Match Weekly Match-up thread (Fuji vs Seda)

[Hardy]

ROUND IS OVER

Spoiler: Winner

Mares de Colón

34th Round:

We are back and with one Math's suggestions. Can Fuji stand a chance against Spain's troublemaker?

Picture	Fuji Hardy Jan 15, 2024	Seda Hardy May 13, 2024
Name	Fuji Shuusuke	Seda
Title	Genius	Troublemaker
Rank	No. 9 (MSer Year 3)	Spain Representative (MSer Year 1)
Height	167cm	-
Weight	53 kg	-
Dominant Hand	Right	Right (Ambidextrous?)
Playstyle	Counter puncher	-
Stat Total	18	?
Speed	3	?
Power	3	?
Stamina	3	?
Mental	4	?
Technique	5	?
Techniques / Styles	Phoenix Return (1st+) Kirin Drop (2nd+) White Dragon (3rd+) Dragonfly Illusion (4th) Gate Keeper of Hecatoncheires (5th) Star Fireworks (6th) Closed Eyes Hollyhock Blizzard Light Wind Kitsune Fireball	Reverse Copy Olympian Iris' Light

Fuji's 10.5 profile.

Fuji's 23.5 profile.

Fuji's Tenipuri Party profile.

Zeus' 23.5 profile

"I'm not listing Seda's hypnosis since he seemingly stopped using it and it can be countered with freaking ear plugs.

...tho, for all intents and purposes, he can play aggressively as he did against Japan."

Will add a poll on Wednesday.

 

[Hardy]

In my opinion, Romeo can only win using hax.

I bet Ralph have better base stats since he is slightly stronger than Amadeus who is a Pro.
(And the Ace of #2 Switzerland)

Atobe can deal with Romeo base vs base too before materializar. And I am not willing to put Base Atobe on par as Base Ralph/Amadeus.

Now, for hax

This is a complicated part.

Will Ralph ability enable him to analyze strengths quicker?

Will Infinite Reset be a factor?

The 120% hormones though will likely put Romeo in some winning chances. But only works when his back is against the wall.

We can sort of say that TnK! Kin =~ Dorgias =~ Atobe =~ Romeo. It's certainly a lower level compared to Ralph, but no one is expecting Base Romeo to be able to deal with him.

I don't think Ralph is stronger than Amadeus. He had the match up advantage thanks to his special ability and yet the match was a 3 setter where he only broke Amadeus' serve once.

Now we know that all of Spain's players actually improve when cornered, it's certainly not an one and done thing, so I'm inclined to think Romeo now has 120% at his disposal from the get go (or, at least, once the stakes raise a bit like against Atobe).

His Reset should be a factor, yes, so Ralph should be the one that takes the initiative since he shouldn't want a battle of attrition.

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Poll is up!

 

[mathematicianrcg]

We can sort of say that TnK! Kin =~ Dorgias =~ Atobe =~ Romeo. It's certainly a lower level compared to Ralph, but no one is expecting Base Romeo to be able to deal with him.

I don't think Ralph is stronger than Amadeus. He had the match up advantage thanks to his special ability and yet the match was a 3 setter where he only broke Amadeus' serve once.

Now we know that all of Spain's players actually improve when cornered, it's certainly not an one and done thing, so I'm inclined to think Romeo now has 120% at his disposal from the get go (or, at least, once the stakes raise a bit like against Atobe).

His Reset should be a factor, yes, so Ralph should be the one that takes the initiative since he shouldn't want a battle of attrition.

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Poll is up!

Spain is extremely strong. Their Msers are in the level of Ralph/Amadeus (Romeo) and Zeus (Seda albeit slightly weaker). And dont get us started with Ryoga. lol

but anyways, I am still betting on ralph in this one

 

[-Ken-]

When it come to #1 of the country versus #2 downward of another country, I tends to cheer for the #1. I'll go with Raph. I think Raph is a tier higher. Romeo might have Ryoma hax, but he didn't have the MC hax as well.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

When it come to #1 of the country versus #2 downward of another country, I tends to cheer for the #1. I'll go with Raph. I think Raph is a tier higher. Romeo might have Ryoma hax, but he didn't have the MC hax as well.

Yeah. Same thoughts.

Interestingly, if the matchup will be Mares VS Ralph.

I will think it hard especially after Mares power up next two months.

But I really believed Mares proved me wrong. And he/she is actually stronger than Romeo.

Going back,

This is close. But I will go with Ralph.

 

[Hardy]

I forgot to vote but I'd had gone for Ralph too. I re-read Atobe vs Romeo and I felt like Atobe still had a clear upper hand over Romeo in the final game even when the latter evolved to 120%, he just couldn't manage to play any rally that wasn't short. He had the serve advantage, sure, but I think that's not just it. He was only losing points because of his injuries.

So, if I scale HS3 Atobe to a level a bit better than Ralph (at most), then Romeo would still be outmatched here. That said, if Romeo can get the match against Ralph to the 3rd set (maybe breaking Ralph's service games through Materilizar) he can probably win it thanks to his resets.

