Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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My guess:
Bleach
Kochikame
Medaka Box
Reborn
Kurogane
 

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Here is hoping Bleach and Reborn are those question marks. Neither will be canceled soon, both could act as cushion for a middling new series. Better Bleach and Reborn than Momiji or Bulge. No harm in letting Bleach cushion promising new series after Kubo has already announced this is the last arc.

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My guess:
Bleach
Kochikame
Medaka Box
Reborn
Kurogane
What about Pajama? It's always in the bottom five.
 

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How are they cushions if they are not canceled ?

The last 2 are probably pajama and kurogane, bottom 5 is not really surprising at the moment
 

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Their presence is still a buffer, reducing the number of new series in the bottom five. With two series ranked low enough to be canceled, it is less likely that the editors will reach outside of the bottom five next time they cancel new series.
 

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Their presence is still a buffer, reducing the number of new series in the bottom five. With two series ranked low enough to be canceled, it is less likely that the editors will reach outside of the bottom five next time they cancel new series.
i guess 2 "new" series are enough of a cushion at the end of the toc. bleach and reborn in the top of the bottom five aren't that meaningful. i would guess that not that many would change if 5-6 new series would be right after each other in the bottom. they probably wouldn't axe all of them at a time, more likely axe 2-3 each meeting instead of one go. so it isn't importent if there are more new series in the bottom. besides after some volumens they most thing that matters are sells, aren't they?

What about Pajama? It's always in the bottom five.
just wishful thinking... i hate it if the mangaka doesn't have enough time to end their work somehow properly like magico's one.
 

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Kurogane and Pajama are indeed the most at risk. Maybe Medaka Box will end soon, but is rather unpredictable what will make Nisio Ishin. Anyway, neither Bleach or Reborn! will be canceled. Moreover, Bulge reminds me Kagijin, unfortunately I do not think it has a future.
 

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There’s no way that BLEACH will be canceled with sales like this .On the other hand Reborn is ending soon but right now pajama and kurogane are the best candidates to get canceled .
 

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We already know that Bleach is nearing the end, Kubo said this is the final arc. Since Aizen's defeat both sales and rankings have declined. There is no reason to believe Bleach is safe if Kubo decides to stretch this arc out too long. He probably has a nice window to finish the story at his own pace, but not as long as he wants. Bleach is obviously a title in decline, if he takes to long there is a good chance it meets the same fate as Shaman King. Bleach is not Kochikame, a magazine defining classic afforded special treatment. Nor is it Naruto, a series nearing it's end, but still at the peak of it's popularity.
 
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... Shaman King...
how many did it sold at its peak and in its decline that it get deserved to be axed? i heard it had a really bad ending and also a second chance to redo it's ending which sounds like pure madness. i mean why giving it a redo of the end if it sold not well enough to grantees a satisfying ending? was the mangaka ill at that time oder something like that?
 

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We already know that Bleach is nearing the end, Kubo said this is the final arc. Since Aizen's defeat both sales and rankings have declined. There is no reason to believe Bleach is safe if Kubo decides to stretch this arc out too long. He probably has a nice window to finish the story at his own pace, but not as long as he wants. Bleach is obviously a title in decline, if he takes to long there is a good chance it meets the same fate as Shaman King. Bleach is not Kochikame, a magazine defining classic afforded special treatment. Nor is it Naruto, a series nearing it's end, but still at the peak of it's popularity.
If it sells millions then I'm sure Shueisha is more than happy if Kubo keeps drawing.

As for the TOC, I hope Bleach isn't at the bottom for once. The arc has been great and its rank should reflect that. I don't think any manga should act as a buffer for another manga's rank.

If the manga is good then it will rank accordingly. Look at Toriko, one of top even though its only a few years old. I feel bad for Kurogane though as it is likely to be canceled even though I like it personally.
 

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Even if it sells good, it does not change the fact that Bleach should end sooner than later. Bleach has more than 10 years now which is crazy long. Kubo did not manage to keep the interest like One Piece or Naruto did and the readers are tired even if the last arc is good it will poll bad anyway just because they just want it to end. So honestly, it would be an error to drag it.
 

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Even if it sells good, it does not change the fact that Bleach should end sooner than later. Bleach has more than 10 years now which is crazy long. Kubo did not manage to keep the interest like One Piece or Naruto did and the readers are tired even if the last arc is good it will poll bad anyway just because they just want it to end. So honestly, it would be an error to drag it.
By that 10 years logic, Naruto and One Piece should be ending too. Naruto is likely to end soon but One Piece isn't. As for the interest part, I would have to strongly disagree. Still plenty more I want explained before I'm satisfied enough to want Bleach to reach its end.
 

