Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Kaiten]

I never thought that it will continue to sell millions which is why I bolded the "if" part. Yes Bleach does sell millions of copies, not per volume but at the of the year, the 3/4 volumes released add over 4 million copies sold to Shueisha's total manga sold. Still in the top 10 even though a bit at the bottom half.

I disagree that the last arc can't be as long as the Arrancar arc. Sure they might cut Kubo off but better that then to get a halfassed ending imo. It also depends on what a person's reasonable amount of time amounts to. I say 5/6 years personally including this year. 220+ chapters is plenty to finish up.

Like I said before, if a manga is popular then Shueisha probably does not want it to end. Now we can argue about popularity and decline all we want until next year but numbers don't lie. Bleach sells good. Not as much as before of course but still in the millions. Better than most mangas and higher on the end of the year list if opposing magazine mangas are taken out such as Fairy Tail.

Kishi will be allowed more "time" is more akin to take your sweet time and try ending super late so that our 2013 manga sales are high as possible, maybe even buff the beginning of 2014 sales.

There is no more if, smart guy. Sales have decreased significantly since Aizen was defeated, and TOC rankings have bottomed out. What else do you want? Bleach is in the bottom 5 every week, unless it has the cover or color. The last volume with Aizen sold just under 900,000 copies, volume 55 fell sold 637,362 before falling out of the top 50. Now, I never said Bleach would be canceled any time soon. What I said was Bleach would not be allowed to continue as long as Kubo wants. If he does not end Bleach in a timely manner, Kubo will risk cancellation.

Clearly there is no discussing this with you, it is obvious you have no objective basis for your argument. You haven't even bothered to check facts available in this very subforum. Believe what you will.

If series that sell well are not canceled, please explain Mago. Then explain To Love Ru.

Business is not a competition. "Selling more than Fairy Tail" is not a long term business plan.

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My solution: more panels, more plot per chapter instead of the stretching, less cliffhangers, less half/fullpages for explosions => success! The way he is setting up the characters to lose isn't gonna make it any easier for the voters.

lol

And if Kubo had written One Piece he'd have written the most popular manga ever.

 

[BobLeNolife]

The Bleach TOC of this Week is the Stern Ritter attack chapiter. So the rank should increased.

 

[wintercry]

From another perspective, It wouldn't be all that different.

 

[crimsonlink310]

There is no more if, smart guy. Sales have decreased significantly since Aizen was defeated, and TOC rankings have bottomed out. What else do you want? Bleach is in the bottom 5 every week, unless it has the cover or color. The last volume with Aizen sold just under 900,000 copies, volume 55 fell sold 637,362 before falling out of the top 50. Now, I never said Bleach would be canceled any time soon. What I said was Bleach would not be allowed to continue as long as Kubo wants. If he does not end Bleach in a timely manner, Kubo will risk cancellation.

Clearly there is no discussing this with you, it is obvious you have no objective basis for your argument. You haven't even bothered to check facts available in this very subforum. Believe what you will.

If series that sell well are not canceled, please explain Mago. Then explain To Love Ru.

Business is not a competition. "Selling more than Fairy Tail" is not a long term business plan.

Bleach hit rank 1 a few weeks after the end of the Fullbring arc with no color or cover. It hit 7 and then dropped down again. It will likely pick up, its not like mangas have not spent weeks on the bottom and never recovered.

I can agree with Bleach being canceled if Kubo takes too long and its ranks do not improve and sales dip below the millions mark. I don't think any author would be allowed to continue if their manga tanks hard for months so I agree with you on that.

The reason I even replied to your original post is because of the casual way you just said Bleach should act as buffer so new manga don't suffer the fate of Kurogane and Pajama. You basically said Bleach should be at the bottom just so new mangas have an easier time to survive cancellation just because Kubo announced the last arc.

Here is hoping Bleach and Reborn are those question marks. Neither will be canceled soon, both could act as cushion for a middling new series. Better Bleach and Reborn than Momiji or Bulge. No harm in letting Bleach cushion promising new series after Kubo has already announced this is the last arc.

The harm in that way of thinking is of course Bleach's earlier cancellation or short changing readers on the ending if Kubo ends up being rushed to end Bleach. Why should Kubo's Bleach be at the bottom for his last arc while Naruto enjoys rank 1s as it nears its end?

I checked enough facts to form my post. My posts are mostly subjective unless I'm trying to prove a point or actually debating something. In that regard I would make an objective post. I am not debating with you about anything, just sharing my opinion about Bleach's future.

Mago was supposed to end anyways right? (I don't read it so I cannot tell if it was heading to its end) To Love Ru has a ongoing sequel in Square Jump. It launched a year and 2 months later but it still got a sequel. I don't know enough about To Love Ru's sales and popularity to answer you honestly. Same with Mago.

lol Business is not a competition?

Selling more than FT? I just said Bleach would be higher on the list if FT wasn't in it. Number 7 to be precise going by last years total manga sales of all Shueisha mangas. Even higher considering Bakuman won't be on the list anymore after this year.

 

[xi0]

Comparing Bleach's sales to Weekly Shounen Magazines only remaining HIT isn't a long-term business plan. Jump's circulation numbers dwarf any other Shounen magazine. Saying it's a benchmark isn't much either when WSJ already has 4 series in the top-10 for the year, and 3 in the TOP 3 (HxH, OP, Naruto) that outsell it anyway. Bleach isn't even in the Top 10 for the year thus far. Toriko fell out of the top 10 as well, but was replaced by Kuroko

The 10 most purchased manga series for the period (2011/12/5 – 2012/5/28):

1. One Piece [13,833,116]

2. Naruto [3,081,822]

3. Hunter X Hunter [2,721,003]

4. Space Brothers [2,684,223]

5. Kimi ni Todoke [2,316,005]

6. Fairy Tail [2,271,497]

7. Bakuman [1,986,502]

8. Kuroko’s Basketball [1,969,727]

9. Shingeki no Kyojin [1,725,725]

10. Bokura ga Ita [1,715,410]

So you can have all the personal feelings you want, not saying I really disagree with much of what you said either. But the only thing that matters is tank sales, and if those continue to decrease, it doesn't matter that Bleach has been running for X many years. It doesn't matter if he's friends with the editorial staff. It doesn't matter what any of our personal feelings on Bleach are, he's not going to do whatever he wants at his leisure. Business is business.