Feel free to suggest stuff for the next weeks.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I forgot to vote but I'd had gone for Ralph too. I re-read Atobe vs Romeo and I felt like Atobe still had a clear upper hand over Romeo even when he evolved to 120%, he just couldn't manage to play any rally that wasn't short. He had the serve advantage, sure, but I think that's not just it. He was only losing points because of his injuries.

So, if I scale HS3 Atobe to a level a bit better than Ralph (at most), then Romeo would still be outmatched here. That said, if Romeo can get the match against Ralph to the 3rd set he can probably win it thanks to his resets.

Feel free to suggest stuff for other weeks.

I would have suggested doubles like

Mares/Seda VS Bismarck/Siegfried (or doubles pro)
(But maybe save this after the Finals D2 match)

So, i will stick to singles out of Japan.

But, the problem is other notable players. We didnt see play on screen.

For Greece, We didnt saw Hades, Vulcan, Hermes. Those are their best players beside Zeus.

For Australia, we didnt saw crawford who can use Shiki drop shots (like Tezuka?!) According to databooks

For USA, literally, We are only using Ralph in this matchup thread.

Can we put Kiko, Dodo, or Alan for limited showings?

Switzerland, They do not used their second best player in Kuraraga. And their next best players Peter and Albert had almost off screened matches in 2 rounds.

France, Literally we can only have Ludovic and Osval. Since we did not see camus. And other reps are too weak and irrelevant.

So, Obviously,

For some reason

Japan, Germany, and Spain players will have the most eye test we saw.

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I forgot to vote but I'd had gone for Ralph too. I re-read Atobe vs Romeo and I felt like Atobe still had a clear upper hand over Romeo in the final game even when the latter evolved to 120%, he just couldn't manage to play any rally that wasn't short. He had the serve advantage, sure, but I think that's not just it. He was only losing points because of his injuries.

So, if I scale HS3 Atobe to a level a bit better than Ralph (at most), then Romeo would still be outmatched here. That said, if Romeo can get the match against Ralph to the 3rd set (maybe breaking Ralph's service games through Materilizar) he can probably win it thanks to his resets.

Feel free to suggest stuff for the next weeks.

Anyways, since I am the one who always make suggestions lol. These are the ones in my mind:

Sanada VS Ludovic

Shiraishi VS Siegfried

Fuji (Latest Version) VS Bismarck

Oni VS Zeus

Amadeus VS Tanegashima

 

[Ganonslayer101]

I would like to discuss some G10 challenge rematches

Tohno/ Kijima vs Marui/ Kite
Tanegashima/ Ohmagari vs Sanada/ Akutsu
Oni vs Kin

Would have to hold off on Tokugawa or Ochi till they play

Fuji vs Irie maybe?

 

[LetalHawk]

Ryoma vs Tanegashima
Kin vs Duke
Fuji vs Ochi
Atobe vs Oni

 

[-Ken-]

Albert/Randy vs Mares/Seda or Ohmagari/Kintarou might actually be something I don't know at all what to vote for lol.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Albert/Randy vs Mares/Seda or Ohmagari/Kintarou might actually be something I don't know at all what to vote for lol.

I also wanted some doubles action like

Peter/Henri VS Tanegashima/Akaya for example.

But I think Switzerland Doubles Pair lack of action are kinda making them underrated in this forum

And it didnt help that Ohmagari is by far the worst player on the current D2 match.

So, Peter beating Ohmagari is not seen as a feat. Since Ohmagari is kinda performing lower than expected as a doubles specialist.

 

[-Ken-]

That is true, but the series acknowledge Ohmagari "experience" as what allow him to outperform Yukimura and Renji which do have double chemistry. So actually all in all he's not that weak.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

That is true, but the series acknowledge Ohmagari "experience" as what allow him to outperform Yukimura and Renji which do have double chemistry. So actually all in all he's not that weak.

Nope, it implies he is weak if he is match up against same experienced player.

Peter has the same experience as Ohmagari since the former is Doubles Specialist too. And we know how it went.

Unless, you will argue Henri is Miles better than Kite that contributed to the dominating score results.

In other words, when doubles experience is equal. Ohmagari doesnt have any abilities to battle opponents with same experience

 

[-Ken-]

I mean considering Switzerland as a country, it wouldn't really be surprising if Henry is miles better than Kite.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

The problem with using either swiss pair is that they won off screen. We don't know any abilities besides that Albert and Randy can use Play Ball!

Their feats are good beating Duke and Phmagari, but those 2 were paired with some of the weaker middle schoolers in the lineup. Gin was outclassed in power and i stand by my assertion that he's the reason they lost. And Kite didn't actually have a functioning Nitoryu so it was still the same Kite who's Shuukichou tbey already defeated.

I have no doubts that either pair is strong, but they have few feats and even fewer playstyle moments to discuss.

It's the same reason i don't care for when Kuraga shows up in these discussions. He has a listed feat and that's it. There's nothing to discuss

 

[Hardy]

ROUND IS OVER

Spoiler: Winner

Rhinehart Ralph

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26th round:

Can Mr. Second Place break The Bible?