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If it sells millions then I'm sure Shueisha is more than happy if Kubo keeps drawing.

As for the TOC, I hope Bleach isn't at the bottom for once. The arc has been great and its rank should reflect that. I don't think any manga should act as a buffer for another manga's rank.

If the manga is good then it will rank accordingly. Look at Toriko, one of top even though its only a few years old. I feel bad for Kurogane though as it is likely to be canceled even though I like it personally.
Just because it sells "millions" (it does not) now, what makes you think it will continue selling "millions" for years to come? All businesses, no matter what service they provide, make sales projections. Based on sales trends, they project long and short term sales estimates. If long term trends indicate declining sales, coupled with declining customer feedback, then projections will indicate waning popularity. Bleach's sales are down about 30% since Aizen was defeated. In the same time Bleach went from a regular in the top five to a regular in the bottom five. Both would indicate a strong decline in popularity. It should be obvious, but Jump does not tolerate any series spending to many weeks in the bottom five. Obviously a series as old as Bleach will be given more time than Pajama or Kurogane. But there is little chance Kubo can continue Bleach indefinitely. This arc will be the last, as promised, and it will end in a reasonable amount of time. This arc will not last as long as the Arrancar arc. Nor will Kubo be given as much time as Kishi has had to complete Naruto, a much more popular manga.
 

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Nor will Kubo be given as much time as Kishi has had to complete Naruto, a much more popular manga.
I don't think that they give Kishi time to complete it, more likely they pressure him to drag it on as long as he is willingly to do it like Toriyama. I also believe that they won't force Kubo down on a year or two as long as he holds this level of popularity, but i guess he needs to finish this arc faster than the arrancar one. who knows what happens after naruto ends. it would be a really "bad year" after bakuman and nura in terms of powerhorses to loose bleach and naruto in the next two years. nisekoi and the others are great, but got any shounen romance one high sells like 500k-1mio?
 

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Just because it sells "millions" (it does not) now, what makes you think it will continue selling "millions" for years to come? All businesses, no matter what service they provide, make sales projections. Based on sales trends, they project long and short term sales estimates. If long term trends indicate declining sales, coupled with declining customer feedback, then projections will indicate waning popularity. Bleach's sales are down about 30% since Aizen was defeated. In the same time Bleach went from a regular in the top five to a regular in the bottom five. Both would indicate a strong decline in popularity. It should be obvious, but Jump does not tolerate any series spending to many weeks in the bottom five. Obviously a series as old as Bleach will be given more time than Pajama or Kurogane. But there is little chance Kubo can continue Bleach indefinitely. This arc will be the last, as promised, and it will end in a reasonable amount of time. This arc will not last as long as the Arrancar arc. Nor will Kubo be given as much time as Kishi has had to complete Naruto, a much more popular manga.
I never thought that it will continue to sell millions which is why I bolded the "if" part. Yes Bleach does sell millions of copies, not per volume but at the of the year, the 3/4 volumes released add over 4 million copies sold to Shueisha's total manga sold. Still in the top 10 even though a bit at the bottom half.

I disagree that the last arc can't be as long as the Arrancar arc. Sure they might cut Kubo off but better that then to get a halfassed ending imo. It also depends on what a person's reasonable amount of time amounts to. I say 5/6 years personally including this year. 220+ chapters is plenty to finish up.

Like I said before, if a manga is popular then Shueisha probably does not want it to end. Now we can argue about popularity and decline all we want until next year but numbers don't lie. Bleach sells good. Not as much as before of course but still in the millions. Better than most mangas and higher on the end of the year list if opposing magazine mangas are taken out such as Fairy Tail.

Kishi will be allowed more "time" is more akin to take your sweet time and try ending super late so that our 2013 manga sales are high as possible, maybe even buff the beginning of 2014 sales.
 

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This arc will not last as long as the Arrancar arc. Nor will Kubo be given as much time as Kishi has had to complete Naruto, a much more popular manga.
I think Kubo's estimate was around 5 long years. He should at least try going up again.
 

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Considering how often Bleach is in the bottom five, five years seems like wishful thinking.
 

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My solution: more panels, more plot per chapter instead of the stretching, less cliffhangers, less half/fullpages for explosions => success! :D The way he is setting up the characters to lose isn't gonna make it any easier for the voters.


Edit: Maybe crimsonlink310 means millions in gathered[multiple tank] sales, not per volume.
 
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