 

[chikkychappy]

If you hear info about the hxh movie pls post immediately. Details shouldbe released in this week's jump

 

[Maxy Barnard]

As fun as this whole debate is, when statistics are on one side then you're pretty much boned. Jump is first and foremost about business, whether it's in favour of dragging series out long past the planned end point or hitting things on the head early because of a downward spiral and heavily declining sales. It'll play like it plays, and unless they're Togashi their own say in it is personal speculation or desire more than fact. So 5 years, 1 year? It's as likely as ever that Bleach'll end when Shueisha is done with it and not a moment before or after. See also: Reborn, Koisome Momiji, Kurogane or whatever the latest thing is we're making our own dang death-clocks for.

On that whole cushion thing, if there's enough series Shueisha can serialise, they won't hesitate to cancel those cushioned less popular series, whether longer-running, more popular series are ending at the same time or not. In the business of business and such.

Ramble ramble ramble, yeah you can tell I don't post here often anymore. Making sense or paying attention to what may or may not have already been said isn't on the agenda.

On a more interesting side-note it's super pleasing to see that Kuroko's Basketball is selling so strong, sports series totally being my jam in jump.

 

[Zeromcd]

Jump Issue #34 Bottom 5
Gintama
Kochikame
Medaka Box
Kurogane
Pajama na Kanojo

Jump Issue #35 Information
Lead CP/Cover: Naruto
Center Colour: PSI Kusuo Saiki, Kochikame, Goblin Night (Golden Future Cup Entree #1)

Jump Issue #36/37 Information
Center Colour: Cupid of Love Yakeno Harachiri (Golden Future Cup Entree #2)

Jump Issue #39 Information
Center Colour: After School ☆ Idol (Golden Future Cup Entree #3)

Jump Issue #40 Information
Center Colour: INPWEAR CODE (Golden Future Cup Entree #4)

 

[Kubukurin]

Wait, shouldn't it be issue 35-36?
And the GFC started later this year..

 

[K H Reborn]

Im kinda surprised !! neither bleach or reborn are in bottom 5.

 

[redon]

Wait, shouldn't it be issue 35-36?
And the GFC started later this year..

No, double-issue is #36-37.

- Weekly Shonen Jump #34/2012 (23th July)
- Weekly Shonen Jump #35/2012 (30th July)
- Weekly Shonen Jump #36-37/2012 (6th August)

 

[BianchiChrome]

Hello!

I am glad that Bleach and Reborn! are not in the bottom 5. I hope that they will start to get better rankings especially Reborn! because I believe the current arc is about to go into fighting mode now. I think that I am also going to start to pull for Bleach which I am sure has a lot of potential.

 

[calimike]

I'm glad Bleach isn't in bottom 5. Where is WSJ #38?

 

[Asgaroth]

Jump Issue #34 Bottom 5
Gintama
Kochikame
Medaka Box
Kurogane
Pajama na Kanojo

gintama, huh? thats really unsuspected...

 

[Jaiden82]

(In my George Takei voice) HELLO!

WOW, Gintama is in the bottom 5, that was unexpected. Am so happy that Bleach and Reborn aren't there this week.

 

[Doraku]

gintama, huh? thats really unsuspected...

It isn't really that unexpected. 400th chapter was a bit let down after an amazing arc.

Hey, finally Reborn and Bleach escape the bottom 5. Too bad Medaka stays in the bottom.

 

[calimike]

Medaka Box is stay in bottom 5 for two weeks. Zeromcd mention Medaka Box get a new manager after previous manager is out. Author probably isn't happy about being drop to bottom 5 or something?

 

[Zeromcd]

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Jump Issue #34 TOC
ROAD TO NARUTO THE MOVIE (Cover, Lead CP, 33pg.)
Toriko
Kuroko no Basket
Nisekoi
Beelzebub (Center Colour)
Naruto
Haikyuu!!
Koisome Momiji (Center Colour)
Assassination Classroom
Sket Dance
Takamagahara
PSI Kusuo Saiki
Bleach
Reborn!
Sensei no Bulge (Center Colour)
Gintama
Kochikame
Medaka Box
Kurogane
Pajama na Kanojo

Absent: One Piece

Jump Issue #35 Information
Lead CP/Cover: Naruto
Center Colour: PSI Kusuo Saiki, Kochikame, Goblin Night (Golden Future Cup Entree #1)
+ Special Yu-Gi-Oh Card!

Jump Issue #36/37 Information
Center Colour: Cupid of Love Yakeno Harachiri (Golden Future Cup Entree #2)

Jump Issue #38 Information
Center Colour: After School ☆ Idol (Golden Future Cup Entree #3)

Jump Issue #39 Information
Center Colour: INPWEAR CODE (Golden Future Cup Entree #4)

 

[Pirulito]

Here I'm thinking if one of these series in GFC is from Shinohara Kenta's assistant

 

[Nii]

I'm impressed about Kuroko's ranking O___o since the anime started it's doing exceptionally well and I can't help but be a bit happy. It's nothing great but I enjoyed catching up to the current chapter, it's a fun and entertaining read.

Happy with Nisekoi still doing so well! Kurogane and Pajama are most likely goners at this point :/