the effort it took to defeat Pica. Particularly with Vergo not being able to hide.
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