Picture	Shiraishi Hardy Oct 2, 2023	Siegfried Hardy Mar 25, 2024
Name	Shiraishi Kuranosuke	Siegfried Elmer
Title	The Bible	-
Rank	No. 3 (MSer Year 3)	Germany's Representative (MSer Year 3)
Height	178cm	170 cm
Weight	64 kg	59 kg
Dominant Hand	Left	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder	Serve and Volleyer
Stat Total	20	-
Speed	4	-
Power	4	-
Stamina	4	-
Mental	4	-
Technique	4	-
Techniques / Styles	Bible Tennis Entaku Shot Star Bible Tennis	Teni Muhou no Kiwami

Shiraishi's 10.5 profile is here.

Shiraishi's 23.5 profile.

Siegfried's 23.5 profile.

Poll will be up Wednesday.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Hot Take: I will go with Siegfried.

Remember Siegfried defeated Akaya in their 1 V 1. And we all agreed Akaya > Shiraishi.

Ok, ok. Akaya have one Powerup in Last set. But still.

Also, I don't think shiraishi is TNK Level Player. He was outmatched by Tristan and Timothe when they played ambidextrous. And they do not have TNK.

So, all it takes to beat Star Bible is to be ambidextrous, and have good general stats.

Directly,

I am not sure Shiraishi can battle TNK Siegfried.

And Siegfried have Bismarcks perception ability too. Of observing opponents weakness. Just a little weaker version.

 

[Hardy]

Hot Take: I will go with Siegfried.

Remember Siegfried defeated Akaya in their 1 V 1. And we all agreed Akaya > Shiraishi.

Ok, ok. Akaya have one Powerup in Last set. But still.

Also, I don't think shiraishi is TNK Level Player. He was outmatched by Tristan and Timothe when they played ambidextrous. And they do not have TNK.

So, all it takes to beat Star Bible is to be ambidextrous, and have good general stats.

Directly,

I am not sure Shiraishi can battle TNK Siegfried.

And Siegfried have Bismarcks perception ability too. Of observing opponents weakness. Just a little weaker version.

That one power-up was a huge deal tho.

Those 2 French reps have 30 total in stats tho. That's 2 more than Tanegashima who (I imagine) everyone thinks can rally with a MSer in TnK.

Yeah Sieg can exploit habits but I'm not sure Shiraishi has any, since in theory Bible Tennis shouldn't have? Maybe when he copies the other Shiten members he copies their bad habits too?

The fact that Sieg walked over Frankensteiner should be a huge feat except for the fact that we know very little about the latter to make a comparison here. Shiraishi's 7 in TEC should be child's play for Siegfried to manage, at least, since Frankensteiner had shown a control second to pretty much no one in PoT.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

That one power-up was a huge deal tho.

Those 2 French reps have 30 total in stats tho. That's 2 more than Tanegashima who (I imagine) everyone thinks can rally with a MSer in TnK.

Yeah Sieg can exploit habits but I'm not sure Shiraishi has any, since in theory Bible Tennis shouldn't have? Maybe when he copies the other Shiten members he copies their bad habits too?

The fact that Sieg walked over Frankensteiner should be a huge feat except for the fact that we know very little about the latter to make a comparison here. Shiraishi's 7 in TEC should be child's play for Siegfried to manage, at least, since Frankensteiner had shown a control second to pretty much no one in PoT.

Thinking about it. It must be close.

But since Siegfried is training under Germany Facilities. He might have the upper hand.

Interestingly, Shiraishi is one of the few Japan Players who I think will be better under Germany Training Regimen, than Japan Training Regimen. (Oh, this might be a good thread in the future)

 

[-Ken-]

Logically, Siegfried have advantage to probably being around Akaya and managing to beating him 1v1.

However, I'll like to note that the version of Akaya that people all agree is stronger than Shiraishi isn't the one that barely lose to Siegfried. It's the Blue Eyes Akaya after his last set upgrade. So I would say Shiraishi actually stand MUCH more of a chance against Siegfried than Pre-upgrade Akaya.

But I like Shiraishi so I'll be biased for once. I'll go with Shiraishi. 30 stats French reps are no joke and Shiraishi is actually capable of keeping up with them after his Star Bible upgrade. Yes, he lose, but is it really a shame to lose to 30 stats players who might actually be specialized in doubles?

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Shiraishi actually has a decent shot at this I think. If we assume the "consumed by the light" effect of TnK is universal and not just a thing in Tezuka vs Yukimura. Then part of its Strength is that overwhelming force that makes the opponent doubt themselves. But Shiraishi can force his mental to 7 which likely stop that effect. Plus his Bible prevents Siegfried from taking advantage of weaknesses. It's close since Siegfried would likely be in higher stats in anything Shiraishi doesn't focus on. But i think Shiraishi has a better chance to win.

One thing of note is that Siegfried is the only player shown to be knocked out of TnK who then struggled to get back into it. Implying a weaker mental stat. Thus if Shiraishi can grab momentum, Siegfried can theoretically get shut down severely.